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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

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    Russin Black Sea Fleet research vessel 'Seliger' is still searching off the coast of Syria for wreckage of the Il-20M ELINT plane that was shot down by Syrian air defense on September 17th. The ship is equipped with manned and unmanned submersibles.




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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:14 am

    https://mobile.twitter.com/galandecZP/status/1049057439608459265

    Tunguska in syria !! Better suited for off road than pantsir.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:40 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/galandecZP/status/1049057439608459265

    Tunguska in syria !! Better suited for off road than pantsir.

    Tungushka??... odd choice.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  dino00 on Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:27 pm

    Three Russian S-300PM battalion sets delivered to Syria free of charge — source

    According to the source, along with the launchers Russia delivered more than 100 surface-to-air guided missiles for each battalion

    MOSCOW, October 8. /TASS/. Russia has donated to Syria three battalion sets of S-300PM missile systems of eight launchers each, a military diplomatic source told TASS on Monday.

    "On October 1, three battalion sets of S-300PM systems of eight launchers each were delivered to Syria," the source said

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1025020
    russia attack So way more than 4 launchers Very Happy

    24 launchers right?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  BKP on Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:07 pm

    ^Well, yeah, that Tass report is saying 24 launchers. Only question is, is that the straight dope? Obviously it differs from other recent statements.

    There was some other detail too:

    “On October 1, three battalion sets of S-300PM systems of eight launchers each were delivered to Syria,” TASS quoted the source as saying. “These systems were previously deployed at one of the Russian aerospace forces’ regiments which now uses the S-400 Triumf systems. The S-300 systems underwent capital repairs at Russian defense enterprises, are in good condition and are capable of performing combat tasks.”

    https://southfront.org/syria-got-three-s-300pm-battalion-sets-including-24-launchers-and-over-300-missiles-russian-state-media/
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:22 pm

    3 batallions with 100 missiles each ... Israel air force ~300 fighters. Those tunguska and pantsir will take care of cruise missiles while s-300 destroy those f-15/16.

    But if they destroy at least ONE f-35 it would ve worth the gift of those 3 systems as they would sell much more s-400.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:55 pm

    it's three divisions worth each one has eight launchers.

    so yes 24 S-300's in total.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:52 pm

    Does anyone know the price of 48N6E2 missiles ? When you think about it, 300 of them is not cheap.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  franco on Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:01 am

    BKP wrote:^Well, yeah, that Tass report is saying 24 launchers. Only question is, is that the straight dope? Obviously it differs from other recent statements.

    There was some other detail too:

    “On October 1, three battalion sets of S-300PM systems of eight launchers each were delivered to Syria,” TASS quoted the source as saying. “These systems were previously deployed at one of the Russian aerospace forces’ regiments which now uses the S-400 Triumf systems. The S-300 systems underwent capital repairs at Russian defense enterprises, are in good condition and are capable of performing combat tasks.”

    https://southfront.org/syria-got-three-s-300pm-battalion-sets-including-24-launchers-and-over-300-missiles-russian-state-media/

    What were you expecting in regards to the straight dope comment dunno

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:21 am

    So in summary.. how many Israeli planes , Syria S-300s defenses alone will be able to track and shot down
    at max at long ranges (~200k), at the same time , if Israel went crazy and sent all their 300 planes in a full scale attack  towards Syria ?  Can anyone provide the math of this ?   this is not including reloading of new missiles
    after the tube is empty... . but how many long range ~ 200km missiles Syria military will have ready to use at ~same time to counter a mass scale israel attack ,if confirmed that Syria will have 3 divisions?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:27 am

    Isos wrote:Does anyone know the price of 48N6E2 missiles ? When you think about it, 300 of them is not cheap.

    The Russians price the missiles has per battery etc they don't just sell one, they sell them has enough to fill the tubes but for an order of those missiles, 20M USD or so. That would get you enough to fill the tubes of one S-300.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:21 am

    Vann7 wrote:So in summary.. how many Israeli planes , Syria S-300s defenses alone will be able to track and shot down
    at max at long ranges (~200k), at the same time , if Israel went crazy and sent all their 300 planes in a full scale attack  towards Syria?  Can anyone provide the math of this?
    Their S-200 missiles should be added to these S-300, so there'll be more than enough of them to deal with the IAF. Besides, Russia probably has 100s of more S-200 missiles to give away.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  BKP on Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:48 am

    franco wrote:
    BKP wrote:^Well, yeah, that Tass report is saying 24 launchers. Only question is, is that the straight dope? Obviously it differs from other recent statements.

