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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:36 pm

    dino00 wrote:Vann if was up to you, and because we all know how bad Putin is lol! , who should be the president of Russian Federation?
    What will he should do regard SYRIA?(just to Stay on toppic).

    I have been eagerly anticipating answer to this question for over a year now

    Curiosity is killing me lol1

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:29 am

    dino00 wrote:Vann if was up to you, and because we all know how bad Putin is lol! , who should be the president of Russian Federation?
    What will he should do regard SYRIA?(just to Stay on toppic).

    Syria is attacked only ,because is allied with Russia.. nothing more and nothing less.. also because
    Israel don't want any Iranian influence there.. So effectively Russia interest conflict with Israel interest there.
    And since Russia don't need anything from Syria , then is a serious mistake , to become allied to Syria..
    Russia is losing a lot of money in Syria and even giving S-300s air defenses for free ,since Syria can't pay them..

    Syria will be today like Jordan.. or like UAE or like Qatar if it was aligned with NATO.. a nation in peace and allowed to exist..  and the war in Syria will have NOT happened , had Russia did not put their noses there.. and encouraged
    Syria to imitate Jordan policies.. Hundreds of thousands lives saved..  Instead of Syria , Russia should have picked
    Egypt .. allowing Russia to block NATO from suez channel in case of war.. and block Saudis Oil shipment too.
    thats a much more bigger interesting target.. From Egypt Russia could have controlled the Mediterranean Sea..

    Thing is any nation Russia foolish convince to join Russia alliance will be on hit list of NATO and regime change.
    So Russia needs a policy that takes that into account .If Russia will become allied to a nation ,it will need to be ready to fight NATO to the ultimate consequences.. but What Russia is doing in Syria is shameful to say the least.
    allowing NATO to bomb their allies left center and right.. So Not only Russia is humiliated but also is losing soldiers and on top of that ,have to give for free everything.  So this is a fools policy what Putin have been doing. If he need a base for refuel.. Egypt or Mexico will have been much better. is a huge country and in a much more strategic place. and even better it will be CUba.. Russia should turn Cuba into a huge fortress and many big naval bases there.. So it can every day position its nuclear armed warships and bombers with hypersonic missiles very close to Washington DC.. that it will take only 3 minutes to reach Any part of Washintong DC.. that will truly tip the balance in Russia side and Russia condition for leaving Cuba should be Americans leaving Russian borders..
    This is how you develop strategy.. not by foolish wars ,that Russia wins nothing..but lose.




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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:37 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Vann if was up to you, and because we all know how bad Putin is lol! , who should be the president of Russian Federation?
    What will he should do regard SYRIA?(just to Stay on toppic).

    Syria is attacked only ,because is allied with Russia.. nothing more and nothing less.. also because
    Israel don't want any Iranian influence there.. So effectively Russia interest conflict with Israel interest there.
    And since Russia don't need anything from Syria , then is a serious mistake , to become allied to Syria..
    Russia is losing a lot of money in Syria and even giving S-300s air defenses for free ,since Syria can't pay them..

    Syria will be today like Jordan.. or like UAE or like Qatar if it was aligned with NATO.. a nation in peace and allowed to exist..  and the war in Syria will have NOT happened , had Russia did not put their noses there.. and encouraged
    Syria to imitate Jordan policies.. Hundreds of thousands lives saved..  Instead of Syria , Russia should have picked
    Egypt .. allowing Russia to block NATO from suez channel in case of war.. and block Saudis Oil shipment too.
    thats a much more bigger interesting target.. From Egypt Russia could have controlled the Mediterranean Sea..

    Thing is any nation Russia foolish convince to join Russia alliance will be on hit list of NATO and regime change.
    So Russia needs a policy that takes that into account .If Russia will become allied to a nation ,it will need to be ready to fight NATO to the ultimate consequences.. but What Russia is doing in Syria is shameful to say the least.
    allowing NATO to bomb their allies left center and right.. So Not only Russia is humiliated but also is losing soldiers and on top of that ,have to give for free everything.  So this is a fools policy what Putin have been doing. If he need a base for refuel.. Egypt or Mexico will have been much better. is a huge country and in a much more strategic place.



    What Putin should be doing instead is hand picking its allies more carefully ,nations that it will really be worth of
    fighting and of Russia sacrifice.. But Russia earns Nothing from Syria..it lose a lot of money and risking a major war for nothing.. No nation in their right mind after Syria will welcome Russia bases in their country , if it knows Russia will not defend them properly.. Russia needs to pick more carefully its allies , and aim for nations closer to Russia only.. until at least Russia economy becomes big enough to handle a counter to NATO.. with many bases around the world and with a powerful economy.


