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    Russia-EU relationship

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:24 pm

    LMAO what pathetic non-sense, Khadorkovsky has a 'legal' right to the money he 'illegally' stole from Russia lolol, Russia should refuse to pay and exit this idiotic European Kangaroo Court system, I can't think of one time the European Court actually ruled in favor of Russia, they've always ruled against Russia in every case:

    ‘Mega-arbitration’: Court orders Russia to pay $50bn in Yukos case

    The International Arbitration Court in the Netherlands has ended a decade long case brought by shareholders in the defunct Yukos oil company, and ordered Russia to pay about $50 billion in damages.

    The official ruling published on Monday said Russia violated the EU Energy Charter when it redistributed the company’s assets and “took steps equivalent to expropriation of the claimants’ investment in Yukos.”

    The Hague’s Permanent Court of Arbitration ordered Russia to compensate the plaintiffs with $50 billion – less than half the initial $114 billion demanded by the former shareholders. Russia has also been ordered to pay about $65 billion in legal costs.

    “This is the biggest arbitration award in history,” as ITAR-TASS quotes Emmanuel Gilyard, a lawyer at the Shearman Sterling bureau, who underlined that the case became a ‘mega-arbitration’.

    The claim was lodged by Gibraltar-based Group Menatep Limited (GML) - the company used by Russia’s once richest man Mikhail Khodorkovsky to manage Yukos.

    Russia has until January 2015 to pay the compensation; otherwise it will start being charged interest. It is expected Russia will appeal the decision in the Netherlands.

    "I am delighted to confirm that those final awards, which were unanimous, are very favorable to the claimants," Tim Osborne, director of the GML group of shareholders which brought the action, told Reuters.

    Former Yukos shareholders said on Monday they had not ruled out the possibility of a lawsuit against Rosneft and its shareholders, including BP, for their role in the redistribution of Yukos’ assets. Osborne had previously said that if the Russian state refuses to pay the compensation, then the shareholders could file a lawsuit against BP as a Rosneft shareholder.

    “There is no reason to think Russia will not fulfill its international obligations. But if this were to happen, the New York Convention, which obligates 150 signature states to work together to ensure the arbitration ruling is upheld – would come in effect,” said Osborne

    Rosneft released a statement on Monday following the ruling, saying that it does not consider itself liable in the Yukos case as it acted in accordance with Russian law in its acquisition of the company’s assets.

    “Rosneft does not bear any responsibility in the published ruling,” said the statement. “Rosneft believes that its acquisition of Yukos’ assets was conducted in accordance with the applicable laws.”

    In 2003 Russian authorities accused the management of the country’s largest oil company at the time of corruption. A number of senior figures in the company were subsequently found guilty of fraud and tax evasion and were sentenced to jail.

    As a result, Yukos went bankrupt and its assets were absorbed by the state oil company Rosneft. Soon after the bankruptcy the company’s shareholders applied to The Hague International Arbitration Court, claiming $100 billion in compensation.

    As part of the case, three separate lawsuits by former Yukos shareholders were filed by Hulley Enterprises Limited (Cyprus), Yukos Universal Limited (Isle of Man) and Veteran Petroleum Limited (Cyprus).

    The court ruled that $39.97 billion of the compensation should go to Hulley Enterprises, $1.85 billion to Yukos Universal and $8.2 billion for Veteran Petroleum Limited. The Veteran Petroleum fund acts in the interest of former Yukos employees and should receive another $8.2 billion.


    http://rt.com/business/176064-yukos-russia-50bn-damages/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:32 pm

    Jail him again and declare European Court to what it is a politicial driven court by US/EU politics and have nothing to do with a real court.

    After that i would put sanctions on EU and especially dutch, since the court is there and like it seams they are the one trying to make this as kind of sanction on russia after russia has proven Ukraine (US) downed the MH17.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:00 pm

    There are workarounds to this of course but this is hugely frustrating in any case. I think Europeans lost their minds.
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:16 pm

    Russia is still fighting this case. But I agree, just state that because it was not done through a Russian court but was done through a western court all at the same time these political moves from US and EU are happening, they can claim it is being politically motivated and not pay. What will court do? No point losing $50B cause of some sort of bad business with a Russian oligarch. Why not go after him for the $50B? Cause it is a sanctioned Rosneft.

