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    Post  Zivo on Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:12 pm

    5,616px × 3,744px pic of Armata

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:30 pm



    anyone knows if Armata will have air condition for extreme hot zones  ?
    I think US and Germany and French latest tanks all have.. just like Israelis ones..

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    Post  Zivo on Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:40 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    anyone knows if Armata will have air condition for extreme hot zones  ?
    I think US and Germany and French latest tanks all have.. just like Israelis ones..


    You can see vents on either side of the capsule.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:17 am

    Zivo wrote:

    You can see vents on either side of the capsule.

    An eye for detail Smile
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    Post  cracker on Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:20 am

    not necessarily air conditioning, maybe just air fans...

    As for the gunner, he is definitely in the middle, it makes sense that he has no hatch, he's constantly buttoned up and keeping and eye on sensors. He can probably get out from either driver or commander hatch.

    You think the automatic transmission is a good idea? I hope it's reliable and durable, and able to bear with some brutal novice drivers.


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    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:23 am

    http://sg.uploads.ru/HZlNC.jpg

    Hmmm. Hope that plate on top of the engine is thick...and does not rely on slope too much, that is my least favorite thing about the Abrams glacis...

    Wonder why the ERA coverage in front seems to end prematurely.

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    Post  cracker on Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:26 am

    For the T-14, looking at open hatches... Total roof thickness looks like 15-18cm


    looking at the photos, with dust and background, it seems there is a hell of an army of T-14 Very Happy
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    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:19 am

    cracker wrote:not necessarily air conditioning, maybe just air fans...

    As for the gunner, he is definitely in the middle, it makes sense that he has no hatch, he's constantly buttoned up and keeping and eye on sensors. He can probably get out from either driver or commander hatch.

    You think the automatic transmission is a good idea? I hope it's reliable and durable, and able to bear with some brutal novice drivers.

    There is a benefit from reducing the number of hatches. It makes the crew compartment more resistant to breach
    since hatches are weak points.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:20 am

    TR1 wrote:http://sg.uploads.ru/HZlNC.jpg

    Hmmm. Hope that plate on top of the engine is thick...and does not rely on slope too much, that is my least favorite thing about the Abrams glacis...

    Wonder why the ERA coverage in front seems to end prematurely.


    Probably so they can reach the engine without taking ERA tiles off, since they have quite a weight wouldn't be easy for soldiers in the field to open the engine compartment to make maintenance.
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    Post  Orocairion on Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:54 am

    Werewolf wrote:

    Probably so they can reach the engine without taking ERA tiles off, since they have quite a weight wouldn't be easy for soldiers in the field to open the engine compartment to make maintenance.

    Maybe that's part of the reason why the sloped ERA slates on the sides seem to hinged?
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    Post  Zivo on Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:15 am

    Orocairion wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    Probably so they can reach the engine without taking ERA tiles off, since they have quite a weight wouldn't be easy for soldiers in the field to open the engine compartment to make maintenance.

    Maybe that's part of the reason why the sloped ERA slates on the sides seem to hinged?

    It's probably like that so they dont get ripped off on terrain.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:32 am

    Zivo wrote:
    Orocairion wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    Probably so they can reach the engine without taking ERA tiles off, since they have quite a weight wouldn't be easy for soldiers in the field to open the engine compartment to make maintenance.

    Maybe that's part of the reason why the sloped ERA slates on the sides seem to hinged?

    It's probably like that so they dont get ripped off on terrain.

    Well the tank doesn't seem to have fuel stored on top off the chassis like it was before, because those fuel tanks like on T-64/80 and T-72/90 are the reason why era/sideskirts were installed with the option to break so to avoid damage to the fuel tanks when driving and scratching against walls, trees or any hard object. The T-14 does not look like it has fuel stored in that way, so i would assume the sideskirts are pretty good fixed on the sides. Angling ERA for APFSDS would increase its performance of initiating a better yaw and deflecting the ammunition or just shatter it in pieces like K5 did with APFSDS.
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    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:42 am

    Where does the Driver Sit in the middle or on the right side ?
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:44 am

    Austin wrote:Where does the Driver Sit in the middle or on the right side ?

