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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat May 02, 2015 12:00 am

    TR1 wrote:Btw, regarding Armata's fan installations in the rear:

    Here is one of the Obj 187 prototypes, that tested the X-type diesel layout.


    Looks the same as on the T-14

    ...

    Regarding the T-14 turret and werewolves suggestion that there's a wooden frame under the tarp....I tend to agree with that. My money is on the turret looking like this (posted a while ago by Zivo I think)

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    Post  Zivo on Sat May 02, 2015 1:02 am

    Regarding the T-14 turret and werewolves suggestion that there's a wooden frame under the tarp....I tend to agree with that. My money is on the turret looking like this (posted a while ago by Zivo I think)

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    IMO, this is the most accurate estimate of the actual turret shape.  I'm 99% sure the small box on top is a independently aimed smoke launcher. On this rendering, the artist put "Standard" APS launchers on the front of the turret. It may have them, it may not. But I'm 100% sure it will have radars, they could be up front were the artist put the APS, or they might be right below the smoke launchers off to the side. There's not a lot of other placement options. The artist didn't include it, but the turret ring should also have APS tubes radiating from it, and the far side of the turret should have a 2A42 which feeds from the Epoha-lite-esque bustle. Anyways, there's a lot of crap that needs to be placed on the turret, the true turret shape cannot be that big.

    Regarding the radars: It could be the array, or the mount for the array, I dont know. It's not terribly large.


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    Post  alexZam on Sat May 02, 2015 2:20 am

    I'm just gonna leave this here again. Please repost it to paralay and otvaga guys.  yes sir

    High-res originals available on click.

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    Post  alexZam on Sat May 02, 2015 3:06 am

    Btw, what just happen to all previous 30 pages of discussion?

    Here are some more. LAST PHOTO:'Please note the back of T-15's body in a day light. Sun reflecting on surface and edges gives a good impression on technology of abrasive cuts used... The closer we get to to the big V-day - the more it feels like Christmas.  santa

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat May 02, 2015 3:44 am

    alexZam wrote:Btw, what just happen to all previous 30 pages of discussion?

    They have been unstickied into a new nonsticky thread.

    Thanks for the images, by the way.

    Also can you tell me what your avatar says?
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    Post  chicken on Sat May 02, 2015 4:04 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    alexZam wrote:Btw, what just happen to all previous 30 pages of discussion?

    They have been unstickied into a new nonsticky thread.


    Could we have a link on the first post on the first page to the nonstickied thread?

    Zivo wrote:Regarding the radars: It could be the array, or the mount for the array, I dont know. It's not terribly large.

    Is it the same as Epaulet of T-50?
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat May 02, 2015 4:19 am

    Also can you tell me what your avatar says?

    Like up, Sharia! It says.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat May 02, 2015 4:24 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Also can you tell me what your avatar says?

    Like up, Sharia! It says.

    Thanks, Werewolf.
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    Post  AJ-47 on Sat May 02, 2015 5:10 am

    Zivo wrote:


    Regarding the radars: It could be the array, or the mount for the array, I dont know. It's not terribly large.

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    That is the radar of the Trophy they look similar
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    Post  AJ-47 on Sat May 02, 2015 5:20 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Regular wrote:Not sure if trolling

    Its my opinion.. that is a bad idea to have blade like , surfaces at the sides of any tank..
    This will pose a major danger to soldiers near a T-15. Not trolling ,just a real observation.
    it will not be safe to cover behind a T-15 for protection if your group is attacked and you don't know if the driver will move the car..

    To be around Fighting Vehicles in our days it to risky. When active depence and ERA explode, you should't be around anyway.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat May 02, 2015 8:29 am

    May I ask what kind of liquid is this ?

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat May 02, 2015 8:56 am

    higurashihougi wrote:May I ask what kind of liquid is this ?

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    motor oil residue. Not a problem
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat May 02, 2015 9:49 am

    higurashihougi wrote:May I ask what kind of liquid is this ?
    tears of west stronk crew. Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 02, 2015 2:01 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:May I ask what kind of liquid is this ?

