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    Post  nomadski on Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 pm

    First you must know that you can do it .  It is ten percent intelligence and ninety  percent persistence . Second don't get stuck in high maths or physics . Don't be afraid of it either . First get the idea , then give it to scientist . Or do the maths later to see viability . Nature provides many of the answers . Applied and proven battle machines . Did you know that there is a Beetle ,  I think called a fire Beetle ,  can detect a forest fire from many kilometers distance . And escapes to safety . It does this by sensing rising fluid pressure in glands on legs . Fire or radiation emitted  then heats up fluid . Beetle escapes . Analog can be built . New sensor !
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:05 pm

    Get yourself an engineering degree in one of the subsystems of a missile, you will be qualified to work on whatever part your degree is in.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:44 am

    For instance lets say I intend to develop the state of the art sensors for the P 800, how should I go about acquiring the knowledge?

    I don't think anyone on this forum has any experience developing PGM sensors, let alone integrating them into a real weapon... my advise would be to pick a company that currently makes such products and look at the careers section of their website and contact them to talk about it.

    They should be able to tell you what sort of qualifications will be useful or required...
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:58 pm

    Thanks nomadski.


    nomadski wrote:First you must know that you can do it .  

    This is the tough part isn't it...convincing yourself that you can do something that is otherwise considered difficult to do.
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    Post  nomadski on Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:09 pm

    You are welcome . But I always try to think of the little guy. The world's problems comes from the strong or wealthy nations that oppress the weak  . So in defence terms , anything that puts their expensive destructive machines beyond use ,  is my cup of tea !

    For example thinking about putting aircraft carriers beyond use ,  a UAV powered by hydrogen  fuel  cell  that powers a prop , would have no heat or chemical output that can  be detected from orbit . It can not be intercepted , if it has low rcs body . Bye bye aircraft carrier . Cost of UAV ,  one millionths  of carrier . Rich guy goes bye bye .  But you have to be obsessive . Thinking about things  24/7 .
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:59 am

    Also keep in mind that sometimes talent is born and sometimes it is learned via hard work and dedication.

    Sometimes learning about what people did before can avoid making the same mistakes that have been made previously, but sometimes people have given up too easily and didn't really try the right solutions.

    An example I have mentioned is gun launched anti tank missiles... the French and the Americans both tried and failed.

    The French made a 142mm calibre missile that didn't really make it inter service, while the Americans made a 152mm calibre missile that made it into service, went to war on several occasions with no credible evidence it was ever fired successfully at all.

    Logic would suggest the Soviets would be wasting their time trying to make gun launched guided missiles... especially when in the western view they are considered less capable in the area of miniaturised components and electronics.

    The results are clear for everyone... the soviets took a different approach, but it could be argued their original models were not very impressive at all, but with further development now offer capabilities no western equivalent system ever got near.

    Very simply the west wanted to make a missile firing super tank and ended up with tanks using guns that were useless as guns and pretty much only useful for launching missiles... they designed the missiles first and then built guns to fire them.

    With those goals they could much more easily have taken an APC chassis and put TOW missiles in a turret roof mounted launcher stored more missiles in the hull and saved a fortune and gotten a much more powerful and capable vehicle.

    For the Soviets it was about cheaply and easily extending the effective reach of all their tanks... the T-55s and T-62s got these missiles too... they developed missiles for existing tank guns of all calibres from 100mm and up... the Bastion system came in four different versions... one for the smoothbore 100mm gun of the MT-12, and one for the rifled 100mm gun of the T-54/55 tank, and one for the 100mm rifled gun of the BMP-3, and one with an adapter sleeve for the smoothbore 115mm gun of the T-62.

    They didn't want to create super missile firing tanks... they also had versions of that called the IT-1 and IT-2 that was a tank chassis and a lot flat turret with a launcher for the AT-3 ATGM... which was a failure too, but the idea for their gun launched missiles was to use existing guns and for tanks to carry a few missiles as a new type of ammo... good for specific jobs but not a replacement for all its ammo.

    The later rounds were much faster and with better range and performance and can be used against enemy helicopters or point targets at extended ranges where normal fire would not be so accurate or effective.

    Of course sometimes lack of knowledge can lead to innovative solutions, but it can equally result in repeating mistakes made before, so a healthy understanding of what has been tried and what has failed and why it failed is important too.
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:08 pm

    Years ago I had this idea of using  metal mesh netting to protect against incoming missiles . To set them off early and protect land based facility . Or if placed over ground or underground , to protect against  earth peneterating warhead .  Since then , there has been the invention of jumping mines . Launching upwards when helicopter approaches . Against incoming missile , not effective  . Not fast enough .

