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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:30 am

    An-124 landed at Latakia



    2 x An-22's were reported to have landed yesterday
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:52 pm

    Russian guards still in place

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:41 am

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:43 pm

    Getting closer


    Private Joker
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    S-300 systems from Ru Armed Forces inventory to be delivered under 'military-technical assistance', free of charge, because Syria doesn't have the money to pay.
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    Private Joker Retweeted Коммерсантъ

    Acc. to @kommersant , the decision to supply S-300 SAM systems to Syria has been taken by Ru authorities, delivery expected 'very soon':

    С-300 нацелились на Сирию // Дамаск может получить российские ЗРК совсем скоро


    https://twitter.com/kommersant/status/988159013031464963

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:01 pm

    Chapter OPCW: The substance that was poisoned by the Violins could be produced in any country!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhGLJ82rAFs
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:32 pm

    Austin wrote:Chapter OPCW: The substance that was poisoned by the Violins could be produced in any country!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhGLJ82rAFs

    Skripal =/= Violin in Russian. This is not even a translator issue. This is some hack vocabulary mapping.
    The actual Russian word for violin is skripka. It is likely that Skripal is not even a derivative of the word
    for "played the violin" but just has some similarity. You get such coincidences all the time.

    As for the OPCW, no sh*t Sherlock.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  nomadski on Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:20 pm

    I understand why it was not Russia air defence that intercepted yank cruise missiles . And I understand why there were no Russian soldiers that were killed in attempted crossing of river . And why there may not be in future in Syrian war any Russian that fires on yank .

    But if Syria is being attacked by them . Then Syrian military can fire back . They can say they got killed. They can say that they killed . Only if they had the means .

    So Russia can give the means . Not just defence . But offensive weapon . Better to fire ten anti - ship missiles and sink two ships than fire hundred SAM , to hit seventy cruise missile . Better to mine the Pass at Gibraltar to close it against yank ship...... ( intelligent mine recognise sound of each ship ! ) with a couple of mines , than fire ten anti - ship missiles.....

    As long as Syrian are pulling trigger . Then Russia has plausible deniablility . Time to go on the attack . And supplies can be brought in by Russian ships for cargo . Both civilian and military goods . And if Turkey and Iran played smart , they also open supply route through north Syria and Iraq . To push yank out of Syria . And save us all from war .


    I thought that anti - ship missiles can be equipped with less than lethal charge . Once a ship is hit , then no deaths occur . So no reason for yank to seek revenge . But ship can be " damaged " , needing repair . At least the captain thinks so . Must return ......home .


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:15 am



    Russia’s air defenses destroy targets heading towards Khmeimim in Syria

    https://www.rt.com/news/425031-russia-syria-base-air-defense/




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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:41 am

    And why there may not be in future in Syrian war any Russian that fires on yank .

    HAhahahaha... if a Russian special forces guy sees some yanks in his sights of course he will put his safety on and do nothing.... right...

    I would suggest that a lot of the Russian cruise missiles strikes and bomb attacks have killed plenty of western special forces all over Syria helping their terrorist allies, but if the west wants to attack empty buildings no where near Russian positions or interests... why would Russia want to escalate this?

    If the west wants to spend money on cruise missiles and are using those missiles to move around sand in Syria Russia would be very pleased... that is less money for things that really threaten Russia...

    As long as Syrian are pulling trigger . Then Russia has plausible deniablility . Time to go on the attack .

    You need to ask yourself why they only fired 105 missiles and only hit three empty targets... what sort of message does that really send?

    Perhaps they planned to fire 300 missiles but Russia said if you keep firing missiles we will start responding by attacking launch platforms... perhaps that is why they only fired 105.

    We have already seen the only real important result of the attack is that Syria is going to get old Russian Army S-300 batteries as they are retired and replaced by S-400 systems in Russia... I bet Assad is dancing in his underwear....

    Hahahaha... regarding that video... interesting that it ignored some very important points...

    First of all 105 missiles for three targets?

    They expected missiles to not make it...

    Second, the BUK system that Syria had wasn't the original SA-11 version from the Cold War, it is the upgraded SA-17 with the shorter main wing structures... both systems were intended to engage cruise missiles... the newer model can engage ballistic targets too.

    The version the Syrians had in service could engage cruise missiles out to 12km... unlike the older model it can also engage targets on the ground too including ships.

    the kill probability for the BUK version in Syrian service against cruise missile type targets is given as 0.7-0.8.

    The performance for KUB against cruise missile targets is given as 0.3-0.4.

    With 40 Pantsirs there as well, 71 kills sounds pretty much what I would expect... if they were going to lie, why not 90 percent kills?

    This is what the upgrades for these missile systems are for, and OSA was known during Desert Storm to be effective against low slow targets.

    Russia’s air defenses destroy targets heading towards Khmeimim in Syria

    But without evidence we can't believe that either... Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:25 am

    First of all 105 missiles for three targets?

    There was more targets but as they didn't reach them they had to say the only targets were those that were hit. No one beleives that they lunch 70 cruise missiles against 3 building, that just stupid.

