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    2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  franco on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:31 pm

    Article on the 2S34 upgrade of the 2S1. Doesn't sound like too many will show up.
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftopwar.ru%2F&sandbox=1
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  franco on Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:47 pm

    Could not find article on 2S34... could you copy and paste it here?

    Thought that I had with the link above but it appears to download the webpage. The article is presently about half way down page 2 on the linked web site.
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    2S1 "Gvozdika"

    Post  Book. on Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:22 pm

    The self-propelled cannon 2S34 "Hosta"

    Since the beginning of the seventies by the Soviet and Russian army is self-propelled artillery 2S1 "Carnation". This self-propelled gun with a gun 2A31 122mm is intended for destruction of manpower, equipment and facilities of the enemy, as well as other complements other types of self-propelled guns. For two decades, it was built several thousand combat vehicles, most of which are still in service. However, by the beginning of the two thousandth's military came to the conclusion to replace "Carnations". So there was a project 2S34 "Hosta". The decision to develop a new project was adopted in 2003. The military ordered the creation of a deep modernization of the existing ACS 2S1. Initially, the new project had the designation 2S1M related to its main task - to upgrade the existing self-propelled gun. However, later in the new project was introduced so many innovations that have changed the index to 2S34. Also, the project was designated a cipher "Hosta". The lead developer of the new project was the Perm company "MZ". In addition, the works attracted CRI "Petrel". According to reports, the original terms of reference imply the creation of a new modification of self-propelled 2S1 "Carnation" with new weapons and fire control equipment. For this reason, it was decided to revise only the fighting compartment and the tower machine. Tracked chassis offered remain unchanged, which further affected the fate of the project. Thus, self-propelled guns (CAO) 2S34 "Host" is a new fighting compartment with a cannon mounted on the chassis base machine.

    SAO 2S34 chassis to keep the old layout, the traditional home for self-propelled guns of recent decades. In front of the housing, with a shift to the right side, it is the engine-transmission compartment. To his left is the separation of management from the workplace of the driver. The middle and rear of the hull placed under the crew compartment. On the roof of the body has a shoulder strap for the installation of the tower. Housing combat vehicle is welded from rolled armor plates of thickness up to 15 mm, providing protection from the bullets of small arms and shell fragments. The basis of the power plant chassis "Host" is a diesel engine YaMZ-238N 300 hp With the double-flow engine related mechanical transmission with planetary-friction rotation mechanism. There are six forward gears and one rear. As part of the chassis there are seven road wheels with torsion bar suspension on each side. Several rollers are supplied with hydraulic shock absorbers. Because the front-engine driven wheels are in the forward part of the sides, the guides - the feed. Special support rollers are not available, since the upper branch of the tracks lies on road wheels. 2S34 self-propelled body length is 7.57 m, width - 2.85 m. Total height of the tower on the roof - 2,83 m. The combat weight of 16 tons. Specific Power Machines is at 18.75 hp per ton, which allows a speed (on the road) to 60 km / h. On rough terrain the maximum speed is twice lower.

    Due to the sealed enclosure CAO "Host" can cross water obstacles swimming. In this case, the movement is carried out by peremetyvaniya caterpillars. Speed ​​by water does not exceed 4-4.5 km / h. When driving on the highway fuel range reaches 500 km. Central and rear of the hull takes self-propelled fighting compartment with a rotating turret. It is armed, ammunition and fire control equipment. In the central part of the front plate of the tower provides a window for the guns and masks. Mechanisms for setting the gun can fire with an elevation angle between -2 ° and + 80 °. Traverse - pie. On the cheeks of the tower are smoke grenade launchers. On the roof of the turret is provided for the machine gun, designed for self-defense. In order to improve the characteristics of the new combat vehicle it was decided to replace the basic instrument. Instead of 122-mm howitzer 2A31 rifled weapon now used 2A80-1 120mm. This instrument combines the basic functions of guns, howitzers and large caliber mortars that, as expected, would lead to a significant increase in combat performance. A characteristic feature of the new instruments is a muzzle brake recognizable form. In addition, the instrument is equipped with special anti-recoil devices can fire a wide range of elevation angles as direct fire, and "in the mortar." Inside the crew compartment is placed 40 shots of ammunition of different types. The gun car "Host" is a modernized version of the 2A80 gun used in the composition of the CAO 2S31 "Vienna". With this two self-propelled may use the same type of ammunition. 2S34 self-propelled gun can fire high-explosive, thermobaric, incendiary, lighting, cassette, etc. shells. At the same time, however, in contrast to the "Vienna", "Host" can not use armor-piercing shaped-charge projectiles 3VBK14.