    In Syria , we have had cruise missiles and ATGW , being used against mostly static ground targets . Planes in hangers.  Buildings . Vehicles . Some of these land based targets , are mobile . Any target that can not be moved quickly , and is heavy , and of military importance , should be moved to deep under mountain bunkers. But some equipment can not be moved permanently underground . Such as parked vehicles , artillery and aircraft in use and operations .

    Since we have seen that some yank cruise missiles and Usraeli  ATGW ,  can get through air defences ,  then I thought that as well as above ground concrete shelters ( for aircraft ) , that high metal mesh cages can be put around them . Since warhead size is relatively small , and building also concrete , then this stand off distance will , set off warhead . Protect against fragments and blast . A very simple and cost effective solution . What do you think ?

    An improved version , will use a witness plate or mesh at higher height . Followed by some claymore type devices pointing upwards , lower down . These are set off by the piercings of witness plate .In case of multiple rockets following each other , to get in . Then the fabric that is pierced or damaged , can be moved . To expose fresh sections .

    The second question , is , can stealth  body or chassis of light fighter plane be made in one or a few pieces . At once . Using injection moulding machines ? I grant you , you need some big moulds . But inserts of strong fabrics can be put in mould . Then liquid  is  injected . A fast and cheap way . Much better than hand fabrication and glueing  . What you think ?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:23 am

    The fence thing is not new... there are quite a few armies that put up a chain link fence type barrier around things they have dug in to positions... once the vehicle is dug in you put a chain link fence up around that to try to set off incoming missiles prematurely... the main problem is they are not generally very solid... I mean to get a fine weave so you are likely to hit metal rather than empty space then you need rather thin wire otherwise it will weigh several tons and be not only too heavy to carry around but also too heavy to set up whenever you stop.

    Probably the best thing most of the time is what they actually do... so for example with an air field you can dig a trench for troops so if you are out in the field and there is an attack you can jump in to them... obviously they need to be in very specific places because you don't want vehicles or aircraft accidentally running into these holes as that will likely trap them and make them sitting ducks until they can be lifted out.

    Larger trenches need to be made around the airfield for vehicles with a very specific depth based on the vehicles you operate at the base... it need to provide protection but also needs to allow the vehicle to fire its weapons so a hole up to turret level and then walls protecting it from specific directions and overlap those directions so there are no blind spots for the defence.

    For aircraft you can't dig holes because of their weight you would have difficulty getting them back up and out, so you use the spoil from the vehicle holes to build berms on three sides of the aircraft to the height of the aircraft which will stop one aircrafts exploding damaging other aircraft... if you imagine looking right down then you have the aircraft lined up side by side with the back a wall of dirt and walls between and to each side of them... the front has to be open so they can get in and out but a large dirt wall 20m in front of the open aircraft positions will stop anyone firing into the aircraft locations easily.

    Later on you can put tarps over top to reduce the heat inside the aircraft shelters and to make observation harder and make working on the aircraft more tolerable without making it too expensive.

    Most of the time that will be the solution... use local materials as protection... whether it is local sand in sandbags or rocks...
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:34 am

    BTW regarding getting a job in the missile making business, I had a few friends keen on the military and they went to university to do engineering degrees so they could join the army... when they went to the army they were told if they had just signed up to the army when they left high school they would have trained them up and then sent them to university and they could have done their university work on a soldiers salary instead of a students allowance, and all the costs would have been paid for by the army...

    My advice is to find the company webpage of at least three companies you would like to work for and talk to them... if you are too afraid to talk to them then don't expect to get any good job. Keep a separate note book about each company and make sure you know a bit about them before you contact them. One company wont appreciate you telling them how much you admire their products and then go on to name products they don't make. Learn as much as you can about them but admit to yourself and them that there is so much more for you to learn... no one likes a know it all...

    I say try several at a time because there are likely 100 other people doing the same so no matter how hard you try there are no guarantees any will say yes.

    If you want to focus then find three companies and find out if any are in the process of expanding... a new international contract will mean staff expansions, and focus on that company first. Try to evaluate how you did if you don't get a job or interest and do ask for honest feedback (it may not be honest however) and then learn from that for the next company you approach.

    Don't promise things you cannot deliver... be realistic... if they ask you what your weaknesses are and you say I work too hard then you had better be prepared to work all the over time they offer you...

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