    There was some other detail too:

    “On October 1, three battalion sets of S-300PM systems of eight launchers each were delivered to Syria,” TASS quoted the source as saying. “These systems were previously deployed at one of the Russian aerospace forces’ regiments which now uses the S-400 Triumf systems. The S-300 systems underwent capital repairs at Russian defense enterprises, are in good condition and are capable of performing combat tasks.”

    https://southfront.org/syria-got-three-s-300pm-battalion-sets-including-24-launchers-and-over-300-missiles-russian-state-media/

    What were you expecting in regards to the straight dope comment dunno

    "Straight dope" is a slang term of North-American origin meaning, basically, "the truth" or "the true story." Recent statements have specified a delivery of 4 launchers. Now this Tass report is saying 24. So, what I was hoping for is posting of further reports and/or official statements that would corroborate the Tass story, capiche?? lol1


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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:48 am

    Thanks for the try .. but don't answer my question ..about (best case scenario) of how many planes at long ranges (150km -200km) ,supplied Syria S-300s can shut down at near same time.. If Israel went crazy and sent 300 planes towards Syria ,to attack.. and if true that Russia will give 3 divisions ? or whatever..


    In more news.. Russia developing Electro magnetic cannon..



    Posted this here.. because Syria will be the best place to test for Russia ,any new weapon.. in a real battlefield..
    against NATO and ISrael interference... so is very likely Russia have the weapon Already in Syria for testing purposes. at least on the Russian military base..

    This is antennas that destroy missiles ,fry electronics using powerful electro magnetic energy attacks..
    If this is true.. it can be used against Planes , Drones too..but also against tanks and terrorist or enemy special forces ,to fry their electronics ,and communications.. so will be totally blind. without knowledge of what to do next..
    and Russia is apparently working with a version to shut down satellites too.. according to the companies behind Russia electronic warfare deployed in Syria. when this systems becomes refined and perfected ,, will eventually replace all Russia air defenses..including S-300 and S400.. no longer needed.. if you can use energy weapons instead.. this is the future indeed..very good for Russia to be in the lead in this important technology for the military.. the final step will be deploy satellites armed with such energy cannons in space. this will eventually seal Russia airspace from ICBM and powerful nuclear attacks.. and cruise missiles can be taken down with Land deployed versions.. like the ones in the video.. above .



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  BKP on Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:59 am

    ^So then once this thing is deployed they could ashcan the S500 as well?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:18 am

    [quote="Vann7"]Thanks for the try .. but don't answer my question ..about (best case scenario) of how many planes at long ranges (150km -200km) ,supplied Syria S-300s can shut down at near same time.. If Israel went crazy and sent 300 planes towards Syria ,to attack.. and if true that Russia will give 3 divisions ? or whatever..


    In more news.. Russia developing Electro magnetic cannon..



    Posted this here.. because Syria will be the best place to test for Russia ,any new weapon.. in a real battlefield..
    against NATO and ISrael interference... so is very likely Russia have the weapon Already in Syria for testing purposes. at least on the Russian military base..

    This is antennas that destroy missiles ,fry electronics using powerful electro magnetic energy attacks..
    If this is true.. it can be used against Planes , Drones too..but also against tanks and terrorist or enemy special forces ,to fry their electronics ,and communications.. so will be totally blind. without knowledge of what to do next..
    and Russia is apparently working with a version to shut down satellites too.. according to the companies behind Russia electronic warfare deployed in Syria. when this systems becomes refined and perfected ,, will eventually replace all Russia air defenses..including S-300 and S400.. no longer needed.. if you can use energy weapons instead.. this is the future indeed..very good for Russia to be in the lead in this important technology for the military.. the final step will be deploy satellites armed with such energy cannons in space. this will eventually seal Russia airspace from ICBM and powerful nuclear attacks.. and cruise missiles can be taken down with Land deployed versions.. like the ones in the video.. above .



    ^So then once this thing is deployed they could ashcan the S500 as well?