    Cannon 2A80-1 can fire or direct fire from concealed positions. By using different firing modes provides effective engagement of targets at ranges up to 13 kilometers, depending on the type of projectile and some other parameters. Accuracy depends on getting the ammunition. For example, in the range of shots are used by some guided missiles to significantly reduce the consumption of ammunition to defeat this purpose. In addition to new weapons to improve the characteristics of fire use fire control equipment updated. It is known that there are two variants fire control system (FCS). A full version of the so-called automatic system guidance and fire control (AGFCS) and its simplified version. According to reports, a full version of the MSA is intended to command vehicles, which have to handle the available information and provide target designation for other self-propelled battery. The latter case may use a simplified version of the OMS that can execute commands and solve tasks without complex calculations, etc. operations. The operation of the CAO 2S34 "Hosta" carried a crew of four.

    The driver is located in front of the hulls to the left of the engine. The commander, gunner and loader are located in the tower. At the disposal of the latter has a complete set of equipment for the control system responsible for firing on selected targets. Development of the project ended in 2S34 by 2008. Shortly thereafter, "MZ", together with some related companies started manufacturing new equipment. After some time, the new combat vehicles came to the test, and then were transferred to the troops for inspection during operation. Troop tests were conducted self-propelled artillery battery of the 1st infantry battalion 21 th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade (Orenburg region). In the new self-propelled high expectations. It was expected that the new equipment chassis spent fighting compartment with a universal instrument will significantly improve the combat capability of artillery units. Nevertheless, during military tests revealed some serious drawbacks resulting machine. Chief among these have been linked to the chassis used. In autumn 2012 it became known that on the real characteristics of the CAO "Hosta" said the approach to the design with extensive use of ready-made units.

    According to the national press, the new self-propelled gun during the tests showed a lack of stability and rate of fire. Thus, due to the use of the old chassis, designed without considering the peculiarities of the new instruments, the CAO "Hosta" while firing at high angles of elevation wobble, which affected the accuracy of shooting. Similar problems were observed mainly when shooting in the "mortar" because the returns in this case above and has its own specific distribution of units of the machine. Insufficient stability of the chassis also affected the rate of fire. Because of the need to introduce new amendments and the difficulties with loading the gun in the car rocking during the test managed to fire a rate no more than 3-4 rounds per minute. In comparison, the 120-mm towed mortar 2S12 "Sani" by a proper distribution of the recoil momentum, capable of producing up to 10-12 rounds per minute. Also in November 2012, domestic media reported that by the time the news about problems CAO "Host" enterprise "MZ" has not received any official documents about any failures during testing. At the same time, however, representatives of the plant noted that the self-propelled gun was developed in strict accordance with the requirements of the customer.

    It was reported that due to the problems identified Defense Ministry has no plans to purchase new 2S34 self-propelled guns. As a solution to the current problem is called to develop a new version of the machine on the basis of a chassis, providing the required stability while shooting. However, as far as is known, version of "hosts" on the new chassis has not yet been established. To date, according to various sources, it was built at least 50 self-propelled artillery 2S34 "Hosta". This technique has been handed over to the various units of ground forces, which operated up to the present time. At times like fighting vehicles are taking part in various exercises. For example, in March this year in the Southern Military District conducted the camp to collect artillery. The event at the military range shooting Prudboy conducted using various weapons, including the CAO "Hosta". At the moment, the troops there are several dozens of new self-propelled type 2S34 "Hosta". For information about further purchases of such equipment is not available. Thus, the gradual replacement of existing ACS "Carnation", planned in the first half of the last decade, has been postponed indefinitely. However, in this situation, ground forces were able to obtain new vehicles with sufficient high performance, although not fully arranging military. Perhaps in the near future the problem with insufficient stability of the chassis will be resolved, which will start construction and delivery of high-grade self-propelled guns, fully meet the requirements.

