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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:14 am

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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    No chance.  He's starting to learn the hard way that denial is not a river in Egypt....   Laughing russia  

    Oh the irony in that statment Laughing
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:38 am

    walle83 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    What do u want for comment? Nothing new really, 100 T-14 like earlier news stated, and 32 T-15? by 2021. Still lacks 2,400 T-14 to replace the T-71 and T-80 as planned tongue

    They don't need 2400 T-14s. With current pace they will have 1000 T-14s and nearly 500 T-15s and T-16s within a decade which is more than enough for Western sector.

    They don't need T-14s for Central Asia and Pacific because there is nothing there that legacy tanks can't easily handle.

    And they won't stop making them after a decade and more likely than not they will eventually increase the annual production.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  LMFS on Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:26 am

    walle83 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    What do u want for comment? Nothing new really, 100 T-14 like earlier news stated, and 32 T-15? by 2021. Still lacks 2,400 T-14 to replace the T-71 and T-80 as planned tongue

    Still 500 F-15s to be replaced by F-22s in the USAF, 15 years after its commissioning.... surely the economic conditions in US are taking a toll in procurement

    Please stop embarrassing yourself, this is painful.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:13 am

    walle83 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    No chance.  He's starting to learn the hard way that denial is not a river in Egypt....   Laughing russia  

    Oh the irony in that statment Laughing

    what can you say what you've lost argument?! 100 is like 50% of whole German armoured forces, 25% of France and 100% of Swedish. How you gonna attack Russia then?!

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:32 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    No chance.  He's starting to learn the hard way that denial is not a river in Egypt....   Laughing russia  

    Oh the irony in that statment Laughing

    what can you say what you've lost argument?! 100 is like 50% of whole German armoured forces,  25% of France and 100% of Swedish. How you gonna attack Russia then?!

    How is that loosing the "argument"? The latest sources has all stated that 100 T-14 will be orderd. So what?

    U r just getting silly now.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    What do u want for comment? Nothing new really, 100 T-14 like earlier news stated, and 32 T-15? by 2021. Still lacks 2,400 T-14 to replace the T-71 and T-80 as planned tongue

    They don't need 2400 T-14s. With current pace they will have 1000 T-14s and nearly 500 T-15s and T-16s within a decade which is more than enough for Western sector.

    They don't need T-14s for Central Asia and Pacific because there is nothing there that legacy tanks can't easily handle.

    And they won't stop making them after a decade and more likely than not they will eventually increase the annual production.

    The orginal plans from 2015 was so buy ~2,300 tanks with the intention to start replacing the older T-72 and T-80 from 2017-2018. It was stated several times that the order would have been ready in 2020. And yes if they want to replace all the older version 2,300 tanks is a minimum.

    And what "pace" are u talking about? 100 tanks has been orderd, nothing more. Anything after that is just a wild gess.

    https://www.rt.com/news/234363-armata-tracked-armored-platform/
    https://www.army-technology.com/projects/t-14-armata-main-battle-tank/
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:36 am

    walle83 wrote:.....
    And what "pace" are u talking about? 100 tanks has been orderd, nothing more. Anything after that is just a wild gess.
    ......

    Talking about 100 in the trial batch to be delivered by 21

    Pay attention
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:11 am

    walle83 wrote:
    How is that loosing the "argument"? The latest sources has all stated that 100 T-14 will be orderd. So what?

    U r just getting silly now.

    precisely so what? what do you contribute here - so far nothing. You asked question you got response. Now you on,y try to wrist others words and troll. Start discuss or justleave since you doesn't seem to want to contribute.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    walle83 wrote:.....
    And what "pace" are u talking about? 100 tanks has been orderd, nothing more. Anything after that is just a wild gess.
    ......

    Talking about 100 in the trial batch to be delivered by 21

    Pay attention

    Yes 100 tanks, what make you think the production run is going to proceed in the same pace for a decade?
    You have absolutly nothing to base any further production number on.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:29 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    How is that loosing the "argument"? The latest sources has all stated that 100 T-14 will be orderd. So what?

    U r just getting silly now.

    precisely so what? what do you contribute here - so far nothing. You asked question you got response. Now you on,y try to wrist others words and troll. Start discuss or justleave since you doesn't seem to want to contribute.

    Your making no sence, u r asking for a response and i give them.

    I actually think your the one that keep bringing this discussion to low levels. Im giving my point of view on a subject, thats my right as a member on this forum. Im no fun to chat with? Stop talking to me then.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:34 am

    Ignore Wall-E the bot...  Real Russia simply does-not-compute as it clashes with his simplistic programming from Atlantacist code-writers.