    Actually, yes, because Rosneft is sanctioned through the western banks, say they cant pay it due to the bank sanctions on them and they operate with a sanctioned bank.

    Too bad for the losers. You get what you deserve with bad investments. In US, you lose your shirt and cant sue. When it is towards Russia, you can sue them for anything.

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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  Strizh on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:17 pm

    Russia won't pay anything this is just the part of economy warfare against Russia. And if anything should be seized in foreign countries Russia should seize the same amount in Russia and that's it.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  mack8 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:30 pm

    If this wasn't posted in july i would have thought it's an April 1st joke. 50 billion compensation AND 65 BILLION in legal fees!? I hope the russians tell them to go *** themselves! Obviously, it's clear this whole charade is orchestrated from Washington, the dutch are unfortunately a small country totally under the US yoke.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:17 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Russia is still fighting this case. But I agree, just state that because it was not done through a Russian court but was done through a western court all at the same time these political moves from US and EU are happening, they can claim it is being politically motivated and not pay. What will court do? No point losing $50B cause of some sort of bad business with a Russian oligarch. Why not go after him for the $50B? Cause it is a sanctioned Rosneft.

    Actually, yes, because Rosneft is sanctioned through the western banks, say they cant pay it due to the bank sanctions on them and they operate with a sanctioned bank.

    Too bad for the losers. You get what you deserve with bad investments. In US, you lose your shirt and cant sue. When it is towards Russia, you can sue them for anything.

    Looks like Moscow is challenging the ruling and our out-right refusing to pay, and they're calling a spade-a-spade, a ruling that was highly politicized right around the time Alexander Litvinenko case (Alexander's father believes he was an agent of MI6 and was liquidated by them to make him look like a martyr) is being brought up right out of the clear blue sky, its so damn obvious it's sickening:

    Hague court had no authority in Yukos case, ruling politicized – Moscow



    The Hague’s arbitration court was not legally empowered to view the case of Yukos Oil Company v. Russia, and the court’s “one-sided” ruling disregards previous Strasbourg court decisions on the issue, the Russian Finance Ministry said in a statement.

    READ MORE: 'Mega-arbitration’: Court orders Russia to pay $50bn in Yukos case

    Viewing the case, filed by shareholders of former Russian oil giant Yukos against the Russian government, was not in the jurisdiction of the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in the Hague, as Russia has not ratified the Energy Charter Treaty, the ministry said on Monday.

    The statement, following the court’s sensational Monday ruling that ordered Russia to pay $50 billion in damages, also provided a detailed list of issues, which, according to the ministry, make the decision “opportunistic” and “politically biased.”

    First of all, The Hague court ignored the previous decisions of the Strasbourg-based European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), which in September 2011 ruled that the Russian authorities had carried out “legitimate” and not politically motivated actions against Yukos “to counter the company’s tax evasion,” the ministry noted. The ruling contradicted Yukos shareholders’ claims that the company’s assets were purposefully expropriated by Moscow.

    The Russian Finance Ministry meanwhile blasted the arbitration ruling as based on “one-sided investigation with one-sided application of evidence.”

    The Hague court in effect reviewed the decisions of Russian courts on Yukos “as if the arbitration court was an additional authority for appealing the court orders,” the ministry said. It has made “theoretical speculations not supported by evidence” over the motivation of the Russian authorities’ actions in the case of Yukos, it added.

    The international body failed to note that the people who controlled Yukos, including the oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky released from jail in December, were apparently aware of financial machinations aimed at a mass-scale tax evasion in favor of the company, the ministry stressed. The tax evasion scheme, which involved the creation of numerous bogus companies, was not properly considered in the court.



