Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+65
KoTeMoRe
Airbornewolf
T-47
nomadski
lulldapull
Azi
Walther von Oldenburg
Austin
Aristide
BlackArrow
flamming_python
Cyberspec
Admin
gaurav
Givi
Neutrality
Nikander
Cheetah
fredleander
Manov
lycantrop
TheArmenian
onwiththewar
mnztr
par far
calm
miketheterrible
auslander
Hannibal Barca
Odin of Ossetia
MechanizedOne
Kimppis
0nillie0
Arctic_Fox
YG_AJ
Airman
zorobabel
Mindstorm
Vann7
ZoA
LaVictoireEstLaVie
Godric
ult
GunshipDemocracy
Regular
KomissarBojanchev
Karl Haushofer
starman
Isos
archangelski
SeigSoloyvov
ultimatewarrior
JohninMK
d_taddei2
BKP
George1
GarryB
KiloGolf
Karbafoz
eehnie
franco
crod
AlfaT8
ATLASCUB
medo
69 posters

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13246
    Points : 13288
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:..........

    Is your own picture? Source of the picture?

    It is necessary to ask you always the same?

    Several of us got together and made this in Microsoft Paint just to discredit you...lol1
    eehnie
    eehnie


    Posts : 2425
    Points : 2428
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Several of us got together and made this in Microsoft Paint just to discredit you...lol1  

    Discredit me in what?

    I said nothing about the Su-57 in Syria being not stealth, like you said in the previous page. Embarassed Embarassed You need a lot more study study
    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13246
    Points : 13288
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:26 pm


    Is this the same guy that made first photos?

    SU 57 fly over Tartous near Russian navy base

    https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/967354874919903232

    They ain't wasting time, just hope they be careful with new toys...





    And there seem to be proper name for aircraft in this development phase: LRIP

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_rate_initial_production
    Regular
    Regular


    Posts : 3868
    Points : 3842
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Ukrolovestan

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Regular Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:56 pm

    Awesome. Look where SU-57 is sitting. Concrete dividers are giving it some protection.
    Manov
    Manov


    Posts : 57
    Points : 68
    Join date : 2015-01-07
    Location : South America

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Manov Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:21 pm

    It seems that, kind of officially (sputnik and rt) the main reason of the deployment is Deterrence. So maybe for Israel, Turkey or the USA (besides testings all the systems)
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11275
    Points : 11245
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:32 pm

    Manov wrote:It seems that, kind of officially (sputnik and rt) the main reason of the deployment is Deterrence. So maybe for Israel, Turkey or the USA (besides testings all the systems)

    Not really. Those are prototypes. No one knows what is inside of them and if they can fight so they are not there to afraid but for testing.

    The ground crew is also probably from Sukhoi. I don't think those guys in Syria were trained on the maintenance of Su-57.

    Maybe they will surprise us with a picture of R-77M Inside the weapon bay Very Happy

    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14505
    Points : 14640
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:59 pm

    eehnie wrote:

    Is your own picture? Source of the picture?

    It is necessary to ask you always the same?
    Yup its my picture taken when I was aboard one of my satellites last night. I used my old Instamatic or was it Polaroid. No it was the box Brownie.

    Or was it the space station, can't really remember through the haze of Coke.

    Coca Cola that is. Smile

    Stop being so petty and bloody childish, you are just destroying any reputation you had around here.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14505
    Points : 14640
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:01 pm

    calm wrote:One more

    Got a link to that, like to see more of the base?
    Cyberspec
    Cyberspec


    Posts : 2904
    Points : 3057
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 pm

    The plot thickens...seems the rumour I mentioned on the previous page, about 2 more additional Su-57's being deployed in Syria is gaining traction...

    Another Two Russian Fifth Gen. Su-57 Jets Reportedly Land in Syria's Hmeymim
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802241061947970-syria-su-57-fighters-arrival-reports/

    New photos showing the additional 2 Russian Su-57 escorted by #RuAF Su-30SM landing today in the Russian Air Force base in #Khmemeim #Syria
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 DWvDxIvXkAEf_oz


    And a photo for the RuAF A-50U #41 Red landing at the AB after a combat mission.
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 DWvDxIuX0AYWaZB

    https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/status/967081807723319296/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsputniknews.com%2Fmiddleeast%2F201802241061947970-syria-su-57-fighters-arrival-reports%2F
    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior


    Posts : 798
    Points : 796
    Join date : 2016-09-19
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:00 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:The plot thickens...seems the rumour I mentioned on the previous page, about 2 more additional Su-57's being deployed in Syria is gaining traction...

