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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:17 am

    Now on way home. Wonder what they brought to Syria.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:53 pm

    How about this then! Only been a few times when there were more airframes at Hmeimen than now.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 01, 2018 9:22 am

    The situation could change if they go ahead with the plan to replace the US troops with an Arab coalition in East Syria...Pompeo just mentioned the plan again, so it seems they're seriously considering it.....although it soesn't make much sense to me

    Hahahaaha... heard some Saudi guy say Qatar should send some troops to Syria to help out the US to justify the big US base in Qatar.... I seem to remember the Qatar official saying no way....
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  BKP on Tue May 01, 2018 3:12 pm

    Russians (SSO?) guarding Suheil. Also, Russian military police entering Dumayr, Eastern Qualamoun


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Tue May 01, 2018 4:56 pm



    Anna news deserve all the international awards of best coverage of the entire Syrian conflict.
    and of the Ukraine conflict. Best war media hands down. the risk they had to endure is unbelievable.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 01, 2018 7:28 pm

    Don't remember deck trucks etc being covered up like this before even through the winter. Russians tired of showing everyone what is going or storms expected on the journey?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  auslander on Tue May 01, 2018 10:31 pm

    Hmmm. Weather is grand from this end of the Sea at least to Istanbul and maybe further. Interesting. A lot of them look like BTR's...maybe.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Wed May 02, 2018 1:54 am



    I really think is the time for Russia to take off their gloves... and declare a full no fly zone in all parts of Syria..
    Because neither Israel ,neither US and closest allies will backdown in their attempts to partition Syria...
    and more because the real aim of all this policies of US and Israel is not Syria or IRAN .. but Russia instead.
    Israel is bombing in Syria without any care for Russian lives... and this should be seen as an act of war and not
    in any other way.. Russia should tell Israel that its airforce and Air defenses will destroy hostile Israeli planes that
    targets Syria again.. Threatening the security of its soldiers. That will make Nutanyahu to backdown.. he knows he
    stand no chance in a fight with Russia.. if Putin give the ultimatums to Netanyahu.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 02, 2018 7:27 am

    The situation could change if they go ahead with the plan to replace the US troops with an Arab coalition in East Syria...Pompeo just mentioned the plan again, so it seems they're seriously considering it.....although it soesn't make much sense to me

    Well first of all lets face facts... when we talk about US troops... we are talking small groups of special forces that command and direct local terrorist forces against Assads forces... we are not talking about US divisions operating in Syria.

    So the question is... does this mean US special forces will leave and be replaced by regular ME forces, or ME special forces?

    Either way Assads progress in destroying enemy forces to bring them to the negotiating table would be easier if they were supported by expendable ME spec ops instead of US spec ops... not suggesting that earth and sky would be moved to save US spec ops... to a big degree they are expendable too.... to the Clintons and Obamas and Trumps of the world... there wont be any troops there with Clinton or Obama or Trump on their name badge...

    Removing US troops and parking Arabs there means that 555st will be going on a rampage the moment those Arabs fire a first bullet in general direction of SAA

    Unlike USA, Arabs don't have nuclear extinction clause covering their asses and that is why I think that they are unlikely to replace USA, it would be like delivering East Syria on a silver platter to SAA

    Do you think these newly revealed Russian UCAVs might get some operational testing soon... or should I say more testing...

    they wont take down a carrier, but they can hit that white range rover with all the antenna on it from a distance where the target wont even see the supersonic missile coming and certainly wont hear it.... boom HE is rather more effective than HEAT in this case...

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 02, 2018 4:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:.......
    Removing US troops and parking Arabs there means that 555st will be going on a rampage the moment those Arabs fire a first bullet in general direction of SAA

    Unlike USA, Arabs don't have nuclear extinction clause covering their asses and that is why I think that they are unlikely to replace USA, it would be like delivering East Syria on a silver platter to SAA

    Do you think these newly revealed Russian UCAVs might get some operational testing soon... or should I say more testing...

    they wont take down a carrier, but they can hit that white range rover with all the antenna on it from a distance where the target wont even see the supersonic missile coming and certainly wont hear it.... boom HE is rather more effective than HEAT in this case...