    Whole page of drivel and you still haven't answered the question Vann

    Who should be in charge of Russia according to you?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Whole page of drivel and you still haven't answered the question Vann

    Who should be in charge of Russia according to you?


    Someone that understand Leadership , someone not insecure and passive.
    Someone not outdated with the times he lives..  

    Some that was like Fidel castro ,or Chavez , those were leaders.. with big balls..
    they both were arrested trying to overthrow a corrupt tyranny in power in Cuba and
    Venezuela respectively. The problem with them ,was they did not had the military
    power to survive the attacks of the American empire..

    Putin is  insecure man.. he not even have eye contact and looks down to other leaders.. he speak softly and is polite.. this is a recipe for disaster ,Putin promote the disrespect of other nations..with his softness and
    polite behavior.. . NATO have been bombing Syria left and right ,only because of
    Putin weakness ,they know Putin will not attack them..  

    Putin is not a political leader..  but more a religious ethics mentor.. he is very good in diplomacy.. but diplomacy is only needed when the influence of a nation fails..  Don't know of many Russians..figures, to say names.. but anyone will do better than Putin ,in terms of nation development and influence for sure.. Russia needs another Catherine the Great.. an Ellon Musk ,A leader with ambitions . Promoting "Stability" as putin does ,is mediocre
    view of the future.. Russia needs a leader ,who wants to make Russia the leader in world development and highest quality of life in the world.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:00 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Whole page of drivel and you still haven't answered the question Vann

    Who should be in charge of Russia according to you?


    Someone that understand Leadership , someone not insecure and passive.
    Someone not outdated with the times he lives..  

    Some that was like Fidel castro ,or Chavez , those were leaders.. with big balls..
    they both were arrested trying to overthrow a corrupt tyranny in power in Cuba and
    Venezuela respectively. The problem with them ,was they did not had the military
    power to survive the attacks of the American empire..

    Putin is  insecure man.. he not even have eye contact and looks down to other leaders.. he speak softly and is polite.. this is a recipe for disaster ,Putin promote the disrespect of other nations..with his softness and
    polite behavior.. . NATO have been bombing Syria left and right ,only because of
    Putin weakness ,they know Putin will not attack them..  

    Putin is not a political leader..  but more a religious ethics mentor.. he is very good in diplomacy.. but diplomacy is only needed when the influence of a nation fails..  Don't know of many Russians..figures, to say names.. but anyone will do better than Putin ,in terms of nation development and influence for sure.. Russia needs another Catherine the Great.. an Ellon Musk ,A leader with ambitions . Promoting "Stability" as putin does ,is mediocre
    view of the future.. Russia needs a leader ,who wants to make Russia the leader in world development and highest quality of life in the world.

    Catherine the Great is dead

    Castro and Chavez are both dead and not Russian to begin with

    Musk is definitely not Russian and I don't see him being interested in the job even if he were one


    So will you just answer the fuc*ing question?

    Nobody reads your crap, we are just curious about the name so spit it out already

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Tingsay on Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:38 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Whole page of drivel and you still haven't answered the question Vann

    Who should be in charge of Russia according to you?


    Someone that understand Leadership , someone not insecure and passive.
    Someone not outdated with the times he lives..  

    Some that was like Fidel castro ,or Chavez , those were leaders.. with big balls..
    they both were arrested trying to overthrow a corrupt tyranny in power in Cuba and
    Venezuela respectively.  The problem with them ,was they did not had the military
    power to survive the attacks of the American empire..

    Putin is  insecure man.. he not even have eye contact and looks down to other leaders.. he speak softly and is polite.. this is a recipe for disaster ,Putin promote the disrespect of other nations..with his softness and
    polite behavior.. . NATO have been bombing Syria left and right ,only because of
    Putin weakness ,they know Putin will not attack them..  

    Putin is not a political leader..  but more a religious ethics mentor.. he is very good in diplomacy.. but diplomacy is only needed when the influence of a nation fails..  Don't know of many Russians..figures, to say names.. but anyone will do better than Putin ,in terms of nation development and influence for sure.. Russia needs another Catherine the Great.. an Ellon Musk ,A leader with ambitions . Promoting "Stability" as putin does ,is mediocre
    view of the future.. Russia needs a leader ,who wants to make Russia the leader in world development and highest quality of life in the world.

    So you are asking for a God?
    Please tell us Vann, Why is this God of yours not running for President???
    Putin isnt perfect. We're simply saying out of everybody else wanting to be the leader of Russia, he is the best.

    Problem with you is you actually don't understand how nations work. Leaders are nowhere near as powerful as you think they are, unless your a tyrant like kim jong un. If your going to attribute every failure in Russia to Putin, every bit of success should be attributed to him as well. (both are stupid)
    You live in fantasy world, a video game, were the "player" just needs to control things better in "Age of Empires III".  

