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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:43 am

    My opinion his that every nation has right to self determination

    It is bedrock of modern European continent

    Whatever others decide for themselves has my full approval

    Just as I expect others to fully approve decisions​ we here make for ourselves

    Besides, Europe is relic of the past, like that chick that was popular in highschool but now she is used up and past her prime and yet still tries to live off the old glory and is convinced that she is still not (she's not)

    There is always something hotter around the corner

    Europe is stripmined and overpopulated, time to adjust real estate price accordingly

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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  par far on Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:46 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:The terrible things going on in Europe is insane, it's like everyone has gone mad, we have Germany cheering of how there going to ethnically cleanse.... "themselves"!!!



    The UK and Sweden are taking away children of parents who don't have the "proper" political views, just WOW!!
    In the UK people who quote Winston Churchill in the streets of London are being sent to the gulag (i mean prison), just WTF!!!





    Guys give me your honest opinion, especially those of you who live in/near Europe.


    Most of it is on Europeans themselves, they need to get their head out of their asses and start doing, what made Europe great, Family, Christianity, Values, Morals, going to Church and stopping their countries from becoming shit holes. And as for Islam, it is not just a threat to Europe but to all of the World, the Zionists are doing this to Europe.
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:48 pm

    The Bundeswehr considered scenarios for the European Union until 2040

    As Jana Rogestvenskaya writes in the material "The Bundeswehr for the Disintegration of the EU is Ready," published by the newspaper Kommersant, the German army analyzed six possible scenarios for the development of the EU by 2040. The secret report fell into the hands of the weekly Der Spiegel, which published excerpts from it. The most pessimistic scenario envisages the disintegration of the European Union because of aggression or the consequences of Brexit.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2936243.html
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:30 am

    It's not Christianity, it's renaissance values that "made Europe great". Christianity threw Europe into the Dark Ages, which were a
    theocratic toilet much like a lot of the Middle East is today.

    Europe needs to get rid of its yoke of cultural Marxism which comes in the form political correctness and infiltration of the intelligentsia
    with scumbags such as that quoted above.
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:56 am

    Hahaha... the church did everything it could to prevent democracy... it was a rival to the power of the church.
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:29 am

    Interesting look into the situation in Romania.  Neutral
    How low such a large country has fallen. No
    The way there very constitution is written basically makes them a vassal state, just wow.  Shocked



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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  nomadski on Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:34 pm

    @Alfa

    The union of European states gives them too much power . NATO gave too much power . Now EU army does the same . What is wrong with this ? Well just think of recent NATO misadventures in the middle east . Millions affected . And an aggressive stance against Russia . Expanding eastward . All made possible by too much power .

    So we should not be shy by stating publicly that we want to weaken or break up EU . The EU nations are nation states that will do very nicely on their own . Both economically and in defence . So reward them and show them the way to part ways . Their streanght in this case is an actual weakness .

    Offer solutions to their break up . For example the present border in northern Ireland is a stumbling block to UK leaving EU . But I think this border can remain a political border . Disallowing movement of troops . Or EU troops across border . And the economic border can be around Irish coast . To allow EU economic activity for Ireland . This way UK will leave EU sooner . We will deal with Scotland next . So on and on .....
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:44 pm

    Well Gentz, Article 13 and 11 have passed, the end is nigh, for our friends here who are from the EU, i suggest you prep yourself, for if you give the wrong opinion even on this forum you might get a visit from the EU KGB, i mean EU Stasi.

    And your posts might be blocked out right, so no one can hear you scream.
    Dark days are ahead for those of us in the EUSSR.
    Heck, even for those that aren't in the EU are in trouble.

    I know many who are hoping to just vote in people to end this, but this has become impossible, since the Eurocrats can now just import voters, universal-suffrage may have been a bad idea, you played right into the socialists hands, egalitarians.

    Democracy is dead, god help us all.





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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:49 am

    Heck, even for those that aren't in the EU are in trouble.