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    It depends on the quality of the diesel fuel they are using. I bet the residue is not there in all the T-14 and T-15 practicing for
    the parade. The engine is a high performance turbocharged diesel not specially tuned to burn commercial grade diesel. This
    residue is not associated with engine damage or malfunction.
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    Post  Austin on Sat May 02, 2015 6:33 pm

    Any reason why so much of black smoke from Armata chasis when they increase speed ?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 02, 2015 6:38 pm

    Austin wrote:Any reason why so much of black smoke from Armata chasis when they increase speed ?


    Is that what you call 'black smoke'? Looks whitish-grey to me, and the T-90 is a bigger black smoke belcher, and it doesn't stop it from preforming it's vital tasks.
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    Post  Zivo on Sat May 02, 2015 6:45 pm

    From Otvaga:

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    Post  kvs on Sat May 02, 2015 7:55 pm

    Austin wrote:Any reason why so much of black smoke from Armata chasis when they increase speed ?



    This is routine exhaust aerosol for large diesels. You can see this regularly with tractor-trailers and other
    heavy diesel engine machines. Your typical VW TDI has all sorts of filters (including urea) to make them
    environmentally friendly.

    Diesels are more efficient than gasoline engines, but as they use heavier grade fuel cracked from crude oil
    they produce more exhaust aerosols including soot. Gasoline engines burn cleaner in terms of soot but
    release more carbon monoxide.

    I can't believe anyone is asking this question. I have seen this all my life and it's not like I lived it on a
    construction site.
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 02, 2015 7:57 pm

    Zivo wrote:From Otvaga:

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    Now I am confused about the size of the gun. It looks longer and with a greater diameter. Is it 125 mm or 152 mm?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 02, 2015 8:03 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Zivo wrote:From Otvaga:

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    Now I am confused about the size of the gun.   It looks longer and with a greater diameter.   Is it 125 mm or 152 mm?

    Still 125 mm, but likely the barrel and autoloader are longer to allow longer APFSDS rounds.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat May 02, 2015 8:10 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Zivo wrote:From Otvaga:

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    Now I am confused about the size of the gun.   It looks longer and with a greater diameter.   Is it 125 mm or 152 mm?

    Well. 2A82 is indeed longer than 2A46.

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    Though yes, arrangement and that tarp around that barrel making it looks even larger.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat May 02, 2015 8:11 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Zivo wrote:From Otvaga:

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    Now I am confused about the size of the gun.   It looks longer and with a greater diameter.   Is it 125 mm or 152 mm?

    152 mm at 52 calibres = 7.9m
    125 mm at 52 calibres = 6.5m

    So either a 152/48 cal or something else...it clearly isn't a 52 cal 152mm
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 02, 2015 8:17 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Zivo wrote:From Otvaga:

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    Now I am confused about the size of the gun.   It looks longer and with a greater diameter.   Is it 125 mm or 152 mm?

    Well. 2A82 is indeed longer than 2A46.

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    Though yes, arrangement and that tarp around that barrel making it looks even larger.


    Looks like the T-14 gun is placed farther forward than in the T-90 based on these two sets of
    pictures. The diameter still looks too large even accounting for the tarp. Probably the red
    overlay is too small.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat May 02, 2015 8:27 pm

    Actually given how tight the T90 turret is, I find the T-14 turret quite big (even with the tarp and superstructure). It is looking more and more like very ambitious project in the making.
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    Post  Zivo on Sun May 03, 2015 4:52 am

    I pulled some images from otvaga, showing the left side of the turret which for some odd reason isn't photographed often.

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    Something I've noticed from these images is that bump which I suspect is the directional smoke launcher can rotate 360 degrees.

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    Notice in this image the smoke launcher is actually pointed over the roof of the turret, towards the building with the black and gold sign.

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    Here's some more shots of the T-15's backside.

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    Another shot of what I suspect is a radar element of the APS.

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