    Russian problems among other things:
    -Russia is still suffering from USSR collapse
    -While it is recovering, the West pulls fast moves on it, like Ukraine
    -West continues to make moves against Russia
    -The communist "purges" are possibly one of the worst things to happen to Russia
    -Russia has a tiny population ( China is really not all that impressive if you can just imagine any nation having 1 billion people)
    -Lots of stupid people (cant fix stupid )

    So when will your God run for office so he can fix all the above in this Russian RTS game?
    And who is this?
    Please like papa said, give a name!
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  dino00 on Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:06 pm


    I understand what Vann7 means, i read it all, and dont think its crap.

    You want a stronger Leader...i dont know other powerfull free country That Has One.
    The difference between V. Putin and other presidents is you know who is the boss, there is nobody behind the curtains.
    The funny thing is that Russians see the best quality of Putin being strong!
    Was weak to take Crimea to where it belongs?
    Was weak to help east Ukraine?
    Was weak to free Abkasia and Ossetia?
    Was weak to stop Israel attacks?

    They want Russia to go war, but not with them.
    I expect a strong fist against what happened in Aleppo yesterday.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:04 pm

    Syria is attacked only ,because is allied with Russia.. nothing more and nothing less.. also because

    The conflict in Syria has nothing to do with Russia and everything with Iran.

    Syria is friendly with Iran.

    Musk is definitely not Russian and I don't see him being interested in the job even if he were one

    Careful not to offend him or he might call you a paedo...

    To Vann... by stronger leader you mean a hot head that over reacts and does not think... you want Trump to be the next Russian president.

    Thing is that Russia would have been at war for most of the time Putin has been president if it was a dick like you want him to be... Russia would be bankrupt and broken economically and politically and would be in a much worse state if you had your way so I guess it is rather good you wont be getting your way...
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:33 pm


    Rebel source:

    "Russia carrying out first airstrikes on west & south Aleppo countryside after pause of 75 days. Intense overflight of drones & warplanes over east part of Greater Idlib."

    https://mobile.twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1066649133866467329

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Syria is attacked only ,because is allied with Russia.. nothing more and nothing less.. also because

    The conflict in Syria has nothing to do with Russia and everything with Iran.

    Syria is friendly with Iran.

    Musk is definitely not Russian and I don't see him being interested in the job even if he were one

    Careful not to offend him or he might call you a paedo...

    To Vann... by stronger leader you mean a hot head that over reacts and does not think... you want Trump to be the next Russian president.

    Thing is that Russia would have been at war for most of the time Putin has been president if it was a dick like you want him to be... Russia would be bankrupt and broken economically and politically and would be in a much worse state if you had your way so I guess it is rather good you wont be getting your way...

    The conflict in Syria and Ukraine is 100% about Russia.. in both cases it was about weakening Russia energy business with Europe.. blocking the pipeline in Ukraine.. that Russia use to supply Europe.. and acreating a new pipeline from Qatar/Saudi Arabia to Europe bypassing Gasprom..  The israel thing.. is a bonus..  The real goal of NATO against IRAN is the same one , with Syria.. this are both pieces NATO needs IRAN and Syria in order to create an IRON fence around Russia.. If NATO takes control of IRAN ,there will be NATO warships in little time threatening Russia navy in caspian sea.. and from there they could block nuclear missiles mid course  fired to the south. Aside that by controlling IRAN oil ,more easily they can flood the market with Oil ,taking Oil prices down..
    something that will damage Russia economy.. .


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:48 am

    "Russia carrying out first airstrikes on west & south Aleppo countryside after pause of 75 days. Intense overflight of drones & warplanes over east part of Greater Idlib."

    Next message will likely be from terrorists showing HD footage of the poor children and schools and churches hit by evil Assad and the equally evil Russians with chem weapons in response to the fake chlorine attack that assad staged to look like the terrorists did it... bad Assad, bad Russians... they need more sanctions from the west.

    I doubt even people in western governments even believe this shit but it suits their anti Russian and anti Assad agenda so they don't bother to question... their big problem is what to do now that Syria has decent air defence measures in place...
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  nomadski on Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:37 pm


    During WW2 , the British public were issued with gas masks . In case of gas attack by Germans on civilian population . These masks were carried in khaki coloured shoulder bags . You probably remember seeing them in old war documentary movies . The Germans did not use gas in WW2 . Hitler had bad memories from this . The public later used these bags to carry sandwiches to work . Can Russia or Iran supply gas masks to vulnerable civilians in Syria ?

    Also simple civil protection can be put in place . Sirens to sound when attack takes place . A household can have a separated room . Insulated with plastic sheeting . For a family to escape into . All you need is plastic sheeting and duct tape . Can be quite effective . Block off windows and door . Stay until all clear is sounded .

