Future of Russian IFV/AFVs

Zivo wrote:New weapon system. The amount of new turrets coming out of the russian MIC is getting ridiculous.

Not sure what the 6x missiles are.

GarryB wrote:Looks like a 57mm calibre gun...

Those missile tubes could be carrying anything from new model Kornets to new model Krisantema...

They look like 152mm calibre tubes at least...

Zivo wrote:So in this application, what does the large barrel shroud actually do?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:So in this application, what does the large barrel shroud actually do?

Reduce the shaking of the barrel. Also you can see that the gun is an 2A72 30mm gun.

Missiles, from diametre alone you can see those are Kornets.

Zivo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:So in this application, what does the large barrel shroud actually do?

Reduce the shaking of the barrel. Also you can see that the gun is an 2A72 30mm gun.

Missiles, from diametre alone you can see those are Kornets.

How does it actually reduce shaking? Does the end of the shroud contact the barrel using a rail or tube?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:So in this application, what does the large barrel shroud actually do?

Reduce the shaking of the barrel. Also you can see that the gun is an 2A72 30mm gun.

Missiles, from diametre alone you can see those are Kornets.

How does it actually reduce shaking? Does the end of the shroud contact the barrel using a rail or tube?

I don't know, but it looks like a friction and support sleeve like the one that was tried on the ATOM APC.

Zivo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Zivo wrote:So in this application, what does the large barrel shroud actually do?

Reduce the shaking of the barrel. Also you can see that the gun is an 2A72 30mm gun.

Missiles, from diametre alone you can see those are Kornets.

How does it actually reduce shaking? Does the end of the shroud contact the barrel using a rail or tube?

I don't know, but it looks like a friction and support sleeve like the one that was tried on the ATOM APC.

I thought having a floating barrel was all the rage, making guns more accurate, etc. Doesn't the same rule apply to auto cannons?

This view of the BMP-3s main gun arrangement shows two straps around the 100mm gun... one at the muzzle of the 30mm cannon and another a little further back with a sleeve around the 30mm cannon barrel between those two straps.

A [full length] sleeve reduces IR signature and reduces the ability of the gun to vibrate at random.

GarryB wrote:

Definitely not Krisantema, the length of those launchers alone confirms that.

I suspect they will likely adapt Krisantema by making it a larger calibre at some stage... the length of the containers is difficult to gauge due to the angle.

Book. wrote:New Gas-Turbine Engine Trial Fall 2017: Arctic IFV Rytsar
Here: http://mil.today/2017/Arctic1/

Development of advanced infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) Rytsar equipped with gas-turbine engine and electric transmission is under way; trials of the combat vehicle are scheduled in the falls, an insider in the Concern Tractor Plants told Mil.Today.

According to the interviewee, the Rytsar IFV is being created by JSC Special Machine Building Design Bureau, virtually, on its own initiative. Currently, the project is at the "payment stage", the vehicle components are being designed. Moreover, creation of the new IFV coincides with the concern’s reorganization process, the spokesman added

The Russian Defense Ministry plans to deploy the perspective vehicle in the Arctic where the gas turbine powerplant will operate better than the diesel one. The military wants the Rytsar IFVs to be supplied to Arctic-based motorized infantry brigades. The new combat vehicle must be powered with 400-hp engine, and its weight will exceed 20 tons, which is heavier than BMP-3.

The engine for Rytsar IFV has been already designed and is being tested now, but so far this powerplant develops only 380 hp, a source in the Kaluga-based experimental design bureau of motor building told Mil.Today. To increase power, the new turbine needs another supercharger and additional funding. The work on the new generator continues as well. According to the interviewee, the engine will pass from the test-bed trials to the field ones by the coming fall

Next gen Arctic BMP?  

20+ ton IFV  
GTD 400 HP  

Benya wrote:
Rytsar will be based on the T-15 heavy IFV

http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_2017_global_defense_security_news_industry/russia_developing_new_arctic_ifv_on_t-15_chassis_81506173.html

T-47 wrote:That means 40+ Tons!

the latest combat module "Epoch" to go in the army trial operation. The Ministry of defence announced the purchase of a batch of 13 cars with the same combat unit.

Apart from being uninhabited, the features of this module is the presence of 57-mm automatic guns and guided missiles of two types. The well known ATGM "cornet" (the last modification has a range of 8 km and can penetrate 1300 mm armor), and first demonstrated a launcher with a compact multi-purpose guided missiles "Bulat". All the photo shows 8 of these missiles, which in the stowed position placed in the firing module.

"Bulat" designed to destroy light armored vehicles like the BMP, BTR, BRDM, self-propelled guns, and vehicles, weapon emplacements of the opponent. Not being so powerful as "Cornets", these compact missiles capable of hitting main battle tanks in the less armoured parts of the hull and turret.

The forum "Army-2017" was shown options for the  BMP-2 and BMP-3. It is also possible to install it on the family of "Armata" and "kurganets-25" and trucks.




more in link below
http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-21509.htm

Cyberspec wrote:Beginning in 2018, the Russian Army will begin upgrading the BMP-2's with the Berezhok turret

They've also ordered a batch of 13 vehicles with the experimental "Epoch" module

0nillie0 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:Beginning in 2018, the Russian Army will begin upgrading the BMP-2's with the Berezhok turret

They've also ordered a batch of 13 vehicles with the experimental "Epoch" module

My problem with this mock up module is that the "Bulat" launchers appear to be blocking the line of sight of the commanders sight, assuming its a panoramic sight.
This is not the only turret which has this issue.

d_taddei2 wrote:Does anyone have info on range and penetration info on bulat