    Russia is working with a cannon , (their EW companies claim this)
    that can shut down satellites in space ,frying their electronics. So if they can pull such a thing..
    it will eventually make obsolete any rocket technology to intercept missiles.. like S-400 or S-500 or any
    other.. there still the possibility of building missiles that resist microwave attacks.. but in that case ,NATO ,Ameicans will have to spend a fortune.. replacing all their Nuclear weapons inside their submarines.. scary
    the cost that will be.. and NATO cruise missiles will become destroyed way before they enter in the territory they intend to attack.. This is the holy grail in air defenses.. Very Happy the only last thing left.. will be Russia deploying
    those microwave electromagnetic antennas in space.. to target NATO or Israel nukes mid course.. This can be used against warships too , to disable their air defenses.. So Russia will be 100% safe ,from nuclear space attacks.. This also will be a nightmare for NATO satellites ,if Russia start harrassing them.. frying a little bit here or there , not enough to destroy all (to not raise suspicions that Russia did it) .but enough to significantly reduce NATO long range attacks , communications and collection of information and operations of drones. it can't be worse that this.
    Total neutralization of NATO capabilities to coordinate any major attack on Russia.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  LMFS on Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:16 pm

    Russian AD specialists pondering on the possibility of F-22s destroying the S-300 in Syria:

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-analysts-allege-s-300-system-can-detect-f-22-jets/
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  eehnie on Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:23 pm

    BKP wrote:^Well, yeah, that Tass report is saying 24 launchers. Only question is, is that the straight dope? Obviously it differs from other recent statements.

    There was some other detail too:

    “On October 1, three battalion sets of S-300PM systems of eight launchers each were delivered to Syria,” TASS quoted the source as saying. “These systems were previously deployed at one of the Russian aerospace forces’ regiments which now uses the S-400 Triumf systems. The S-300 systems underwent capital repairs at Russian defense enterprises, are in good condition and are capable of performing combat tasks.”

    https://southfront.org/syria-got-three-s-300pm-battalion-sets-including-24-launchers-and-over-300-missiles-russian-state-media/

    I do not think it difers from previous statements. It has been two related news.

    One related to the Syrian order of S-300 that has been completed (6? launchers, some of them delivered in 2013 and 4 delivered now). In the news about this part it was commented that the delivery of the remaining part of the contracted S-300 was only a part of the total measures to be adopted after the issue of the Il-20.

    And the other related to the donation to Syria of Russian material (24 launchers).

    The total amount of S-300 of the Syrian Armed Forces seems to be around 30.

    Obviously Russia has its own force, with its own armament.

    The sum of both means a geographically good shield for Russia against the nuclear threat from Israel.

    This is not only about the defense of Syria, it is also about the defense of Russia.

    PS: To note that Russia captured 38 S-300 lauchers from Ukraine in Crimea.

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:55 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    BKP wrote:^Well, yeah, that Tass report is saying 24 launchers. Only question is, is that the straight dope? Obviously it differs from other recent statements.

    There was some other detail too:

    “On October 1, three battalion sets of S-300PM systems of eight launchers each were delivered to Syria,” TASS quoted the source as saying. “These systems were previously deployed at one of the Russian aerospace forces’ regiments which now uses the S-400 Triumf systems. The S-300 systems underwent capital repairs at Russian defense enterprises, are in good condition and are capable of performing combat tasks.”

    https://southfront.org/syria-got-three-s-300pm-battalion-sets-including-24-launchers-and-over-300-missiles-russian-state-media/

    I do not think it difers from previous statements. It has been two related news.

    One related to the Syrian order of S-300 that has been completed (6? launchers, some of them delivered in 2013 and 4 delivered now). In the news about this part it was commented that the delivery of the remaining part of the contracted S-300 was only a part of the total measures to be adopted after the issue of the Il-20.

    And the other related to the donation to Syria of Russian material (24 launchers).

    The total amount of S-300 of the Syrian Armed Forces seems to be around 30.

    Obviously Russia has its own force, with its own armament.

    The sum of both means a geographically good shield for Russia against the nuclear threat from Israel.

    This is not only about the defense of Syria, it is also about the defense of Russia.

    PS: To note that Russia captured 38 S-300 lauchers from Ukraine in Crimea.

    i dont think S-300 or even S-400s provide a good defense against multi entry warheads ballistic missiles..
    equip with a hundred of decoys ,fired from Israel .,You need at least s-500s for that and and probably nuclear armed warheads too .. to get rid of any missiles and decoys too.. the only deterrence Russia have in Syria to deter israel from any nuclear attack, is Russia own nuclear weapons. and strong warnings of retaliation from Russia military to Israel..

    In other news.. is being told in israel media ,saw it in sputnik news ,in discussions about S-300..
    that NEtanyahu did not got what he wanted ,when visited Trump. after his airforce ambushed the Russian plane..
    So US will not shield Israel in a confrontation with Russia.. They will have to fight alone ,if choose to pick a fight with Russia.. whenever Israel gets in trouble ,goes running to US daddy  for protection from Russia..  Laughing
    THey know ,they alone will be doomed in a fight with Russia. The only thing Israel will get is more F-35 that later
    Russia or Syria will easily shoot down.. Smile
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  eehnie on Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:07 pm

    Lol Vann, you seriously think Russia has not defense against ballistic missiles until to finnish the development of the S-500?