    He's also of Swedish manufacture.  Their flag is yellow & blue, like Ukropistan.  I'll leave y'all to draw the obvious conclusions Razz

    All jokes aside walle83, you do have the right to debate, but pls don't keep ignoring pertinent facts.... the 100 units are an INITIAL BATCH. Its dishonest to insist otherwise.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:54 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Ignore Wall-E the bot...  Real Russia simply does-not-compute as it clashes with his simplistic programming from Atlantacist code-writers.

    He's also of Swedish manufacture.  Their flag is yellow & blue, like Ukropistan.  I'll leave y'all to draw the obvious conclusions Razz

    All jokes aside walle83, you do have the right to debate, but pls don't keep ignoring pertinent facts....  the 100 units are an INITIAL BATCH.  Its dishonest to insist otherwise.

    Haha real funny....

    Of course its is an initial batch, just saying the obvious that it is the only order so far, and its far away of what the orginal order was supose to be.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:08 am

    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    walle83 wrote:.....
    And what "pace" are u talking about? 100 tanks has been orderd, nothing more. Anything after that is just a wild gess.
    ......

    Talking about 100 in the trial batch to be delivered by 21

    Pay attention

    Yes 100 tanks, what make you think the production run is going to proceed in the same pace for a decade?
    You have absolutly nothing to base any further production number on.

    Of course production pace will not remain same for a decade

    It will gradually increase as they always do

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:58 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    walle83 wrote:.....
    And what "pace" are u talking about? 100 tanks has been orderd, nothing more. Anything after that is just a wild gess.
    ......

    Talking about 100 in the trial batch to be delivered by 21

    Pay attention

    Yes 100 tanks, what make you think the production run is going to proceed in the same pace for a decade?
    You have absolutly nothing to base any further production number on.

    Of course production pace will not remain same for a decade

    It will gradually increase as they always do

    Yes thats a very nice hypothesis. yes sir

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  kumbor on Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:59 am

    walle83 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    What do u want for comment? Nothing new really, 100 T-14 like earlier news stated, and 32 T-15? by 2021. Still lacks 2,400 T-14 to replace the T-71 and T-80 as planned tongue

    I can only repeat what I`ve already said, that even in such situation Russia still has more first line, rather modern MBTs than US and whole Europe! Armata is needed, but why hurry? Finish the development of T-14 and T-15, prepare all for mass production, prove the qualities of a new MBT, and then start full production at the right moment!

    BTW, "the chief "hawk" McCain has died yesterday! Brzezinsky is also dead and Trump has deep and serious bunch of problems over his head! "Deep state" works, but I don`t see imminent perilous situation for Russia to press new, raw, unproven and very expensive MBT in service!
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  Hole on Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:43 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    What do u want for comment? Nothing new really, 100 T-14 like earlier news stated, and 32 T-15? by 2021. Still lacks 2,400 T-14 to replace the T-71 and T-80 as planned tongue

    They don't need 2400 T-14s. With current pace they will have 1000 T-14s and nearly 500 T-15s and T-16s within a decade which is more than enough for Western sector.

    They don't need T-14s for Central Asia and Pacific because there is nothing there that legacy tanks can't easily handle.

    And they won't stop making them after a decade and more likely than not they will eventually increase the annual production.

    The orginal plans from 2015 was so buy ~2,300 tanks with the intention to start replacing the older T-72 and T-80 from 2017-2018. It was stated several times that the order would have been ready in 2020. And yes if they want to replace all the older version 2,300 tanks is a minimum.

    And what "pace" are u talking about? 100 tanks has been orderd, nothing more. Anything after that is just a wild gess.

    https://www.rt.com/news/234363-armata-tracked-armored-platform/
    https://www.army-technology.com/projects/t-14-armata-main-battle-tank/

    The plan was to have 2.300 modern tanks in the army, which means new build and modernised ones.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  franco on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:10 pm

    Hole wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:walle83 , mate could you comment this please?

    What do u want for comment? Nothing new really, 100 T-14 like earlier news stated, and 32 T-15? by 2021. Still lacks 2,400 T-14 to replace the T-71 and T-80 as planned tongue

    They don't need 2400 T-14s. With current pace they will have 1000 T-14s and nearly 500 T-15s and T-16s within a decade which is more than enough for Western sector.

    They don't need T-14s for Central Asia and Pacific because there is nothing there that legacy tanks can't easily handle.

    And they won't stop making them after a decade and more likely than not they will eventually increase the annual production.