    Just look how long they needed to say what they attacked. They should have said one hour after the attack but no they waited to see what targets were hit. French said it was a completed mission but they lunched12 missiles instead of 16 which means they failed and that they are liars.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:29 am

    Should add regarding that video... cruise missiles are difficult targets because of lack of warning and difficult detection... The Russians used S-400 battery radars and S-300V4 radars and airborne A-50U to provide the Syrian Air Defence forces warning of the attack... if you take away surprise and you cue the batteries to where the threats are coming from of course they will do better than expected, which explains the better than expected performance of BUK and Pantsir, but also for the other upgraded systems too.

    The US claims none were shot down is totally unbelievable as it suggests three targets got hit by 105 missiles... bullshit.

    There was more targets but as they didn't reach them they had to say the only targets were those that were hit. No one beleives that they lunch 70 cruise missiles against 3 building, that just stupid.

    No. They said they launched 105 missiles and no missiles were intercepted and 100% complete success, so they claim none of the missiles failed... all of them hit the three targets... which is bullshit.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:15 am

    The Russians used S-400 battery radars and S-300V4 radars and airborne A-50U to provide the Syrian Air Defence forces warning of the attack

    They should really start producing a smaller AWACS. Ground radar are very limited against low flying cruise missiles and I don't think russian S-400 detected anything because the missile never went Inside their operating range.

    A-50 is a big one, something smaller like a Yak-44 or a SSJ 100 size Aircraft would be cheaper to operarte and they could buy lot of them. It is also a better tool to detect lunch plateforms like those bombers and cruiser USA used. They could even equip them with two R-37 with active radar homing to Attack them.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:11 pm


    Interesting article and comments with current US view on EW in Syria. That is they don't like it and they are not seeing the full version.

    The Compass Call is supposed to be one of America’s foremost electronic warfare weapons, but the EC-130s flying near Syria are being attacked and disabled “in the most aggressive EW environment on the planet,” the head of Special Operations Command said here today.

    “Right now in Syria we are operating in the most aggressive EW environment on the planet from our adversaries. They are testing us everyday, knocking our communications down, disabling our EC-130s, etcetera,” Gen. Raymond Thomas told an audience of some 2,000 intelligence professionals.


    https://breakingdefense.com/2018/04/russia-widens-ew-war-disabling-ec-130s-in-syria/
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:19 pm

    They should really start producing a smaller AWACS. Ground radar are very limited against low flying cruise missiles and I don't think russian S-400 detected anything because the missile never went Inside their operating range.

    Meh... cruise missiles are slow... detecting them at 20km or 200km means a Pantsir or BUK will be operating and ready when the cruise missile is within missile range.

    If the cruise missile is travelling at about 800km/h then it takes about minute and a half to cover about 20km... that is plenty of time to detect and engage a target... with an airborne platform giving you warning when the missile is 200km away that is a quarter of an hour warning...

    Having more AWACS aircraft would be nice, but hardly essential... you could simply position a soldier with a radio 40km away from the target... north, south, east, west and the coordinates in between (ie NW, SW, WE, NE) and have them radio if a low flying jet engine blows past... that would give you three to four minutes warning and a direction to look...

    “Right now in Syria we are operating in the most aggressive EW environment on the planet from our adversaries. They are testing us everyday, knocking our communications down, disabling our EC-130s, etcetera,” Gen. Raymond Thomas told an audience of some 2,000 intelligence professionals.

    Hahahahaha... it is not fair when the third world targets can fight back... of course it might be ISIS...


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:22 pm

    Russians showing a whole Bullpup warhead (looks like a SAP) intact. Told you, if they wanted to put up a show, they would do exactly this. They have enough TLAM's in their archives to put out. But these are weirdly accurate.

    Also, they are BSing really really hard. I like this trolling.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:13 pm

    Russian Military Shows Wreckage Of Missiles Intercepted In Syria, Says Two Unexploded Missiles Delivered To Moscow



    More info and screenshots in link
    https://southfront.org/russian-military-shows-wreckage-of-missiles-intercepted-in-syria-says-two-unexploded-delivered-to-moscow/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:22 pm

    Where are all the trolls now hiding? that were saying Russia "did not" intercepted any of NATO missiles? lol1



    Colonel-General Rudskoy added that according to the updated data only 22 missile hits on targets in Syria can be confirmed. According to the updated data provided by Rudskoy:


    only 22 missiles hit targets in Syria;
    46 missiles were intercepted by the Syrian Air Defense Forces;
    the rest of the missiles failed to reach their targets by different, apparently technical, reasons.

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    The Pentagon’s version of the missile attack:

    76 missiles hit “Barzah Research and Development Center”
    22 missiles hit “Him Shinshar Chemical Weapons Storage Site”
    7 missiles hit “Him Shinshar CW Bunker”

    [quote]

    https://southfront.org/russian-military-shows-wreckage-of-missiles-intercepted-in-syria-says-two-unexploded-delivered-to-moscow/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    According to Pentagon version ,they "did not wanted" to hit Syria military base.. something they did in 2017
    and "only" focused in the "chemical weapons.." ,in 2 places.. So NATO says they used 105 missiles two hit 2 places  Suspect and most of their hits was in a civilian center that was abandoned years ago after Rebels terrorist target it
    with artillery.. NATO also says "no missiles were intercepted"..and all their missiles hit their targets, but Russia provided evidence, of missiles that for "mysterious reasons" did not exploded ,and missiles parts being hit by fragments of explosives. Smile

    So here are the updated numbers.. when adding and substracting..
    the only version that makes sense .. the Russia one..