    http://topwar.ru/78922-samohodnoe-artilleriyskoe-orudie-2s34-hosta.html


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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:18 am

    Is there any plan for a modernization or replacement of the 2S1 Gvozdika? It has really proven itself to be very effective and useful in various ops from Georgian war, Syrian conflict, Chechnya and even the Ukrainian crisis. It is a fantastic system and I think a modernization or even a new one may be ideal. No?
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  Benya on Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:27 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Is there any plan for a modernization or replacement of the 2S1 Gvozdika?  It has really proven itself to be very effective and useful in various ops from Georgian war, Syrian conflict, Chechnya and even the Ukrainian crisis.  It is a fantastic system and I think a modernization or even a new one may be ideal.  No?

    Not really. The 2S34 "Khosta" (the Gvozdika's gun was replaced with a 120mm mortar) was an attempt to modernize it. However, they didn't field it en masse, only in small numbers.

    This is the Khosta, nothing special.
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:08 am

    The problem of the 2S1 is that it is a 122mm calibre weapon.

    Other than the useful towed D-30 it is not used by any other platform so the issue is... do you keep a 122mm calibre gun in a force that already had a 125mm calibre tank gun and a 120mm calibre mortar system.

    The solution is the 120mm gun/mortar which has a very similar range to the 122mm gun (13km range vs 15km) but the 120mm weapon can fire mortar bombs of both Russian and NATO design in the 120mm calibre, plus laser guided 120mm mortar rounds (GRAN) plus also the laser guided 122mm rounds (Kitolov family) and also 120mm shells including HEAT and HE.

    the idea to fit the 120m gun/mortar to the 2S1 chassis was to get the best of both worlds.... cheap system with comparable performance to the 2S1, which eliminates a whole calibre from the inventory (122mm) without losing a capability as the 120mm is very similar in performance.

    Sprut wont get a 2S# designation because it is not an artillery vehicle... it is a light tank. It should get a T-## designation.

    Sorry... a moment of stupid on my part... of course it already has a 2S designation.... it is 2S25.

    Would be interesting to put together a list of 2S# vehicles... obvious ones are the ones that made it into service... 2S1, 2S3, S24, 2S5, 2S7, 2S9, 2S19...
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  eehnie on Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:04 am


    The difference in range between the 2S1 and the 2S34 is bigger. The maximum range for the 122mm 2S1 is 21.9 Km while the maximum range for the 120mm 2S34 is 17.5 Km.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A11#.D0.A1.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.B9.D0.BD.D0.BE.D0.B5_.D0.BF.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B8.D0.B7.D0.B2.D0.BE.D0.B4.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B2.D0.BE

    I do not expect the transition from 2S1 to 2S34 to be completed. The rythm is so low, it would take more than 100 years at the current rythm.

    I see more likely that the weapons in worst condition of the 2S1 be repaired with the weapons of the D-30 in best condition (not necessarily meaning a reduction in the number of D-30) in order to keep the 2S1 with the weapons of 122mm in best condition. It means the life of the 2S1 can be very long still.

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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  T-47 on Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:120mm weapon can fire mortar bombs of both Russian and NATO design in the 120mm calibre, plus laser guided 120mm mortar rounds (GRAN) plus also the laser guided 122mm rounds (Kitolov family) and also 120mm shells including HEAT and HE.

    120mm gun firing 122mm rounds?
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:18 am

    The difference in range between the 2S1 and the 2S34 is bigger. The maximum range for the 122mm 2S1 is 21.9 Km while the maximum range for the 120mm 2S34 is 17.5 Km.

    Such a minor difference in range performance is not significant enough to warrant keeping an entire separate calibre in service, plus those figures are for rocket assisted shells, which is not really normal and not really that accurate against the targets they are fired at.

    The D-30 has a range of about 15km and the 120mm gun the Vena uses has a range of about 13km with shells (less with mortar bombs of course).

    I do not expect the transition from 2S1 to 2S34 to be completed. The rythm is so low, it would take more than 100 years at the current rythm.

    They decided to make this transition for sound reasons, but they wont just replace all as quickly as possible... more likely they will change a few and then use them in exercises and decide whether they can perform to the level they expect before they convert them all. Converting a test group is not indicative of the potential speed of the transition.