    Yeah... the rest of the world doesn't really care.

    Sounds like the US claiming Iranian supported terrorism is a threat to the world... no it isn't.

    The only terrorists they support are fighting Israel... 100 years ago Israel didn't exist... who cares if it does not exist in 100 years time.

    The way the EU treats Russia is enough for me to know it has no value to the world...

    Looking forward to seeing how the UK behaves when it leaves the EU to be honest... they pretty much screwed us when they joined the EU and did very little to help us, but of course we will likely bend over backwards to help mother...

    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:43 am

    Hahaha... just saw the news bite on RT... the woman that did the report on Hungary never even went to Hungary to talk to anyone or see anything... how very European.

    Will decide your fate but wont even talk to you about it...
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:46 pm

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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:21 am


    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...

    So I was wondering why likeminded countries like Poland and Austria and indeed Italy didn't back up Hungary...

    I really don't know but over the next few months if we don't hear about similar action being taken against Poland or Austria or Italy for not taking refugees and being proper Europeans then we will know what deals they did... to screw Hungary and cover their own asses.
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:50 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...

    So I was wondering why likeminded countries like Poland and Austria and indeed Italy didn't back up Hungary...

    I really don't know but over the next few months if we don't hear about similar action being taken against Poland or Austria or Italy for not taking refugees and being proper Europeans then we will know what deals they did... to screw Hungary and cover their own asses.



    Because Hungary did not back Poland when it needed its backing.

    The infamous 27:1 vote.

    By the way, the "historical Hungarian-Polish friendship" is a myth; Hungarians at least twice (or three times?) in their history wanted to partition Poland (in 1410 and during the mid-1650's, and there was also possibly a plan to do it during the 1300's).

    Yes, sometimes Hungarians and Poles were allied, but Poland was at times allied with other countries, even with Russia.



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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:24 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    Funny they passed the vote against Hungary... I thought Poland would save them... and perhaps Austria... but clearly they both folded... just goes to show europeans can be bought and it does not matter what politicians say to get the vote... it matters when they vote in Brussels...

    So I was wondering why likeminded countries like Poland and Austria and indeed Italy didn't back up Hungary...

    I really don't know but over the next few months if we don't hear about similar action being taken against Poland or Austria or Italy for not taking refugees and being proper Europeans then we will know what deals they did... to screw Hungary and cover their own asses.



    Because Hungary did not back Poland when it needed its backing.

    The infamous 27:1 vote.

    By the way, the "historical Hungarian-Polish friendship" is a myth; Hungarians at least twice (or three times?) in their history wanted to partition Poland (in 1410 and during the mid-1650's, and there was also possibly a plan to do it during the 1300's).

    Yes, sometimes Hungarians and Poles were allied, but Poland was at times allied with other countries, even with Russia.






    Much more recently, since late 1943, the German-allied Hungarian government supported the Ukrainian nationalist UPA by providing it with weapons, ammunition, and military instructors.

    That was at a time when UPA was literally conducting a genocide against the ethnic Poles.

    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


    Very strange "friends".

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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  Aristide on Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:24 pm

    Most rubbish written in this topic is amusing at best.

    Written from people living in poverty and poor conditions.


    You dont understand politics and you dont understand diplomacy.

    The EU is the worlds most powerful economy. And thats the reason why the EU will not break apart.

    Even trump did fold infront the EU and stopped his tariff threat. The Eu has unrivaled negotiation power and can force its economic will on anyone. Dictate billion $ penalties
    on international corporations like Google, Apple.

    There will most likely also no BREXIT. There are indications they will have another referendum and another one until the result is what the elite sees as fitting.

    I must also laugh about your migrant scare. Nothing happenes in politics without reason. Since 2015 migration was culled down by 97%. The migrants are used as tool to direct population
    in a certain direction. The entire EU shifts more and more to the right.

    Our own president Macron is a nice example for this. He speaks pro human rights but allows no migrants in, blocks all boats and orders military actions in african shitholes without any UN approval.