    The orginal plans from 2015 was so buy ~2,300 tanks with the intention to start replacing the older T-72 and T-80 from 2017-2018. It was stated several times that the order would have been ready in 2020. And yes if they want to replace all the older version 2,300 tanks is a minimum.

    And what "pace" are u talking about? 100 tanks has been orderd, nothing more. Anything after that is just a wild gess.

    https://www.rt.com/news/234363-armata-tracked-armored-platform/
    https://www.army-technology.com/projects/t-14-armata-main-battle-tank/

    The plan was to have 2.300 modern tanks in the army, which means new build and modernised ones.

    1500 T-72B3 + 300 T-80BVM + 400 T-90A/AM/M + 100 T-14 =
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:21 pm

    walle83 wrote:

    I actually think your the one that keep bringing this discussion to low levels. Im giving my point of view on a subject, thats my right as a member on this forum. Im no fun to chat with? Stop talking to me then.


    you've received answer many times,still re-phrasing one and the same question ignoring answers and provided facts. An initial batch is 132 vehicles.
    There were plans to have more (and they ar ento cancelled) and 2000+ new and upgraded tanks.

    So the what the new question is?



    looking forward to see new stuff from you.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  Isos on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:47 pm

    1500 T-72B3 + 300 T-80BVM + 400 T-90A/AM/M + 100 T-14 =

    Plus all the older tanks that can do simplier jobs and not face nato tanks.

    They should buy a thousand of ansat RC helicopter that would work togather with the tanks to destroy enemy vehicles. Light helicopters proved in the past to be very good at this, more than tanks. Even syrian Gazelles used to perform very good against Israel.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  franco on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:53 pm

    Have noticed around the web, people questioning what the order for 132 T-14 and T-15 represents.

    - Tank battalion in a Tank brigade/regiment has 31 tanks per times 3 battalions = 93 T-14
    - Motor Rifle battalion in a BMP ATGM mounted unit has 37 BMP's times 1 battalion = 37 T-15
    - Brigade / regiment HQ has 1 tank and 1 BMP = 1 T-14 + 1 T-15
    - Total 94 T-14 + 38 T-15 = 132
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:12 pm

    kumbor wrote:
    BTW, "the chief "hawk" McCain has died yesterday!  Brzezinsky is also dead and Trump has deep and serious bunch of problems over his head! "Deep state" works, but I don`t see imminent perilous situation for Russia to press new, raw, unproven and very expensive MBT in service!

    The problem is not that Brzezinski and McCain are dead. The problem is that remaining warmongers are alive lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:59 pm

    franco wrote:Have noticed around the web, people questioning what the order for 132 T-14 and T-15 represents.

    - Tank battalion in a Tank brigade/regiment has 31 tanks per times 3 battalions = 93 T-14
    - Motor Rifle battalion in a BMP ATGM mounted unit has 37 BMP's times 1 battalion = 37 T-15
    - Brigade / regiment HQ has 1 tank and 1 BMP = 1 T-14 + 1 T-15
    - Total 94 T-14 + 38 T-15 = 132

    Knowledge helps thumbsup

    Thanks for the insight
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:51 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    franco wrote:Have noticed around the web, people questioning what the order for 132 T-14 and T-15 represents.

    - Tank battalion in a Tank brigade/regiment has 31 tanks per times 3 battalions = 93 T-14
    - Motor Rifle battalion in a BMP ATGM mounted unit has 37 BMP's times 1 battalion = 37 T-15
    - Brigade / regiment HQ has 1 tank and 1 BMP = 1 T-14 + 1 T-15
    - Total 94 T-14 + 38 T-15 = 132

    Knowledge helps thumbsup

    Thanks for the insight
    Seconded.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  LMFS on Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:09 am

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

    Post  walle83 on Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:38 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    walle83 wrote:

    I actually think your the one that keep bringing this discussion to low levels. Im giving my point of view on a subject, thats my right as a member on this forum. Im no fun to chat with? Stop talking to me then.


    you've received answer many times,still re-phrasing one and the same question ignoring answers and provided facts.  An initial  batch is 132 vehicles.
    There were plans to have more (and they ar ento cancelled) and 2000+ new and upgraded tanks.

    So the what  the new question is?



    looking forward to see new stuff from you.

    What answers? Im just getting the same statment again and again. 100 Armata has been orderd, YES I KNOW, a small batch has been orderd. A small one becouse of the need of reducing costs! There is no more fact then this.

    Anyway im getting tired of this, maybe i irritate you in some other thread soon  thumbsup

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