    Definitely IMO

    Given their size and armament they are clearly army drones, stand-ins for light attack aircraft like Super Tucano, Texan 2 or Utva Lasta with the advantage of not having to risk pilots and being dirt cheap and expendable in comparison

    I would say that once they get presented on parade they will be put to work the moment Idlib goes hot and it will be perfect environment for them given how packed with targets that place has gotten thanks to all the deals and hobo transfers

    Unless there is another big deal in idlib whole place will be getting spammed by those drones soon (maybe even all three types simultaneously) on top of everything else
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed May 02, 2018 5:20 pm

    With ships and planes coming g and going seems to be a big rush on supplies. Rumours of extra Pantsir and Tor. But in the al masdar article they hint at
    BTR 80. Surely Russia can't have exhausted it's stocks of BTR 60 & 70. Also the big haul of armour recently captured although I think most of it was tanks and bmp-1. Will be interesting to see what it is. But yeah there trying to hide whatever it is normally no tarpaulin sheets.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 02, 2018 6:23 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:With ships and planes coming g and going seems to be a big rush on supplies. Rumours of extra Pantsir and Tor. But in the al masdar article they hint at
    BTR 80. Surely Russia can't have exhausted it's stocks of BTR 60 & 70. Also the big haul of armour recently captured although I think most of it was tanks and bmp-1. Will be interesting to see what it is. But yeah there trying to hide whatever it is normally no tarpaulin sheets.

    They definitely didn't exhaust BTR 60 and 70, not even close, we had that post about just one reserve storage and that place alone had enough for decent sized war

    They usually don't put tarps over vehicles but those vehicles you seen so far are always trucks, not IFVs
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Thu May 03, 2018 12:58 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    They usually don't put tarps over vehicles but those vehicles you seen so far are always trucks, not IFVs
    Pretty sure I've seen IFCs etc on deck and uncovered before, probably last year. They are probably more water resistant than the trucks, especially if they stuff a cork in the gun barrel Smile.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Thu May 03, 2018 10:21 am

    A su-30Sm crashed in Syria !!! Both pilots died.

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201805031064108502-russia-su30-syria-crash/

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 03, 2018 10:41 am



    I will not be surprised if the planes were Shot down... and Russia hiding this..
    Supposedly a "bird" .. and the most crazy thing is that none eject from their seats.. something
    that we have seen Russian combat jets can do all the way to the last minute.. before they crash..
    This does not make any sense.. why would they don't eject from the plane? No

    What is clear is that we will know for sure in a day or two..

    Not by What Russia Gov or military says.. but by any chain of events.. in relations between US ,its allies ,Israel or Russia.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Thu May 03, 2018 10:44 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    I will not be surprised if the planes were Shot down... and Russia hiding this..
    Supposedly a "bird" .. and the most crazy thing is that none eject from their seats.. something
    that we have seen Russian combat jets can do all the way to the last minute.. before they crash..
    This does not make any sense..  why would they don't eject from the plane?   No

    What is clear is that we will know for sure in a day or two..

    Not by What Russia Gov or military says.. but by any chain of events.. in relations between US ,its allies ,Israel or Russia.

    It crashed shortly after take off above the sea. They say it was a bird strike. There are pictures in the link I posted.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 03, 2018 10:54 am



    is this the first time Russia lose a Su-30 in accident?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Thu May 03, 2018 11:03 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    is this the first time Russia lose a Su-30 in accident?

    I don't know. It's a big lose however. They don't have lot of them.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu May 03, 2018 11:20 am

    How can a bird bring down SU-30? A bird?????

    No, I think it was shot down and Russia is hiding it in order to save face.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 03, 2018 11:24 am

    Isos wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    is this the first time Russia lose a Su-30 in accident?

    I don't know. It's a big lose however. They don't have lot of them.

    well they don't have a lot of them.. but neither very few.. according to wikipedia
    Russia have 100 Su-30 since 2018.. and have up to 116 in 2020. So is a descent level force..
    Still one plane is one plane.. a major loss.

    Interestingly India have the largest Su-30 airforce in the world.. no less than 240 planes..
    more than twice the inventory of Russia..
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Thu May 03, 2018 11:26 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:How can a bird bring down SU-30? A bird?????

    No, I think it was shot down and Russia is hiding it in order to save face.