    I see more likely that the weapons in worst condition of the 2S1 be repaired with the weapons of the D-30 in best condition (not necessarily meaning a reduction in the number of D-30) in order to keep the 2S1 with the weapons of 122mm in best condition. It means the life of the 2S1 can be very long still.

    Again you show your limits... Towed guns are not just cheap guns waiting for a vehicle chassis to become better. In many cases a towed gun is superior to a vehicle mounted weapon... towed weapons can move across uneven terrain or up mountains and across bridges heavier vehicles cannot.

    The whole point of the changing of the calibre of the 2S1 to 120mm was to eliminate the 122mm calibre from the front line logistics table... it would be rather stupid to then modify vehicles to then take more 122mm calibre weapons when you are trying to eliminate that calibre from your forces...

    120mm gun firing 122mm rounds?

    The 122mm rounds I am talking about are gun launched missiles which do not engage the rifling of the guns that fire them so they are often quite a bit smaller in calibre with a sabot around them to fit the barrel. This means they could easily be fired from guns of 2mm smaller calibre as they don't need to engage any rifling... they just need an adapted sabot.
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    2S1 "Gvozdika"

    Post  franco on Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:34 pm

    MOSCOW, Nov. 17 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Defense Ministry will maintain 122-mm self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika" and modernize them, equipping an automated management system, the Izvestia newspaper reported on Friday.

    "The military department is discussing the modernization of the" Gvozdik "with the representatives of industry.The decision to modernize is taken in light of the successful use of self-propelled howitzers in almost all armed conflicts of recent times, including in Syria." Carnations "kept mobility in a highly rugged terrain, where heavier self-propelled guns could not pass, "the article says.

    It notes that after a thorough modernization the crew will only have to press the button, so that the system itself made the calculations, put the gun on the target at the given coordinates and determined the necessary number and type of ammunition. Howitzers will also receive shells of increased power and accuracy.

    "The military department in the near future must finally decide on the tactical and technical task for the modernization of self-propelled howitzers, the number of artillery installations to be converted and, consequently, the price of the issue." It is expected that one of the enterprises of NPK Uralvagonzavod, - the report says.

    According to the publication, "the highlight of the updated self-propelled artillery systems (SAU) will be an automated guidance and fire control system that will minimize crew participation and increase fire efficiency." The self-propelled guns should receive a more advanced ballistic calculator of the sighting complex, new sights and, possibly, a new chassis domestic production. "
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:18 am

    franco wrote:MOSCOW, Nov. 17 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Defense Ministry will maintain 122-mm self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika" and modernize them, equipping an automated management system, the Izvestia newspaper reported on Friday.

    "The military department is discussing the modernization of the" Gvozdik "with the representatives of industry.The decision to modernize is taken in light of the successful use of self-propelled howitzers in almost all armed conflicts of recent times, including in Syria." Carnations "kept mobility in a highly rugged terrain, where heavier self-propelled guns could not pass, "the article says.

    It notes that after a thorough modernization the crew will only have to press the button, so that the system itself made the calculations, put the gun on the target at the given coordinates and determined the necessary number and type of ammunition. Howitzers will also receive shells of increased power and accuracy.

    "The military department in the near future must finally decide on the tactical and technical task for the modernization of self-propelled howitzers, the number of artillery installations to be converted and, consequently, the price of the issue." It is expected that one of the enterprises of NPK Uralvagonzavod, - the report says.

    According to the publication, "the highlight of the updated self-propelled artillery systems (SAU) will be an automated guidance and fire control system that will minimize crew participation and increase fire efficiency." The self-propelled guns should receive a more advanced ballistic calculator of the sighting complex, new sights and, possibly, a new chassis domestic production. "

    Good news for Russia.

    Self propelled artillery is to stay long.

    Heavy towed artillery wil go before.
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:09 am

    Well that is interesting.

    Are they actually retaining the 122mm guns or will they follow through with the plan to change to 120mm gun/mortars?

    Sounds like they want to keep their 122mm howitzers.
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:49 am

    The rythm of updating from 2S1 to 2S34 never has been enough for a total replacement.

    It is clear that the 122mm caliber will survive around 25 years more. I explained it here. Even the 122mm ammunition remains in production (unlike the 73mm ammunition).

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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:18 pm

    They would hardly shift from one calibre to another without serious testing and use in exercises.


