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    Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Austin on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:40 pm

    No source but Khathi from mp.net mentioned
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:28 pm

    Khathi is quite accurate in his statements. So I trust it.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:54 pm

    From Oboronexpo 2014:

    New SNAR-10M1 1RL232-2M battlefield surveillance radar unveiled at Oboronexpo 2014 in Russia.

    At the Defense Exhibition Oboronexpo 2014 in Russia, NPO Strela presents a modernized version of the battlefield surveillance radar SNAR-10 (NATO code name Big Fred). The SNAR-10M1 (Russian name 1RL232-2M) is a mobile surveillance radar used to locate moving ground and sea-surface targets.



    «SNAR-10M1» is designed for location of moving convoys (rocket, artillery and mechanized units), single moving ground targets (tank, car, armored personnel carrier, group of people, single person), sea-surface targets (motor boat, ship, assault landing craft, etc.) and low-flying targets (helicopter, sports plane, UAV). High accuracy of location for targets and bursts of shells and mortar bombs allows the radar to be used for adjustment of own artillery fire.

    The radar system is equipped with modern intercommunication and external communication facilities for automated data transmission, and an autonomous navigation system with digital terrain maps and satellite navigation subsystem. Standard equipment of the SNAR-10M1 includes autonomous navigation facilities with GLONASS/GPS, digital terrain map, intercommunication and external communication facilities and data transmission equipment.

    The latest radar equipment and high-performance operator workstations enable reconnaissance and radar data processing for ranges up to 40 km.
    The radar system has the standard power supply system with a low-noise diesel power generator, an air conditioner, a heater and filtering/ventilation facilities providing comfortable working conditions in the crew compartment.

    The radar system is mounted on a standard MT-LB multipurpose tracked armoured vehicle. The hull of the MT-LB is all-welded steel armour with the crew compartment at the front, engine immediately behind the crew compartment on the left side and the troop compartment at the rear of the hull. The all-welded steel armour provides the occupants with protection from small arms fire and shell splinters.

    For its self-protection, the MT-LB is armed with a 7.62mm PKT light machine gun. The SNAR-10M1 has a crew of four soldiers and the radar system is able to operate autonomously up to 3 days.





    http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_snar-10m1_1rl232-2m_battlefield_surveillance_radar_unveiled_at_oboronexpo_2014_in_russia_1408145.html

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:54 am

    The main problem is that Kalashnikov is offering AK12 in the sense that it is a T-90AM... ie a T-72 with all the possible upgrades imaginable without starting again from scratch.

    the problem is that the AEK rifle isn't actually all that revolutionary and has been in competition with the AK for decades.

    It is not so much the T-90AM vs Armata, it is more like T-90AM vs the latest Ukrainian version of T-80 but that is made in Russia so you can't just make it as simple as picking the Russian one.

    In many ways it is also like aircraft in the sense that for most of the Soviet period MiG dominated the fighter market, but then Sukhoi came out with their Su-27 so after the end of the cold war the Su-27 had certain features that appeared to make it better than the MiG-29.

    Sukhoi became rich and strong through export dollars and MiG struggled.

    the situation today would be comparable to the Russian AF choosing the MiG-35 over the Su-35 just because they are sick of having Sukhoi dominate everything.

    In other words change from AK because they have had their time.

    Different sources will have their own bias... for all we know the person Khathi got the information from just doesn't like Kalashnikov.

    I have pictures of early model Ratnik with AN-94 so seeing current Ratnik with an AEK rifle does not mean anything.

    Another critical factor is that the AK12 is a family of weapons because there are several weapons that need replacing... does AEK offer all the weapon types too?
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:01 am

    And what specific models you speaking about from AK models that ought to be replaced by AEK in case with AEK goes as main weapon?

    We know assault rifles and shorter versions as AKS-74u and some versions for Special Forces, but what else you have in mind?
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:19 am

    New drone surveillance vehicle:

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:01 am

    We know assault rifles and shorter versions as AKS-74u and some versions for Special Forces, but what else you have in mind?

    There will likely be a LMG version of AK12 and the larger calibre models could be used as DMR or SVD replacements.



    This image shows the rifle, the carbine, the SMG, and the LMG... a 7.62 x 54mm or indeed a 6 x 49mm version would add a DMR version to the mix.

    That equates to the AK-74M, AK-105, AKS-74U, RPK-74M, and SVD.