    The entire combined Russian-Syrian air defense systems deployed in Syria would leave very few to pass from Israel toward Russia.

    Russia is significantly ahead of what you are saying in this topic.


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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:46 pm

    LMFS wrote:Russian AD specialists pondering on the possibility of F-22s destroying the S-300 in Syria:

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-analysts-allege-s-300-system-can-detect-f-22-jets/

    Too bad there are no estimates on detection range.

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:19 pm

    eehnie wrote:Lol Vann, you seriously think Russia has not defense against ballistic missiles until to finnish the development of the S-500?

    The entire combined Russian-Syrian air defense systems deployed in Syria would leave very few to pass from Israel toward Russia.

    Russia is significantly ahead of what you are saying in this topic.

    Ballistic nuclear intercontinental missiles is a whole new game in complexity for interception..
    I dont think Americans or NATO have anything to stop an ICBM like Yars or Bulava ballistic nuke on its final phase..
    Because in the final phase each ballistic missiles can transform into hundreds of targets.. between decoys and multi entry warheads.. and nukes don't need to hit the ground or even come close to any city to destroy it.

    US and NATO and Israel have mid course interceptors ,that can do the job.. in the most easier part of the
    ballistic trajectory.. that is mid course.. when the missile warhead have not yet split.. with the hundred of decoys..

    Russia have Nuclear interceptors in moscow , that can defeat nukes.. but it remains to be seen how practical is
    this..to intercept more than one ballistic nuke.. since never have been used against a real nuclear attack.. from NATO.. a massive attack of nuclear missiles will be impossible to stop.. whether is Russia or NATO or Israel.. you can't stop that.. with traditional hit to kill ,system. and if you use nukes to stop nukes ,you can blind your own radars.. from secondary following nuclear attacks..

    All said Russia needs mid course interceptors... to intercept nukes in the most vulnerable part of the travel to guarantee it will be able to stop nuclear missiles before they split in many targets in final trajectory . Russia S-500 apparently will have early mid course interception.. but is unlikely Russia will deploy such technology in Syria allowing NATO or Israel to spy on it..so to counter Russia defenses..

    So Russia deterrence to NATO or ISrael ,in Syria about any attack with nukes.. will be Russia own nuclear weapons.. warnings of retaliation if they do that. the good news however is that russia is developing Laser cannons and radio electromagnetic antennas that will destroy missiles. burn their electronics... ,that could be a game changer big time.. and for real cover any territory from nukes attacks.. it depends on how powerful are the energy weapons.. Russia also will need to deploy Energy weapons in space.. to intercept mid course missiles.

    So right now Russia is vulnerable in Syria to ICBMs.. but in the near future Russia have a big chance to completely defend cities from nuclear attacks..

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:21 am

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    Post  eehnie on Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:01 am

    Vann, you are talking about mid course interception.

    not realizing that in a fly of a nuclear ballistic missile from Israel to Russia, the fly over Syria is not even mid course, but initial course?

    S-400, S-300 and the rest of Russian and Syrian air defenses and electronic warfare based in sea, land and air platforms deployed in Syria would be doing early course interception in the case of nuclear attack from Israel to Russia, controlling the missiles even since the launch moment in almost all the territory of Israel.

    At this point Russia and Syria have better armament in Syria to impose a no-fly zone to Israel and the US over Israel, than Israel and the US to impose a no-fly zone to Syria and Russia over Syria.

    As commented, Russia is far ahead of what you are comenting here.

    And also as commented, in the new stage of open fronts of the war, air defenses are much more important for Russia and Syria than aviation.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:34 am

    The United States retained troops in Syria to justify the war with Iran?
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2495003.html

    Maybe not, but to take control of the oil fields in that corner of newly formed Sunnistan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnistan,_Shiastan_and_Kurdistan

    W/o oil, they wouldn't be there. Assad wants to kick them out, but I'm afraid it won't be that easy.
    If China sends her sworms of "volunteers" there like she did in Korea, to kill all those US supported rebels, then it will become clear to the US that it's time to pack up & go home, lest they become next. OTH, if Iran &/ RF & US directly clash in the ME, good luck to those US soldiers in Syria!

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