    The arbitration court went as far as to judge “what Russian tax legislation should be like” as opposed to what it required in reality, the ministry said. The court refused to pass several controversial issues on taxes for review by Russian, UK or Cyprus competent authorities despite relying on the Energy Charter Treaty that outlines a need for such reviews, it added.

    While in effect saying The Hague court decision was not legally binging for Moscow, the ministry added that “the Russian Federation will challenge the arbitration court’s decisions in the courts of the Netherlands.”

    According to the ministry, “the arbitration court failed to approach the adjudication with common sense, which is required from the judges in such situations,” which resulted in an unobjective and biased decision.

    “Such an approach undermines the authority of the Arbitration court and the Energy Charter Treaty, which are being applied in increasingly politicized manner and, as in this case, have become the objects of abuse on behalf of domestic investors trying to evade taxes,” the ministry said.

    ECHR is expected to announce a fresh decision on Yukos’ multi-billion dollar claim against Russia on Thursday, as the defunct company’s shareholders have filed a separate application with the Strasbourg court, Reuters reported.

    http://rt.com/business/176200-moscow-hague-yukos-ruling/utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Hahahaha Kha-DORK can go f*ck himself, he isn't getting sh*t and can go eat a d*ck lol!
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:33 pm

    Mikhail Khodorkovsky could have been now the richest person in the world but he couldn't escape his fate and his Jewish nature made the worst of him.
    He started as a businessman and he was a really good one but couldn't resist the sirens of his fellow jews. He grew anti-russian, then pro-american and instead of staying strictly
    on the business game he started a dirty geopolitical Trojan game to size energy sources under the nose of the Russian people in the hope to orchestrate a similar propaganda machine
    with the one established in Ukraine. Too bad for them Vlad the Great came out of the blue just on time!  russia
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:13 pm

    His Jewish-nature eh?

    I guess your Greek nature is what led Greece to its current predicament.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:05 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I never said coal was clean.

    It is, however an energy source and there is rather more coal than oil around the place.

    Burning coal will change the climate... you might not have noticed but Russia is a cold country so climate change might not be so bad for them...
    This comment  shows your simplistic selfish ignorant view of climate change and its effects of different people around the globe and omnipresent consequences. Not to mention your shitty taste.  There's more to valueing a climate's beauty than a place to sit in a tropical beach snorting coke surrounded by hookers.



    And I can't believe you of all people hold this thinking.




    There are places in Japan where people wear face masks because the air pollution is so bad. There are plenty of places throughout asia that are the same or worse.

    Is there any place in Siberia where a face mask is needed to breath?[/qoute]
    Just because people are too ignorant to wear them doesn't meen the air is shit there. Take NovoKuznetsk for example. Its internationally rated as one of the most toxic inhabited cities in the world. The rate of birth defects is thousnds of times higher than normal there.
    And of course 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because some other country has shit enviroment and does nothing about it doesn't mean russia shouldn't too.




    Hahaha.... the western world has polluted the world, and actually does worse than pollute the air with a little CO2... they spread consumerism.
    As I said, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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    LMAO what pathetic non-sense, Khadorkovsky

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:47 am

    This comment shows your simplistic selfish ignorant view of climate change and its effects of different people around the globe and omnipresent consequences.

    Hey sunshine, it wasn't New Zealand that produced all that CO-2 pollution that is causing climate change and if we suddenly stop burning coal that wont make any difference either.

    It is part of the historic record that the climate does change dramatically over the geological period and that right now according to very long term geological records that the climate right now should be just going into a new ice age when in actual fact it is warmer than it has been for some time. The changes are clearly already made.

    Burning coal might be a great way to prevent the next ice age BTW.

    The real problem is that the west has had its industrial revolution and built its big dirty machines and made its money and now Africa and Asia are in the process of doing the same.

    it is hilarious when greenies like Sting tell Brazil off for turning the rain forests into farms or just selling the wood... when this is the sort of thing the west has been doing for centuries.