    There is talk of a pistol too but I have not seen any images related to that yet.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:18 am

    MSC soon expects to complete the testing of the new active protection system for armored vehicles



    Zhukovsky (Moscow region), on August 14. ( ARMS-TASS ). JSC "SPC" Engineering Design Bureau "(MSC) in the near future Plans to Complete Testing of the New active protection system (KAZ) for Prospective armored Vehicles. Said in an exclusive interview with ARMS-TASS at "Oboronekspo 2014" today's general director - general Designer MSC Valery Kashin.

    "Those requirements that Nizhny Tagil / Corporation" Uralvagonzavod "- approx. ARMS-TASS / put forward a new active protection system differed significantly from that layout KAZ, which was made for the T-80 tanks - said Cashin. - As a result, it took a significant rearrangement the entire complex and conduct appropriate tests. "

    "I hope that in the near future trials will be completed," - he added.

    As Previously Reported ARMS-TASS, in the 1990s. the Largest Manufacturer of American armored Vehicles - the Company "General Dynamics Land Systems" (General Dynamics Land Systems) has Been Interested in the purchase of Russian KAZ "Arena". One of the Requirements of the American Side WAS required to Provide copies of Combat "Arena" for the Tests on the American Site. HOWEVER, the Russian Side refused to Take this Step, considering That as A Result of the transfer KAZ "Arena" for Testing in the United States will be lost series of sensitive technologies.

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/08/blog-post_85.html

    http://warfiles.ru/show-66381-kbm-v-blizhayshee-vremya-rasschityvaet-zavershit-ispytaniya-novogo-kompleksa-aktivnoy-zaschity-dlya-bronetankovoy-tehniki.html


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:18 pm

    Nice Interview

    MIC deputy chairman Oleg Bochkarev on the development of the defense industry in terms of sanctions

    http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/08/18/bochkarev/
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:01 am

    ^^^Thanks, will +1 when I have the opportunity.



    BTW, new secure communication system 'P-430' with apparently no analogues. Here's some key points:

    - Extreme ECM resistance with unique anti-jamming modes

    - VHF band, Satellite navigation (GLONASS/GPS)

    - 1,500 km range

    - Can be mounted on a wide range of wheeled (Typhoon, Tigr, Boomerang) and Tracked  vehicles (Kurganets, Armata, probably even Vityaz ATV).

    - Functionality from modularity, different communication set up for different purposes, while still maintaining high commonality.

    - Successfully passed state tests, most likely will be inducted.


    Holding DIC has developed a new range of secure communications for the Army
    Which has no analogues in Russian system presented at "Oboronekspo 2014»



    The exhibition "Oboronekspo 2014" instrument-United Corporation (DIC) has demonstrated a new complex of the P-430, consisting of field pomehozashchishchennyh multidirectional digital microwave radios. The complex, which has no analogues in Russia, developed by the group "Constellation".

    The unique system is designed for all levels of management of the armed forces and is able to operate reliably under enemy electronic countermeasures. The complex provides the deployment of networks and communication lines of up to 1,500 km with an interval of 40-50 km. P-430 can be mounted on an armored car and the base of the wheeled and tracked chassis, as well as stationary objects communication.

    "The uniqueness of the complex is provided by full-time job in the anti-jamming modes - unlike analog and digital radio stations, - said the director of the Department of Joint instrument-making corporation Alexander Kalinin. - Here is the whole set of tools applied exploration and immunity and provide results that are either not fully implemented in the other stations, or do they lack. "

    Within each relay station are satellite navigation (GLONASS, GPS), VHF radio service communications, as well as night-vision goggles. The complex P-430 has enhanced functionality and features through the use of new methods of encoding the signals, simultaneous dual-band frequencies, the use of anti-jamming modes and the use of rapidly deployable antenna support.

    Composition of communications equipment may vary depending on the functional purpose station. Base - Front channeling, power supply system, life support system, navigation system - in all versions is the same type.

    "This construction principle allows to increase the degree of commonality of products gives you the opportunity to complete a station on the basis of a set of necessary blocks" - says chief designer Ivan Malyshev.

    According to the designer, the complex has successfully passed the state tests, which resulted in the conclusion that this is the only real-life military domestic noise-free complex.

