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    George1

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:08 am

    Isos wrote:
    Britain bought Cyprus from Ottoman Empire in 1878. How could an enslaved population "let russians"??

    Let them invade the island lol1

    More seriously, I didn't know that nor the story of the island. But now it's a recognized state so if they want British to leave UN has to support them to make them leave. But they definitly need someone to protect them. If it is Greece they will go at full war with Erdogan so Russians are the best option. British already let the turks invade.

    cyprus is a specialized case of state unfortunately. Their independence is "committed" according to the constitution...
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:13 am

    Anyway, Cyprus is full of Russians, they account for something between 5-10% of the population. Soon there will be more Russians in Cyprus than Turkish Cypriots. My platoon had a significant amount of Russians, Lebanese and Syrians. By the end of basic I made sure their Greek was better than cocky, private school-level American English. And made sure whatever type of hazing they'd face (well they didn't speak our language) would be kept at minimum, verbal level. Of course we had a Cyprus-born Russians trying to dodge service on their first day in, on the basis of things like.. "not owing anything to this country". Well lets just say they sat at the wrong queue for 3 hours, under the wondeful July sun. Oooops lol1
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:24 am

    I seem to get confirmed on Wanger not having many friends in the establishment.

    Russian journalist who covered Wagner Group mercenary deaths in Syria dies after falling from balcony

    A Russian journalist who wrote about Russian mercenaries in Syria has died from injuries he sustained after falling from a balcony.

    Maxim Borodin, 32, died at a hospital on Sunday after falling from his fifth-floor balcony in Yekaterinburg on Thursday, according to the Associated Press and RFERL.

    The Associated Press reported that it was unclear how Borodin fell, but RFERL reported that officials are considering his death to be a suicide.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/maxim-borodin-death-balcony-fall-russian-journalist-covered-wagner-group-2018-4?r=US&IR=T
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:25 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Anyway, Cyprus is full of Russians, they account for something between 5-10% of the population. Soon there will be more Russians in Cyprus than Turkish Cypriots. My platoon had a significant amount of Russians, Lebanese and Syrians. By the end of basic I made sure their Greek was better than cocky, private school-level American English. And made sure whatever type of hazing they'd face (well they didn't speak our language) would be kept at minimum, verbal level. Of course we had a Cyprus-born Russians trying to dodge service on their first day in, on the basis of things like.. "not owing anything to this country". Well lets just say they sat at the wrong queue for 3 hours, under the wondeful July sun. Oooops lol1

    yes but to tell the full story the russians that are in cuprus are enemies of Putin Smile because of the money they take out from Russia and launder it in this beautiful offshore paradise Very Happy
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:48 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:

    Nope, they don't pay any rent and Cyprus, since 2015 has more than enough cash.
    Currently, the limited British presence is not a problem for anyone other than some communists.

    The problem in Cyprus is the occupation by Turkey.
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    The 1960 Treaty of Establishment lays out a section for base and facilities payments. The British MoD has actually wanted to get rid of it for years as it is a major drain on their defence budget but the US won't let them.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:51 pm

    He is right the Brits do pay for the facilities but he is wrong in that the UK wants to let the bases go. They do not at all.

    Those bases are in a very very nice strategic position.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:06 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    Nope, they don't pay any rent and Cyprus, since 2015 has more than enough cash.
    Currently, the limited British presence is not a problem for anyone other than some communists.

    The problem in Cyprus is the occupation by Turkey.

    The 1960 Treaty of Establishment lays out a section for base and facilities payments. The British MoD has actually wanted to get rid of it for years as it is a major drain on their defence budget but the US won't let them.

    Hey, I know better.
    They do not pay anything and haven't paid anything since before the invasion. We're talking payments straight to the RoC budget, not theirs.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:09 pm



    The UK has been in breach of the treaty since 1974 as they didn't intervene in the Turkish invasion and is breached every day as long as North Cyprus exists.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:10 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:

    The UK has been in breach of the treaty since 1974 as they didn't intervene in the Turkish invasion and is breached every day as long as North Cyprus exists.  

    Sure, that's a different topic. Greece was also in breach of said Treaty as they didn't intervene as well and left the island without air and sea cover. And whatever forces the military junta sent were insignificant (one battalion of SF and a battalion of infantry vs an equivalent of two divisions). And till only a few years ago, the Greek goverment was refusing to openly admit the said deployments and battles.

    Yeah but let's get back in correcting you. The British do not pay any rent for their bases to RoC and haven't paid anything since 1964. I don't take their excusse as exactly legal or fair, but given the 1974 realities of invasion and occupation, it's a minor concern.

    So no, Cyprus doesn't get any money from the Brits, nor do they expect to get any (since haf a century ago).

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:He is right the Brits do pay for the facilities

    Nope.

    They spend part of their own budget on the bases, nothing goes to RoC budget from the UK concerning the said bases (and Troodos station).
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:31 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:I seem to get confirmed on Wanger not having many friends in the establishment.

    Russian journalist who covered Wagner Group mercenary deaths in Syria dies after falling from balcony............


    This guy didn't break the story, he was just one of gazillion journalists who wrote about it after it actually broke in different newspaper (he writes for local news not Komersant)
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:42 pm

    That's the thing. People are easily fooled due to their idiocy. Kommersant released the news about it. But hey, whatever. Story is good so let's make shit up
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:45 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:That's the thing. People are easily fooled due to their idiocy. Kommersant released the news about it. But hey, whatever. Story is good so let's make shit up

    Did he fall from the balcony then?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:51 pm

    Syria attack: British submarine 'hunted by Russian subs

    A ROYAL Navy submarine heading towards Syria has been hunted by up to two deadly Russian subs and a number of other vessels in the Mediterranean for days as tensions between the countries ratchet up, it has been revealed.
    By Mark Chandler
    PUBLISHED: 06:00, Mon, Apr 16, 2018

    The British crew found themselves involved in a “cat and mouse game” with at least one of the Kremlin Kilo-class subs, dubbed the “Black Hole” because they are so stealthy.