    There's more to valueing a climate's beauty than a place to sit in a tropical beach snorting coke surrounded by hookers.

    Increased temperatures will further enhance the climates beauty... Hurricanes will get stronger with higher temperatures feeding more energy. Floods will become greater and more regular and deserts will grow at a faster rate.

    I live in a place called Dunedin... there are no tropical beaches any where near here.

    And I can't believe you of all people hold this thinking.

    It is capitalism for you. A few years ago when electricity generation in New Zealand was government run they had hydro lakes for very green production, but they also had coal fired power stations for times of low rain fall. Obviously as long as there was lots of water in the lakes they would keep the coal stations off. Now it is all privatised so the coal fired stations run all the time... a powerstation that doesn't generate power does not generate money.

    that is progress you see.

    I do find it hilarious that you suggest I am selfish... isn't that the real message America preaches... no friends... just interests.

    Just because people are too ignorant to wear them doesn't meen the air is shit there. Take NovoKuznetsk for example. Its internationally rated as one of the most toxic inhabited cities in the world. The rate of birth defects is thousnds of times higher than normal there.

    We are talking about coal... which means air pollution. It is not a question of intelligence to wear a pad over your mouth so you CAN breathe. Coal burning to generate electricity doesn't create birth defects.

    And of course 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because some other country has shit enviroment and does nothing about it doesn't mean russia shouldn't too.

    You are missing the point. Air pollution is not an issue in Siberia. Burning coal to generate electricity and warmth saves lives and makes living bearable and does not contribute to birth defects. Why not use an abundant energy resource just because in some places finding breathable clean air is a problem?

    As I said, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

    Telling people they can't burn coal to heat their homes and to generate electricity will need more than just a moral warning. Telling them the temperature will rise and some foreign countries will have some problems because they are too close to sea level likely wont sway them either.. they will take warmth and electricity over morality any day.

    Remember these Siberians are some of the people who eat meat and don't recycle with blue and red plastic bins. They have real recycling... they make their clothes from the animals and plants around them.
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    Russia's cooperation and insterests in Europe

    Post  AbsoluteZero on Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:50 am


    Budapest (AFP) - Thousands of Hungarians protested Friday at what they see as the country's move towards Russia in the latest demonstration against the government of controversial Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

    The crowd, estimated to be over 5,000 by an AFP photographer, brandished placards condemning Orban, whose support suffered a plunge in polls at the end of 2014 despite securing three election wins earlier in the year.

    The demonstrators, who gathered in front of the Budapest opera house, voiced concern over what they see as Hungary drifting away from the West to forge closer ties with its former Communist ruler.

    "It is disturbing to see that the Orban government is exposing Hungary to Russian influence," Robert Gombkoto, a 61-year-old manager, told AFP, citing a 10 billion euro ($12 billion) loan from Russia to Hungary to expanding a nuclear plant.

    http://news.yahoo.com/hungarian-protesters-hit-orbans-move-towards-russia-201353130.html

    It seems America is on the offensive on all fronts! this is an all out campaign to diminish Russia's cooperation and insterests in Europe. Russia really needs to start fixing things up in its economy and hit back at America where it hurts the most
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:42 pm

    This was called out month or two ago about how west would stage protests in Hungary.  Seems that this ended up as correct.

    Wonder if the other nations will wake up to this. 5K people in a country of almost 10M is a joke. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:00 pm

    sepheronx wrote:This was called out month or two ago about how west would stage protests in Hungary.  Seems that this ended up as correct.

    Wonder if the other nations will wake up to this.  5K people in a country of almost 10M is a joke.  These people should be ashamed of themselves.

    Yes, I was the one who pointed this out. John McCain wants to destroy Viktor Orban because he's friendly to Putin and Russia. Similarly the left-wing govt. in the Czech Republic is 'Russia-friendly' too, so they might be on the 'hit-list' soon enough.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:08 pm

    5K people though, that is a small number of protesters. Only one smaller than this was the Navalny protests recently where only 1500 people showed up.