    P-430 system soon may become the basic equipment including digital noise-relay communication for all branches of the armed forces and law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation.


    http://rostec.ru/news/4514303

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:46 am

    Interview Andrei Zverev, General Director of JSC "Russian electronics"  ( In Russian use Translator )

    Development of the Russian military electronics

    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/arsenal/1381752-echo/

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:56 pm

    JANES

    Russian MoD to acquire large batch of GAZ-3344 ATVs

    Russia 'to double' size of airborne forces
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Mike E on Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:11 pm

    - Sweet! Those are some cool "ATVs"...
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:42 pm

    More details on new Man Portable Willow SAM


    New portable air defense missile system "Willow" began to enter the Russian Army




    MOSCOW, August 22. (ARMS-TASS). In the Russian army began to enter a new portable air defense systems (MANPADS), "Willow". About this ARMS-TASS reported today in Kolomna Research and Production Corporation "KBM" (MSC), which was created by the new weapons.
    According to the representative of MSC, in the moment, "Willow" is already armed Airborne Division and motorized infantry brigade of the Eastern District.


    On their tactical and technical characteristics of the complex 9K333 "Willow" is superior to all existing in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation MANPADS: 9K310 "Igla-1" 9K38 "Igla" 9K338 "Igla-S", as well as their foreign counterparts - the American "Stinger unit -1 'and Chinese QW-2.


    As explained in the company-developer of the complex, "Willow" - a new generation MANPADS, improved performance is based on the use of a fundamentally new trehspektralnoy homing (for "Needle-S" - dvuhspektralnaya) and a new instrument compartment. Had increased the sensitivity of the GOS increased its immunity. As a result, significantly expanded the affected area goals and increased efficiency of the complex at long range.


    One of the main advantages of "Willow" - high probability of defeat maloizluchayuschih targets like cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles, said the representative of MSC. These are the flying objects that are difficult to detect, but even more difficult to bring down.


    "In combat effectiveness in the world is set equal to" recruit ", - said the representative of MSC.


    The composition of MANPADS "Willow" includes: 9M336 missile, trigger 9P521, ground radar interrogator "- another's" 1L229V, mobile checkpoint 9V861, compact radar detector 1L122, 9S931 planning module, the module exploration and management 9S932-1, portable control module 9S933 fire (in the brigade included), built-in mounting kit 9S933-1 (on the division included) set automation gunners 9S935, training aids.


    Significantly improved quality, reliability complex, simplify maintenance. There is no need to conduct periodic checks of the troops with cooling GOS nitrogen. This made it possible to abandon the additional equipment, storage of nitrogen, save manpower.


    At the same time maintain a high continuity with previous MANPADS of the combat operation, operation, maintenance and training.


    Kolomenskoye MSC entered into a long-term contract with the Ministry of Defense for the supply of "Willow" and launched a full-scale production of the new MANPADS.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Cpt Caz on Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:25 am

    76th Division, correct? Interesting that in these photos none of them are wearing ballistic vests
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:05 pm

    Aren't those load bearing vests ballistic?


    And:


    As explained in the company-developer of the complex, "Willow" - a new generation MANPADS, improved performance is based on the use of a fundamentally new trehspektralnoy homing (for "Needle-S" - dvuhspektralnaya) and a new instrument compartment.

    "fundamentally new three spectrum homing (seeker)."

    "for "Needle-S" - Dual Spectrum (Seeker)"


    Significantly improved quality, reliability complex, simplify maintenance. There is no need to conduct periodic checks of the troops with cooling GOS nitrogen. This made it possible to abandon the additional equipment, storage of nitrogen, save manpower.

    The fact that it no longer uses nitrogen cooling and is a three band sensor suggests that Verba (Willow) uses an uncooled QWIP thermal sensor which will make it simpler to maintain and operate and with a longer sensor/detection range.

    As mentioned above this is critical for UAVs which often have a small IR signature to begin with and are more difficult to engage because they tend to fly high and are tough to spot/detect/lock.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Cpt Caz on Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:Aren't those load bearing vests ballistic?

    No, load bearing equipment doesn't offer ballistic protection, which is why usually its worn over a ballistic vest.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Austin on Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:Aren't those load bearing vests ballistic?


    And:


    As explained in the company-developer of the complex, "Willow" - a new generation MANPADS, improved performance is based on the use of a fundamentally new trehspektralnoy homing (for "Needle-S" - dvuhspektralnaya) and a new instrument compartment.

    "fundamentally new three spectrum homing (seeker)."