    105 missiles launched..
    only 22 hit targets...

    46 intercepted by Syrian soviet+pantsir air defenses
    37 missiles exploded in the sand somewhere else and went of course.. possibly because EW..
    and all the attacks on heavily defended military airports failed.. either through interception or EW..


    So this is what a ~20% success rate hitting the less defended civilians or storage places of Syria?
    and near ~ 0% success rate hitting Syria military airports bases. and Government buildings which
    Trump was saying was going to hit... and with 0% Syrian army casualties/military hardware losses
    Is no wonder why the Congress wants to remove from Trump the capabilities to launch new strikes
    unless the Pentagon can show them ,what strategy and goals and benefits for US the strikes will have.. Smile

    This is interesting because Trump/Pentagon identified 8 targets to hit in Syria... but they ended only hitting 2. lol1  
    and this was facing Syrian soviet era air defenses + Pantsirs air defenses.. To think NATO used 105 cruise missiles
    in just 2 places is insanity.. to say the least.. when 3-5 cruise missiles should be more than enough to completely  destroy the places they hit..


    Syria is one of the worse possible place to defend from a NATO cruse missile attack for its geography and being already invaded and 1/3 of its territory under occupation and being a country surrounded by enemies.. If this attack was done in a country like IRAN..with large empty zones and flat terrain ,that missiles can't hide and they had exactly the same air defenses inventory used by Syria , the performance of NATO will have been not just ~ %20..  but  completely ZERO.. if the missiles came from Persian gulf or from afghan border that is.. because Turkey ,neither Azerbaijan will allow missiles to travel through its territory. This means that any Cruise missile will need to travel a Long distance over empty flat terrain before reaching its targets.. making those missiles very easy to intercept ,even by regular world war 2 anti air artillery fire. it will be shooting with a shotgun flying ducks contest..  Smile

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:19 am

    For once I mostly agree with Vann - the US missile attack has been seriously embarrassing for the seppos, but in their usual fashion, they spread a million tons of bullshit layered 10' deep and deny deny deny deny...

    However, I need to point out that Iran does not have "large empty zones and flat terrain" but is a very rugged country, with most of its landmass dominated by plateaus and mountains. While that creates many nooks and crannies in which Iranians can conceal mobile assets, it does make the job of establishing a regional AD network more difficult. To get adequate line-of-sight over large areas you would need to deploy radars on fixed high points (mountain tops) and use AWACs. Not only will these sites then be clearly visible to an attacker, they will be expensive to construct as you'll need to develop the mountain road infrastructure to support/service them.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:23 am


    Photo report from Hmeim Airbase:

    https://ecoross1.livejournal.com/716218.html

    MoD suddenly invited lots of bloggers on tour, we should be seeing plenty of fresh photos soon methinks
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:44 am

    The Russian Ministry of Defense must be following this board.

    Laughing
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Photo report from Hmeim Airbase:

    https://ecoross1.livejournal.com/716218.html

    MoD suddenly invited lots of bloggers on tour, we should be seeing plenty of fresh photos soon methinks

    Dang, Russians are really good gardeners.
    And really like fountains too.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:06 am

    Not only will these sites then be clearly visible to an attacker, they will be expensive to construct as you'll need to develop the mountain road infrastructure to support/service them.

    Inaccessibility would be an issue for ground based sensors, but an airship mounted radar could be fairly mobile... get a much better view of the nooks and crannies being able to operate several kilometres in the air... yet with a tether could be powered from a ground station... you could probably fly the airship there and deliver the ground component by large helicopter like an Mi-26...

    I remember the Chinese bought several Russian airships designed for not just detection... they were used in mountainous areas for communication nodes... to extend radio communications in the region.

    I seem to remember that they operated at about 5km or so on a tether system with the power systems and processing systems on the ground... the blimp itself only had the radar antenna and comms antennas... it could operate for 3 months at a time unmanned.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Photo report from Hmeim Airbase:

    https://ecoross1.livejournal.com/716218.html

    MoD suddenly invited lots of bloggers on tour, we should be seeing plenty of fresh photos soon methinks

    So they have TOR's backing up the Pantsir's Smile


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:43 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Photo report from Hmeim Airbase:

    https://ecoross1.livejournal.com/716218.html

    MoD suddenly invited lots of bloggers on tour, we should be seeing plenty of fresh photos soon methinks

    So they have TOR's backing up the Pantsir's Smile


    if im not mistaken.. i think TOR major focus is for the interception of ballistic missiles,
    because somewhere i saw it was much fat/heavy missile ,with much faster speed.. and bigger ballistic missiles
    like Scuds might require S-300 or S-400 defenses.

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