    I know that the rest of the Hungarians wont do squat cause they are lazy EU people, but at least they can try to call out these protesters for what they are: foreign working agents.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:14 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:This was called out month or two ago about how west would stage protests in Hungary.  Seems that this ended up as correct.

    Wonder if the other nations will wake up to this.  5K people in a country of almost 10M is a joke.  These people should be ashamed of themselves.

    Yes, I was the one who pointed this out. John McCain wants to destroy Viktor Orban because he's friendly to Putin and Russia. Similarly the left-wing govt. in the Czech Republic is 'Russia-friendly' too, so they might be on the 'hit-list' soon enough.

    Leftists are the most precious American allies, nothing will happen to Czechs.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:46 am

    Prague Interested in Deeper Ties With Moscow, Obliged to Follow EU Rules

    Head of the communication department of the Czech Union of Industry and Transport stated that Czech Republic is interested in bolstering economic cooperation with Russia, but recognizes that it must adhere to European Union anti-Russia sanctions.

    MOSCOW, January 30 (Sputnik) – The Czech Republic is interested in bolstering economic cooperation with Russia, but recognizes that it must adhere to European Union anti-Russia sanctions, the head of the communication department of the Czech Union of Industry and Transport told Sputnik Radio.

    "Strengthening of cooperation with Russia corresponds directly to the interests of Czech Republic. But we are part of the European Union, and have to obey common solutions to a certain extent," Milan Mostyn told Sputnik Radio.

    Mostyn added that most Czech businesses and a large part of the community are against sanctions, considering them inappropriate pressure on Russia.

    Outside of the European Union, the Russian market is the most important for Prague, Mostyn stated, branding it "top-market" for the country's exporters.

    According to Mostyn, many Czech enterprises in the Russian market do not want to stop working with the country. "They don't want to leave even in spite of the extremely negative financial situation in Russia, difficulties related to the anti-Russia sanctions," Mostyn said, adding that many want to increase cooperation.

    On Thursday, European Union foreign ministers decided to keep sanctions against Russian individuals and entities in place until September.

    Since March 2014, the Unites States, the European Union and a number of other countries have imposed several rounds of sanctions against Russia, accusing the country of interfering in the Ukrainian conflict, a claim Moscow has repeatedly denied.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150130/1017556674.html#ixzz3QO2ny5VN
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    Russia-EU relationship

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:15 am

    Didn't see a topic about this so I create one...

    Anyway, well, EU publicly slapped the face of the White House. Recently, the White House has been slapped many times, both by Russia and by their allies in Europe and Middle East...

    https://www.rt.com/news/318074-eu-russia-relations-improve-juncker/

    Europe must treat Russia with more decency, improve the relationship, and not let EU policies be dictated by Washington, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said in a surprise speech in Germany.

    It is now critical for the EU to work on its relations with Russia, Juncker said in the southern German town of Passau: “We must make efforts towards a practical relationship with Russia. It is not sexy but that must be the case, we can’t go on like this.”

    Moreover, the US needs to keep its influence out of EU relations with other countries, Juncker added.

    “Russia must be treated decently … We can’t let our relationship with Russia be dictated by Washington.”

    EU-Russia relations have deteriorated since the EU imposed sanctions on Russia for its alleged role in the Ukrainian conflict. The Russian government has unswervingly denied these allegations.
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:50 pm

    Juncker Expected to Receive EU-EEU Cooperation Proposal Within Days

    Earlier in the day, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Meshkov said the EEU executive cabinet would submit a proposal on EU-EEU cooperation to the European Union soon.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — A completed paper on cooperation between the European Union and the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) will soon be submitted to European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, Russian Presidential Aide Yuri Ushakov said Monday.

    "A position paper on cooperation of the Eurasian Economic Union with the European Union is ready. This paper will be transferred by Belarus' EU permanent representative to European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker within few days," Ushakov told journalists.