    They have a lot of 2S1 vehicles and previously they wanted to streamline their different types of artillery so in theory removing one calibre while still being able to use all those vehicles they have would have been a good thing.

    Experience has clearly shown how valuable these vehicles can be if they are accurate enough...

    So upgrading them with systems to make them easier to use and more accurate and rapid use of their features means a crew can effectively rapidly be given a job and complete that job with little effort with most of the work being done automatically for them.

    The question remains of course is can that same job be done with a 120mm gun/mortar with all those upgrades.

    Weapons with variable charges (like howitzers and mortars) tend to be rather more accurate in indirect fire than guns.

    A gun is a high velocity weapon often used in direct fire that has a relatively flat trajectory and a fixed propellent load.

    This often means they have lighter shells but their velocity normally makes them rather useful for a range of tasks including counter battery fire because of their range.

    When shooting at close range targets that are not in the direct line of sight most cannot hit some targets because they don't elevate high enough to lob shells at them and even if they did the fixed propellent would fire the shells very high up meaning a long flight time for the projectile during which its path will be seriously effected by various winds at different altitudes and at different directions.

    A howitzer or Mortar on the other hand can use their minimum charge and launch their projectiles on a steep but much shorter path.

    It also means the round comes down at a very steep angle which is good for effect on target as most of the shell fragments come from the walls of the shell rather than the nose or tail.

    They likely replaced the KS-19 AA guns for avalanche control because ammo is likely becoming more scarce and more expensive. The advantage of the KS-19 is that it has a mount that allows it to be turned 360 degrees to engage targets from any direction rapidly without having to dig the weapon out and dig it back into place.

    The D-30 has the same advantage so it would be useful in that role.

    This suggests to me that its use by the civilian agency does not immediately mean it is to be retired... it is still a very useful weapon.
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:10 am

    For shelling IGIL/Talibs on outskirts of former Soviet Union you do not need anything better.
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:45 am

    The real question however is can the 120mm gun/mortar do a good enough job in the place of the 122mm gun?

    If it can then you could eliminate an entire calibre from the inventory without losing a capability/resource.

    the 120mm gun/mortar can fire Russian and western 120mm mortar rounds and also 120mm shells with variable bagged charges and of course the 120mm gran guided missile and the 122mm Kitilov guided missile too.

    As a single mobile vehicle able to at the press of a button engage targets within its range automatically with the press of a button, then it becomes a rather interesting vehicle... with good communications they could scatter and attack point targets from different positions and then move rapidly to another fire position....
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:36 pm

    GarryB wrote:The real question however is can the 120mm gun/mortar do a good enough job in the place of the 122mm gun?

    If it can then you could eliminate an entire calibre from the inventory without losing a capability/resource.

    the 120mm gun/mortar can fire Russian and western 120mm mortar rounds and also 120mm shells with variable bagged charges and of course the 120mm gran guided missile and the 122mm Kitilov guided missile too.

    As a single mobile vehicle able to at the press of a button engage targets within its range automatically with the press of a button, then it becomes a rather interesting vehicle... with good communications they could scatter and attack point targets from different positions and then move rapidly to another fire position....

    Maybe the time factor? Recently Russia decided to refurbish heavy nuke capable mortars too ?
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    2S1 Howitzers

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:24 am

    The 122mm and 120mm weapons are now pretty much in the light to medium weigh range, while the 240m mortars and 203mm guns they are overhauling and keeping in reserve are more of the very heavy range.

    I very much doubt they are keeping those super heavy vehicles for their nuclear delivery potential... they would more likely use Iskander or Tochka for that.

    In terms of small mobile vehicles with very good fire power a 2S1 is hard to beat as long as it uses guided shells, though as I mentioned even the standard D-30 has very good accuracy for artillery.

    It is hard to say what lessons they have learned from experience in Syria and Ukraine and what their options are.

    They seem to have a lot of 2S1 vehicles in good condition and presumably lots of ammo for those vehicles too.

    An upgrade to make them rather more potent would make a lot of sense, and down the track there is the potential to change the weapon to a different type if needs be.