    It goes Inside the engine and destroys it, the plane is then runing on one engine which is not on the center so the plane is really difficult to control. The incident happened at the take off so the it was at low altitude. There was people watching it and took pictures and they say they didn't saw any fire so it was not shot down.

    It also happened near the air base where russian control the ground and the air. So it is unlikely that it could have been shot down.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 03, 2018 12:55 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:How can a bird bring down SU-30? A bird?????

    No, I think it was shot down and Russia is hiding it in order to save face.

    It goes Inside the engine and destroys it, the plane is then runing on one engine which is not on the center so the plane is really difficult to control. The incident happened at the take off so the it was at low altitude. There was people watching it and took pictures and they say they didn't saw any fire so it was not shot down.

    It also happened near the air base where russian control the ground and the air. So it is unlikely that it could have been shot down.

    You actually don't know that... If that plane was shutdown...by another enemy country.. the most natural
    thing Russia will do is say anything "was a bird" to earn time , so that Putin can discuss with its Generals ,what they will do next.. instead of having people in the streets demanding retaliation...  So is possible it was an accident.. but you can't discard it was shot down by Israel ,in a backstab attack.. as Turkey did.. ie. A dog fighting that ended bad for Russia. The explosion as "proof" of plane crash could be anything.. The previous days ,and week have been the most tense in the entire Syrian conflict.. Just 20 hours ago Israeli planes were flying low over lebanon. a couple of times .it was reported by wael.. provoking Russia.. but if a Russian plane is shotdown it will be impossible to hide ,if it happens near Lebanon.. or Syrian territory. So videos will have shown ,showing some different story.. in any case..
    in any case ,regardless of what happened..Found an excellent post in SPutnik that summarize important things i have been saying.. for long..

    from Sputnik forums..



    Dragan Radulovic · Bela Crkva
    Russia has been suffering more and more casualties due to the unpreparedness of Russian leadership to name a spade 'the spade,' and fully engage in the war imposed at Russia.

    The Russian indecisiveness has become notorious and an ultimate reason for concern (recall two-time withdrawal from Syria and Mr Lavrov's statements about our 'western colleagues and partners'). Additionally, the idea of saving this summer World Football Cup at any price may end in devastating consequences for Russia.

    It's high time for Russians to get aware the West has been waging an all-out war at Russia aiming her total destruction including the annihilation the Russians as a nation. 'Western partners' are convinced to have all technical abilities to achieve the goal and they will stop at nothing.


    One of the things is really disgusting to see ,is how Russia LAVROV try to continue "hoping" US comes to its senses...
    when they experience NO NEGATIVE consequences from Bombing Syria. and have been trying to destroy Russia ,as soon the COld war "ended". by attacking Yugoeslavia ,Serbia , arming chechen terrorist , revolutions in Georgia ,Ukraine , Syria... and sanctions and sabotage to Russia economy.. the west is at war with Russia.. and is not a time
    for Russia to pretend it can influence Americans elite in any way.. Syria and ukraine were attacked only to harm Russia. and this can't be ignored.

    Russia is taking a HUGE RISK , in hosting the FIFA 2018 ,in times US,UK and ISrael are close to a war with Russia.
    And another mistake is Putin reducing the miltiary budget.. in times a war with NATO major powers seems inevitable.
    hopefully the west ,will not try anything ,but Russia did risk mass scale riots in Russia and terrorist attacks..fires in malls, sabotage by US NGOS.... etc FIFA will become a major issue for Russia policies .
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu May 03, 2018 1:25 pm

    RIP to another 2 pilots. Like 99% of Russian casualties in the war are accidents. Orion E can't come soon enough. Russian pilots shouldn't even be up there in the sky. Just use UCAV.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 03, 2018 1:29 pm

    Vann7 wrote:.....
    I will not be surprised if the planes were Shot down... and Russia hiding this............


    And nobody was surprised when it turned out that you are full of shit as always

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu May 03, 2018 5:36 pm

    Well freak accidents happen the Russians also crashed a Panstir S1 today also.

    when they have accidents they come in spades tho the panstir can easily be repaired.

    The real question is why didn't the pilots eject from the SU-30 they should have been able to realize it was a lost cause, the loss of the aircraft is understandable the loss of the pilots isn't. that could have been easily avoided.

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