    Once the migrants are not needed anymore, they will be erased like so many times before.

    The core question in Europe since almost 2000 years is the french / german question.

    A united Europe under French or German rule. Thats the reason for the napoleonic wars, for the 1st world war and also the 2nd world war.

    This dispute is setteled and today we have an Paris - Berlin axis.

    France is and always was an expansionist power. We want Europe as one. Even the Front National wants this.

    And no, we dont need more church. The curch did hold Europe back. Europes roots are the Roman Empire.

    The church has and can have an important cultural impact but limited.

    As for international positions, Russia never was fully in the European concept. Some russian leaders tried that. Czar Peter and Cathrina. There was also a brief time when i was a little kid, when we had Chirac as president, who expanded the axis with german chancellor Schroder to Moscow with Putin.

    We have nothing against Russia. We have interests. Thats a natural thing, just as you have interests. We took West Ukraine. With that we got some good soil for agriculture and also skilled mechanics who work for cheap wages and now build luxury cruise ships and war ships in Nantes.

    You should not worry so much about Europe. Meanwhile China takes Siberia.

    The EU is just a name. The process itself is irreversible. France wants a united Europe. Germany wants a united Europe. And with that, the decission is made.

    As for hungary and some votes in EU parliament. The EU parliament is powerless. All this is without any effects. The EU supports Orban in his politics.

    The illiberal democracy is a the model of the future of Europe and something i find pretty attractive. The french presidential system would be the perfect example for all all of Europe.
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:09 am

    The EU is the worlds most powerful economy. And thats the reason why the EU will not break apart.

    Bollocks... you can take 20 countries and put them together and they can have the worlds most powerful economy too... that doesn't actually mean anything except when you add the resources and power of 20 has been former states together you get a state that is more powerful than any other single state...

    Even trump did fold infront the EU and stopped his tariff threat. The Eu has unrivaled negotiation power and can force its economic will on anyone. Dictate billion $ penalties
    on international corporations like Google, Apple.

    Trump is a dick... nothing he does is important.

    There will most likely also no BREXIT. There are indications they will have another referendum and another one until the result is what the elite sees as fitting.

    That would be typically EU of them... keep having votes until you get the result you want...

    I must also laugh about your migrant scare. Nothing happenes in politics without reason. Since 2015 migration was culled down by 97%. The migrants are used as tool to direct population
    in a certain direction. The entire EU shifts more and more to the right.

    Hahahaha... of course... all the centre left parties in power in europe followed policies with the express purpose of getting them kicked out of power and replaced by centre right parties... interesting hypothesis.... or are you suggesting that there is a secret all powerful collective behind the scenes controlling everything... in which elections in the EU mean fuck all and you should not even bother voting.... you know... like they did in Macedonia... clearly ahead of the average herd in the EU I guess.

    Our own president Macron is a nice example for this. He speaks pro human rights but allows no migrants in, blocks all boats and orders military actions in african shitholes without any UN approval.

    Yeah... he is very American. His speeches meet all the PC norms, but he acts like a Frenchman... The question is... did the French do this first and the Americans follow or was it the other way around.

    Once the migrants are not needed anymore, they will be erased like so many times before.

    Ya... mein fuhrer... vil it be ze ovenz, all civilised and tidy, or some open pit like they did in the Soviet Union during WWII?

    The core question in Europe since almost 2000 years is the french / german question.

    A united Europe under French or German rule. Thats the reason for the napoleonic wars, for the 1st world war and also the 2nd world war.

    This dispute is setteled and today we have an Paris - Berlin axis.

    Yes, a new axis of evil is coming, except you are not going to be ruling the world... just one pole in a multipolar system.

    France is and always was an expansionist power. We want Europe as one. Even the Front National wants this.

    France can want what it likes... I can't see the Italians or Greeks wanting to speak French or German...

    And no, we dont need more church. The curch did hold Europe back. Europes roots are the Roman Empire.