    "for "Needle-S" - Dual Spectrum (Seeker)"


    Significantly improved quality, reliability complex, simplify maintenance. There is no need to conduct periodic checks of the troops with cooling GOS nitrogen. This made it possible to abandon the additional equipment, storage of nitrogen, save manpower.

    The fact that it no longer uses nitrogen cooling and is a three band sensor suggests that Verba (Willow) uses an uncooled QWIP thermal sensor which will make it simpler to maintain and operate and with a longer sensor/detection range.

    As mentioned above this is critical for UAVs which often have a small IR signature to begin with and are more difficult to engage because they tend to fly high and are tough to spot/detect/lock.

    Thanks Garry for clarifying.

    So you mean Verba Seeker is based on QWIP or the targetting sensor of verba is of QWIP of Thermal Type.

    I suspect even the current Igla-S is deadly , I spoke in a defence exhibition to Russian contigent on Igla-S and he mentioned that it was not a digital system and hence not reprogramable on field and cannot deal with newer CM system.

    Verba I would assume is full digital system

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  acatomic on Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:52 pm

    I need a little bit of help in clearifing something

    GarryB wrote:


    Significantly improved quality, reliability complex, simplify maintenance. There is no need to conduct periodic checks of the troops with cooling GOS nitrogen. This made it possible to abandon the additional equipment, storage of nitrogen, save manpower.

    The fact that it no longer uses nitrogen cooling and is a three band sensor suggests that Verba (Willow) uses an uncooled QWIP thermal sensor which will make it simpler to maintain and operate and with a longer sensor/detection range.

    As mentioned above this is critical for UAVs which often have a small IR signature to begin with and are more difficult to engage because they tend to fly high and are tough to spot/detect/lock.

    What about this:

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:The missile furthest from the camera, in the first picture, and the one to the left, in the second picture, is claimed to be part of Verba (9K333).

    9M336 is claimed to be the designation for one of the missiles used by Verba.




    On the second picture we have Igla-1, Igla, Igla-S and soposedly Verba. If that's not Verba (on the left) what is it then?

    Thanks.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:16 am

    Cpt Caz wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Aren't those load bearing vests ballistic?

    No, load bearing equipment doesn't offer ballistic protection, which is why usually its worn over a ballistic vest.
    Whats the name for the vest? I thought it does have inserts?
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:33 am

    No, load bearing equipment doesn't offer ballistic protection, which is why usually its worn over a ballistic vest.

    Of course standard load bearing equipment does not offer ballistic protection, but this is one of the new Russian uniforms isn't it? Doesn't that integrate all sorts of things together including trauma plates in load bearing harnesses etc etc?


    So you mean Verba Seeker is based on QWIP or the targetting sensor of verba is of QWIP of Thermal Type.

    The targeting sensor and the seeker on Verba are the same thing, and yes, based on the article posted, yes I think it uses a QWIP type thermal sensor.

    I suspect even the current Igla-S is deadly , I spoke in a defence exhibition to Russian contigent on Igla-S and he mentioned that it was not a digital system and hence not reprogramable on field and cannot deal with newer CM system.

    Many of the targets it will be used against like UCAVs and light aircraft will not have sophisticated self defence capability... in fact in an anti cruise missile capability the target might not even know it is under attack till the missile hits it.

    Verba I would assume is full digital system

    I would assume so too.

    On the second picture we have Igla-1, Igla, Igla-S and soposedly Verba. If that's not Verba (on the left) what is it then?

    With the pointed nose the one on the right is definitely Igla-1, but the one on the far left is clearly not Verba.

    This is supposed to be Verba:

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Cpt Caz on Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Of course standard load bearing equipment does not offer ballistic protection, but this is one of the new Russian uniforms isn't it? Doesn't that integrate all sorts of things together including trauma plates in load bearing harnesses etc etc?

    Actually, taking a second look at the photos, it looks like they might indeed be wearing plates, but the newest Russian vests without any add-ons are so low-profile that its honestly hard to tell.  dunno
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:46 pm

    Cpt Caz wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    Of course standard load bearing equipment does not offer ballistic protection, but this is one of the new Russian uniforms isn't it? Doesn't that integrate all sorts of things together including trauma plates in load bearing harnesses etc etc?

    Actually, taking a second look at the photos, it looks like they might indeed be wearing plates, but the newest Russian vests without any add-ons are so low-profile that its honestly hard to tell.  dunno

    BTW I think I've seen your username on MP.net, the one with the Spike Spiegel/Cowboy Bebop avatar?

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