    Left side when you look from top in same direction as the tank.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:58 am

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    Post  jhelb on Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:37 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:

    500 grams of HE exploded 5 cm above the APFSDS could deflect it by 241 cm or over two meter, assuming interception range (Where the APS munition encounter the missile) of 100 m. Flying on top of the APFSDS... The explosion will deflect it straight to the ground thus won't hit the tank at all.

    So, basically Armata will be an up rated T-90, right?

    Stealthflanker wrote:Anyway.. i did that calculation based on Journal of Impact engineering paper

    _G_Iosilevskii;_N_Farber_--_Effect_of_a_spherical_explosion_upon_the_flight_path_and_spatial_orientation_of_a_projectile-1.pdf]Effects of spherical explosion upon flight path and spatial orientation of a projectile

    I opened this link but there are is no info or pdf file.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:00 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    So, basically Armata will be an up rated T-90, right?

    No. as far as i can see, it has nothing in common with T-90's. It's based on T-95.





    I opened this link but there are is no info or pdf file.


    Are you sure ? It works fine for me.
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    Anyway i'll re-share it. in scribdd

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/262936180/IEffect-of-a-Spherical-Explosion-Upon-the-Flight-Path-and-Spatial-Orientation-of-a-Projectile
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:13 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    No. as far as i can see, it has nothing in common with T-90's. It's based on T-95.

    Ok. I do not know much about the T-95. I am not sure if there is a link in this forum about the T-95.Anyways I will research on that.

    Stealthflanker wrote:Anyway i'll re-share it. in scribdd

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/262936180/IEffect-of-a-Spherical-Explosion-Upon-the-Flight-Path-and-Spatial-Orientation-of-a-Projectile

    Thanks. This opens. Am out of +ve votes today, will up vote your post first thing tomorrow morning.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:36 pm

    the crew's gear looks nice- use of thick protective goggles definitely mean they are looking at high definition screens for interface.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:57 pm

    user interface should be in the visor as augmented reality with short range radio transmitters inside the crew compartment, when crew are outside short range transmitters can still feed the data into their visor. a series of cameras on the outside should give the crews 360 degree visibility, and there should be 2 machine guns / grenade launchers that can be slaved to the sight of a crew member on a need basis for close in fire support.

    imagine just looking around inside the tank and see the entire world on the outside. shout "grenade launcher" and the independent grenade launcher is slaved to your head movement and shout fire (or press on a button to get it to shoot at whatever you look at.

    That's how it should work! same system can be installed on IFVs for example, and even on UGVs with directional laser control.
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    Post  cracker on Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:04 pm

    all that might come when it's cheap and common enough.

    Early version of T-14 will evolve along the decades, and you can bet the 2050 version will be sick.

    They have created a modular platform, it will evolve. The T-90 is dead, too expensive to upgrade and just too obsolete in the design, with unrepairable flaws.
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    Post  Bolt on Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:15 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:[Official] Armata Discussion thread #2 - Page 13 Ewbvusq
    Sorry if this was already answered, but why are there two areas without the "skirt"/ERA protection - on top of 3rd and 5th wheel?
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    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:45 pm

    They are fitting them on the vehicles when they get a free moment between parade rehearsals.
    At the next rehearsal, the vehicle pictured above will probably have everything fitted.
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    Post  Regular on Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:54 pm

    What do You think, why there is a gap there and why it's not filled? [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2 - Page 13 M3bog411
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:51 pm

    Regular wrote:What do You think, why there is a gap there and why it's not filled? [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2 - Page 13 M3bog411

    Since this is an IFV version it has its engine infront, making the main front armor weaker so they installed this armor plate with spaced armor.

    Probably it will look like this when it is fully equipped with ERA/NERA.

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    I just realized why the ERA tiles of the above picture are angled, it is because they are covering the exhaust pipe and cooling vent and not for better anti APFSDS protection.

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