    The Eurasian Economic Union is a Russia-initiated integration association, streamlining the flow of goods and services between member countries, including Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

    Serbia Must Turn Toward EEU, Drop 'Second-Class' EU Membership Bid
    Russia has repeatedly called on its European partners to initiate EU-EEU integration.

    In May, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov expressed hope that EU institutions would work on the establishment of direct working contacts with EEU executive structures.

    The northern Italian city of Verona will host a October 23-24 IV Eurasian Forum to promote economic ties and integration between EU and EEU representatives amid anti-Russia sanctions.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151012/1028422923/juncker-eeu-eu-cooperation.html#ixzz3oRotK6y8

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    France Sets Up Research Body to Study Russian Military Political Strategy

    Post  par far on Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:28 pm

    I am pretty sure that Russia has similar research bodies but could be the motive behind this?




    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160108/1032836805/france-research-center-russia.html


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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:34 pm

    par far wrote:I am pretty sure that Russia has similar research bodies but could be the motive behind this?




    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160108/1032836805/france-research-center-russia.html



    Nothing else then trying to proof to their imbecile society to give them a sign, we need it because Putin is so evil and he comes to kill us.

    Perpetuum Propaganda that is.

    We have a research center only for Russias military and strategy, that means they are evil and trying to invade and annex us, they have such ambitions that is why we need it.

    Same for everything, the budgets and russophobic propaganda will explode in 2016 to counter russias popularity against USrael's ISIS,FSA,Al-CIAda, Taliban, Chechens proxies.

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    Post  par far on Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:47 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:I am pretty sure that Russia has similar research bodies but could be the motive behind this?




    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160108/1032836805/france-research-center-russia.html



    Nothing else then trying to proof to their imbecile society to give them a sign, we need it because Putin is so evil and he comes to kill us.

    Perpetuum Propaganda that is.

    We have a research center only for Russias military and strategy, that means they are evil and trying to invade and annex us, they have such ambitions that is why we need it.

    Same for everything, the budgets and russophobic propaganda will explode in 2016 to counter russias popularity against USrael's ISIS,FSA,Al-CIAda, Taliban, Chechens proxies.

    How do you counter this.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:00 am

    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:I am pretty sure that Russia has similar research bodies but could be the motive behind this?




    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160108/1032836805/france-research-center-russia.html



    Nothing else then trying to proof to their imbecile society to give them a sign, we need it because Putin is so evil and he comes to kill us.

    Perpetuum Propaganda that is.

    We have a research center only for Russias military and strategy, that means they are evil and trying to invade and annex us, they have such ambitions that is why we need it.

    Same for everything, the budgets and russophobic propaganda will explode in 2016 to counter russias popularity against USrael's ISIS,FSA,Al-CIAda, Taliban, Chechens proxies.

    How do you counter this.

    Banning their market, letting them financially die.

    Resources are what counts that is why they are russophobic to the core, russians have all resources this planet has to offer concentrated. Prise every export of those metals twice for every pro-NWO country and make money, drain their income, they can not live without those resources absolutley impossible.

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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  par far on Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:04 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:I am pretty sure that Russia has similar research bodies but could be the motive behind this?




    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160108/1032836805/france-research-center-russia.html



    Nothing else then trying to proof to their imbecile society to give them a sign, we need it because Putin is so evil and he comes to kill us.

    Perpetuum Propaganda that is.

    We have a research center only for Russias military and strategy, that means they are evil and trying to invade and annex us, they have such ambitions that is why we need it.

    Same for everything, the budgets and russophobic propaganda will explode in 2016 to counter russias popularity against USrael's ISIS,FSA,Al-CIAda, Taliban, Chechens proxies.

    How do you counter this.

    Banning their market, letting them financially die.

    Resources are what counts that is why they are russophobic to the core, russians have all resources this planet has to offer concentrated. Prise every export of those metals twice for every pro-NWO country and make money, drain their income, they can not live without those resources absolutley impossible.

    The bug qusetion is, does the Russian government have the guts and the stomach to do this?
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    Re: Russia-EU relationship

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:27 am

    I am affraid not.

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