    Two frigates and an anti-submarine aircraft were also involved in the hunt, the Sunday Times reported.

    The Tomahawk missile-equipped £1.2billion British vessel had been moving to within range of Syria when it found itself under threat.

    It then spent days trying to avoid detection by the Russian force.


    The British sub was 'hunted' by Russian forces

    US Navy forces tried to protect the waters around the underwater ship as it passed beneath the waves, with aircraft bussing overhead to offer cover.

    Kilo-class submarines are among the deadliest in Putin’s arsenal.

    Powered by two diesel generators and an electric drive they can move silently underwater at speeds of up to 17 knots.

    They can be equipped with a range of deadly weapons including cruise and anti-ship missiles.


    The British submarine was Astute-class and hunted for days

    Following the tension-filled encounter, the British Astute-class submarine did not take part in the attack on Syrian chemical weapons facilities.

    The Royal Navy’s Astute submarines cost around £1.2billion each and have been commissioned by Britain since 2010.

    Nick Childs, from the International Institute for Strategic Studies said submarine commanders were trained not give away their position by firing too many missiles at once.

    Strikes by UK, US and French forces crippled President Bashar al-Assad’s weapons programme overnight yesterday.

    The allies launched 105 missiles in retaliation for a poison gas atrocity in Syria that killed at least 70 people.

    Three chemical weapons facilities, including a research and development in Damascus' Barzeh district and two facilities near Homs were wiped out in the attack.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/946309/syria-attack-russia-british-submarine-vladimir-putin
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:56 pm

    There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:03 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Syria attack: British submarine 'hunted by Russian subs.......


    I gotta say I am quite surprised at how lightly armed Astute subs are when compared to Kilos.

    Nuclear attack sub with three times the displacement, twice the crew complement, twice the endurance and same maximum depth of conventional Kilo sub and it only carries 38 torpedoes/missiles compared to 22 on Kilo-class.

    And worst of all it doesn't have VLS cells.

    Weird...
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    I thought that Virginia sub launched attack from Arabian or Red sea?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  franco on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:06 pm

    Russian military claims 112 SAF AD missiles take down 71 of the NATO cruise missiles;

    "Pantsyr" - 25 missiles were fired, 23 targets were hit;
    "Buk" - 29 missiles were fired, 24 targets were hit;
    "Osa" - 11 rockets were fired, 5 targets were hit;
    C-125 - 13 missiles were launched, 5 targets were hit;
    "Srtela-10" - 5 missiles were fired, 3 targets were hit;
    "Kub" - 21 rockets were launched, 11 targets were hit;
    C-200 - 8 missiles were fired, targets were not hit.

    A higher hit rate then I would have expected however a closer review shows 47:54 for the more modern BUK and Panstir while the older Soviet designs went 24:58.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12171611@egNews
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    They have a stupid story for every event that happen ... who is trusting them anymore ?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    I thought that Virginia sub launched attack from Arabian or Red sea?

    What this thing teaches us is that russian army is very well equiped against US invasion forces. All the west assests were in range of russian equipement. If it was an attack against russian mainland they would have lost all their ships and planes.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    There is also a view out there that Homs was supposed to be the Euro only target zone and the 9 TLAMs the US launched were covering for the fact the Astute was not within range at the time.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:40 am

    Seems some sort of missile attack is underway in Syria again.

    Rumors are Israelis are trying to strike T4.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:40 am

    franco wrote:Russian military claims 112 SAF AD missiles take down 71 of the NATO cruise missiles;

    "Pantsyr" - 25 missiles were fired, 23 targets were hit;
    "Buk" - 29 missiles were fired, 24 targets were hit;
    "Osa" - 11 rockets were fired, 5 targets were hit;
    C-125 - 13 missiles were launched, 5 targets were hit;
    "Srtela-10" - 5 missiles were fired, 3 targets were hit;
    "Kub" - 21 rockets were launched, 11 targets were hit;
    C-200 - 8 missiles were fired, targets were not hit.

    A higher hit rate then I would have expected however a closer review shows 47:54 for the more modern BUK and Panstir while the older Soviet designs went 24:58.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12171611@egNews

    i edited and put the common names for the SAMs so everyone understand the types Smile
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  nomadski on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:42 am

    Russia said they would target missiles and source of missiles . But they only targeted the missiles . Now they say next time it will be chaos . Meaning we will strike . How long will this defensive only phase last ? They have to say we will strike next time . Even if they intend to wait a bit . To buildup forces . In the meantime the Yank and Co will escalate . Sneak attack , not exposing the attacker , sabotage , third party special ops is likely . Hit and run . Attack by automated or disposable platforms .For harbour facility , protection is needed . Divers , nets , and underwater sonar ,To keep economy flowing .
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:55 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    I thought that Virginia sub launched attack from Arabian or Red sea?
    No the USS John Warner launched its 6 TLAMs from the Med, the only US asset that did, all the other TLAMs came from their 3 surface ships.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:07 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    There is also a view out there that Homs was supposed to be the Euro only target zone and the 9 TLAMs the US launched were covering for the fact the Astute was not within range at the time.  
    Chased off by the Kilo Smile

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