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:49 pm


    Idiotic headline but pretty decent article:

    Russia Admits Its Missiles Failed Because Syria is a Desert

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-admits-its-missiles-failed-because-syria-desert-37402
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:20 am

    The key there is that Russia admits its weapons are not perfect... imagine a US commander even suggesting that.

    The Apache had enormous problems operating in a desert environment, while blackhawks are next to useless in most areas of Afghanistan where even with reduced fuel it has no usable payload capacity... and don't get me started on western rifles not coping well with the dust of the desert...

    Amusing that he said the more complicated a weapon the harder it was to deal with problems, yet suggested laser guided bombs be used instead of dumb iron bombs properly aimed...

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Idiotic headline but pretty decent article:

    Russia Admits Its Missiles Failed Because Syria is a Desert

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-admits-its-missiles-failed-because-syria-desert-37402


    Typical propagandist report from western media..
    In the night the wind is not strong and free fall bombs will hit in the targets ,taking into account wide deviation..

    Israel had no problem using free fall glide bombs with precision in Syria.. so the entire report is rubish..

    the major problem Russia faced was sand ,in the engines cause problems and this is normal.. They corrected

    the problem.. but Russia precision with their free fall bombs "did not failed " at all.. most of their intended

    targets were hit and saved a ton of money , that precision weapons cost..

    if Russia dropped 150,000 bombs in Syria from their airforce.. and all those bombs were
    Kaliber missiles worth of half a million dollar each .. Russia military will be bankrupt in little time..  
    So is idiocy to think any Russian defense industry expert will question the use of free fall bombs whenever
    is possible. have to be fake news ,imaginary reports ,of things Russia defense industry never told..  A free fall bomb will cost 1% or less of the cost of their precision weapons.. so is a no brainer.. to kill terrorist you don't need precision.. you flattern the entire place they are.. For precision ,Russia can use artillery guide munition that is cheaper than a cruise missile.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  nomadski on Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:16 am

    Syria needs to start manufacture and stockpile  of SRBM rockets . For retaliation against attack by zionists and yanks . Must make sure enough stockpile exists to make operations impossible at yank bases . These rockets need to be under Syrian only control . Russia providing pure defensive  measures west of river .

    The air defence provided for by Russia , can be effective against aircraft and some missiles . But attack against Syria can come by land or sea . A counterstrike capability is needed . As soon as western Syria is brought under government control . The oil wells east of river must be returned to Syrian control .

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:23 am

    nomadski wrote:Syria needs to start manufacture and stockpile  of SRBM rockets . For retaliation against attack by zionists and yanks . Must make sure enough stockpile exists to make operations impossible at yank bases . These rockets need to be under Syrian only control . Russia providing pure defensive  measures west of river .

    The air defence provided for by Russia , can be effective against aircraft and some missiles . But attack against Syria can come by land or sea . A counterstrike capability is needed . As soon as western Syria is brought under government control . The oil wells east of river must be returned  to Syrian control .

    The plan of NATO major powers is to flood northern Syria with foreigners... millions of them.. that are hostile to
    Assad and then force Syria government to run an election that includes Pro NATO fake Syrians ,now living in Northern Syria and also that includes Syrians in exile from all parts of the world. So effectively do something similar to what they did to hawaii.. that the locals became minority ,and the pro Americans factions took control of the land
    by cheating with population numbers.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:48 am

    W/o references, it's just ur speculation!
    They didn't try it in Afghanistan AFAIK.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:54 am

    W/o references, it's just ur speculation!
    They didn't try it in Afghanistan AFAIK.

    There would be no point in Afghanistan... even in the best of times the Afghan government rules Kabul... most of the time it can't even control that.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:57 pm

    The Northern Alliance controlled the N. part & NATO forces many other parts for ~3 years after the invasion. The puppet regime in Kabul started to loose a lot of territory since 2005-6:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Neotaliban_insurgency_2002-2006_en.png
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:32 am

    Yet at no time in the last 40 years has Kabul been safe from assassination, kidnapping, or bombs...

    Even when the Soviets were there in the 1980s most Afghans had no idea what was going on in Kabul or who was even in charge.... they just didn't give a shit because the government had no power outside of Kabul... and that will never change.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:06 am

    What makes you think so?

    Pre Islamic Afghanistan was quite developed for its time, had large cities etc. That Buddhas blown up by the Taliban took a lot of labor and ridiculous amount of time to create, societies in dire poverty dont make such things.

    All you need is a political agreement to stop the war plus foreign investment.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:19 am

    When they don't fight invaders, they fight each other. Gunfire salute is the first thing a male newborn Pushtun hears. The best solution is partition. It's an artificial state comprised of forsaken lands no1 could conquer & control, between the Persian, Russian, Chinese & British empires.

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