    Part of the logic behind the 2S34 Hosta upgrade was to upgrade all the electronics and systems to greatly improve performance... the change in calibre was a slight downgrade in max range performance, but the unification of calibres would save a lot of money and simplify the logistics by quite a bit too... instead of carrying x thousand rounds of 120mm gun and x thousand rounds of mortar bombs in 120mm calibre and x thousand rounds of 122mm gun shells, they could just have more 120mm shells and bombs.

    A less obvious advantage is that this would eliminate 122mm tube ammo so only 122mm rocket ammo remains...
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:29 pm

    One area which hasn't been talked about which I've seen in three video clips over the number of years in the syrian conflict was where the 2S1 was used in direct fire role. Twice against buildings and once against a truck. Although it wasn't known if they were using HE-frag or anti tank rounds but on one video one of the buildings hit did look like the hit did considerable amount of damage. The HEAT round penetration is around 500mm which is quite good and enough for any armour or buildings faced in syria not sure about effective range but I'd think it's about 1km. Although not ideal situation for a 2S1 because of light armour but as we have seen many armoured vehicles in syria were given additional  caged armour/rocket screens no reason why they couldn't do the same to 2S1.

    Also note worthy that the great mobility and lighter weight the 2S1 would be ideal for artic conditions with or course additional artic upgrades crew heater etc.


    As for removing a calibre yes if you changed it to 120mm calibre you would only be removing it from the Russian forces but the defence companies would still have to produce it for foreign customers which will likely still be using for decades so hence that there's no immediate rush to get rid it as it's not as if the company selling it is suddenly going to discontinue it anytime soon some countries like Serbia have even just produced new systems using the calibre. And yes I know that other countries produce the calibre but why would a russian defence company want to miss out on sales lol.
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:44 pm

    According to some reports (southfront) the army will keep some 2S1 because of the experience in Syria. Good mobility. Amphibious.
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    Re: 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm

    Post  eehnie on Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:36 pm

    Caliber reduction is good in overall terms, but is something that requires a process of exhaustion by use, unlless a country wants to fall in additional costs.

    Unlike the 73mm and the 82mm, that are becoming basically weak for the old uses, in addition to redundant, and have a lower reserve of material in the arsenals, the 122mm remains modern, effective and powerfull enough to allow longer life in the Russian Armed Forces.

    Obviously the 2S1 will be the last 122mm weapon. With the exhaustion of the 2S1 Russia will reach the whole exhaustion of the 122mm caliber, but at this point Russia is obviously doing an analysis of which are their less modern artillery systems in order to use them until exhaustion and move forward.

    If I would have to rank the less modern, less effective and less powerful models present in the Russian Armed Forces (including not the models that I habitually mark in red, as totally exhausted or almost totally exhausted at this point) the 2S1 would not be fast in the list:

    1.- (M)T-12 100m: Usable only inside of the range of man-portable weapons. Towed artillery, unarmoured, lower mobility.
    2.- D-30 122mm: Towed artillery, unarmoured, lower mobility. Caliber redundant.
    3.- Nona-K 120mm:: Towed artillery, unarmoured, lower mobility.

    Marked in pink, likely total exhaustion by use in the mid-term (2021-2025?), if not before in some case.

    4.- Giatsint-B 152mm: Towed artillery, unarmoured, lower mobility.
    5.- Msta-B 152mm: Towed artillery, unarmoured, lower mobility.
    6.- 2S9 120mm: Armour under current standards.
    7.- 2S23 120mm: Armour under current standards.
    8.- 2S4 240mm: Crew unprotected during firing process.
    9.- 2S7 203mm: Crew unprotected during firing process.
    10.- 2S5 152mm: Crew unprotected during firing process.
    11.- 2S1 122mm: Caliber redundant.

    The exhaustion of the entire list, will be very likely a process of decades, unless massive wars. It is logical to see the 2S1 modernized, like to see modernized the 2S23, 2S4, 2S7 and 2S5. In overall terms the 2S1 is a very well balanced machine. The armour is barely over the current standars, but it has the necessary weight. Relatively massive turret, track system, low profile, all it makes the protection of the crew better than it seems. The firing system is also more modern than in other cases, exposing not the crew. Nothing falls under a level that makes risky its use under logical terms. The mobility remains good. The range is decent. The firepower is decent.

    It is an outstanding ballance for a machine that is not rare to remain at least until the late 2030s.
    And to note that the ballance for the 2S3 is even better.

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