    The church has and can have an important cultural impact but limited.

    Of course... the church is terribly corrupt and broken but still at its roots represents morality... can't let that get in the way can we?

    As for international positions, Russia never was fully in the European concept. Some russian leaders tried that. Czar Peter and Cathrina. There was also a brief time when i was a little kid, when we had Chirac as president, who expanded the axis with german chancellor Schroder to Moscow with Putin.

    Russia would not fit in with your european concept... Russia does not want to be told what to do from Brussels, or Paris or Berlin... which is to say ultimately they don't want to be under Washingtons orders.

    We have nothing against Russia. We have interests. Thats a natural thing, just as you have interests. We took West Ukraine. With that we got some good soil for agriculture and also skilled mechanics who work for cheap wages and now build luxury cruise ships and war ships in Nantes.

    You are also getting Chernobyl and a bunch of nazis that made the German and Austrian nazis look mild... most of the guards for the concentration camps in WWII were selected from the baltic states and the ukraine... they enjoyed their work... welcome to your gene pool.

    You should not worry so much about Europe. Meanwhile China takes Siberia.

    How? They can't even take Taiwan. They can buy what they need from Siberia... the west has built factories and now they are the manufacturing of consumer goods centre of the world and rapidly expanding into other areas, but as a military force largely untested and untried.

    China invading Siberia is an American/European wet dream... just like India fighting China or India fighting Pakistan or Russia fighting anyone.

    The amusing thing is that the last few fights the west has set up for Russia... like supporting ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and overthrowing the government in the Ukraine has all backfired and Russia has got the Crimea, and Iran is now in Iraq and Syria...

    The EU is just a name. The process itself is irreversible. France wants a united Europe. Germany wants a united Europe. And with that, the decission is made.

    What they want is irrelevant... and what they actually want is a europe united behind them... and I doubt they are going to get it the way they want.

    As for hungary and some votes in EU parliament. The EU parliament is powerless. All this is without any effects. The EU supports Orban in his politics.

    So you keep saying, but when it comes time to vote everyone goes super left centre PC... the eu is clearly the rainbow state...


    The illiberal democracy is a the model of the future of Europe and something i find pretty attractive. The french presidential system would be the perfect example for all all of Europe.

    Yeah, and ask someone from another country in the eu and they will likely think other eu countries should be run more like their country... except at a profit...

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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  Aristide on Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:bla bla blubb


    Nope Gary, we dont want the world. We have the best of the world. Most of the world is dirty shitholes so far below us, they are only good to be exploited.

    It also doesnt matter what Italy or Greece want. They are bound to us. They dont need to speak french. The roman empire had multiple languages as well.

    What you dont get is, that brussel is nothing than a smoke screen. Brussel decides nothing. It reads the decissions Paris and Berlin made and acts as lightening catcher.

    But you did not even understand the concept of the EU.

    The EU is the worlds largest and most powerful economy. Single market and economic block. A simple fact.

    How China takes siberia? By setteling there. There are already more chinese than russians living

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb

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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:26 pm

    Aristide wrote:...............

    How China takes siberia? By setteling there. There are already more chinese than russians living

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb



    Load of BS but hey, who cares about accuracy?

    Next time get some real data before running your mouth, some non-horsecrap sources would be nice as well
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    Re: European Union: Discussion Thread

    Post  Aristide on Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:...............

    How China takes siberia? By setteling there. There are already more chinese than russians living

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2100228/chinese-russian-far-east-geopolitical-time-bomb



    Load of BS but hey, who cares about accuracy?

    Next time get some real data before running your mouth, some non-horsecrap sources would be nice as well

    There is only one thing to know.

    Human nature and geography. There are not many russians. Only 6 millions on a gigantic area. While right next to it are 1 billion chinese. The case is already closed.

    Add the fact that russia is economic weak and China an economic giant and you know where things are heading.

    Nations are not static amigo. 500 years ago Siberia was not Russia and you would be a fool to believe it will be Russia in 500 years

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