    Another Two Russian Fifth Gen. Su-57 Jets Reportedly Land in Syria's Hmeymim
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802241061947970-syria-su-57-fighters-arrival-reports/

    New photos showing the additional 2 Russian Su-57 escorted by #RuAF Su-30SM landing today in the Russian Air Force base in #Khmemeim #Syria
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 DWvDxIvXkAEf_oz


    And a photo for the RuAF A-50U #41 Red landing at the AB after a combat mission.
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 DWvDxIuX0AYWaZB

    https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/status/967081807723319296/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsputniknews.com%2Fmiddleeast%2F201802241061947970-syria-su-57-fighters-arrival-reports%2F

    What's the purpose of A-50? To prevent Americans bombing the Russian air base?
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11275
    Points : 11245
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:48 pm

    A-50 can provides radar pictures in real time to ground forces about the eastern part of syria where SAA and russian radars are not present.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14505
    Points : 14640
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:57 am

    Isos wrote:A-50 can provides radar pictures in real time to ground forces about the eastern part of syria where SAA and russian radars are not present.
    As a minimum it will considerably increase the range at which the RuAF ground controllers, both in Syria and Moscow, can see in detail Turkish, Israeli and Coalition air assets, well beyond the range of the ground based RuAF and SyAF air defence radars and probably all the way to the Gulf, both Persian and Aqaba. This would potentially allow them to spot a cluster of enemy aircraft with evil on their mind, like at Deir earlier in the month or the Israel attack, much earlier and react to it if they wanted to.

    An aircraft like the A-50, especially if the Su-35s that came with it were a net increase rather than a rotate, will change the dynamics of the situation. It will be interesting to see if an A-100 appears or even if the Tu-214R reappears.
    calm
    calm


    Posts : 1484
    Points : 1486
    Join date : 2015-12-19
    Location : Serbia

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  calm Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:13 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    calm wrote:One more

    Got a link to that, like to see more of the base?

    https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/967429791749111810

    Those are pay to see satellite images.
    eehnie
    eehnie


    Posts : 2425
    Points : 2428
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:15 am

    Isos wrote:It's written on the picture ...

    Then it must be ISI, I imagine...

    JohninMK wrote:Yup its my picture taken when I was aboard one of my satellites last night. I used my old Instamatic or was it Polaroid. No it was the box Brownie.

    Or was it the space station, can't really remember through the haze of Coke.

    Coca Cola that is. Smile

    Stop being so petty and bloody childish, you are just destroying any reputation you had around here.

    I see...

    Then all this garbaje to avoid to say, to hide, you are posting israeli satellite images of a Russian Air base in Syria. If true, the images.

    You are building instead a pretty reputation here...

    Where has been this picture published exactly?

    You know how is the people here with the sources... it would be interesting to have more information from you about who payed the pictures, whith which purpose... it would be interesting to know if the source is reliable or can be fake picture... If you convince not to some people of the reliability of the source, you are strongly exposed to the insults of Papadragon, SeigSoloyvov, Isos, Kinopsis and alike...


    Last edited by eehnie on Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:00 pm; edited 1 time in total
    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13246
    Points : 13288
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:09 am

    calm wrote:One more

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 DWz-pJ5XcAEMnyj


    Nice to see grass growing, so far whole place looked like wasteland, much nicer with greenery.



    eehnie wrote:....you are strongly exposed to the insults of Papadragon, SeigSoloyvov, Isos, Kinopsis and alike...


    Yo, special one! Only person we would want to insult is you so stop pulling content out of your posterior.

    As for photos, they are all over the net, confirmed by everyone.
    miketheterrible
    miketheterrible


    Posts : 7383
    Points : 7341
    Join date : 2016-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:28 am

    Russian airforce brought in their gardners.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14505
    Points : 14640
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:01 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Russian airforce brought in their gardners.
    Make it look more like home!
    eehnie
    eehnie


    Posts : 2425
    Points : 2428
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:so stop pulling content out of your posterior.

    You seems to feel some authority to give orders here. lol1

    Less angry and more study
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 38765
    Points : 39261
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:08 pm

    I completely forgot that later hulls have engine covers installed (even though I posting pic of them here), my bad. So engines are more or less done but still it would be smart to keep true radar signature under wraps so they should put something shiny on them while in use.

    It could be a prototype they are testing... it might have corner reflectors on it so other air traffic can see it and not fly into it... so the other Russian aircraft can operate with it safely.

    It can test weapons and software and systems in an operational environment with little threat from real enemy forces...

    That being said, could it be that MoD were intentionally bullshitting everyone when they were reporting progress of this project to the public? As in actually planning to deceive everyone years in advance?

    And if they were happy to lie then why did we hear about two aircraft crashing from the Kuznetsov... they could have easily denied everything...

    Its certainly a big possibility, and I'd like to think that would be SOP for all new Russian weapons programs. The more nasty surprises for the HATOstani bastards the better (and Syria has had plenty of them...)

    At the end of the day the Su-57 is a weapon of war and lets face it... a war against NATO most likely... so this is an ideal way to test it relatively safely... anything learned can be applied to make the operational Su-57 better.

    The same way testing other stuff in Syria has made it better and proven things, and found problems to be sorted out.



    Yo, special one! Only person we would want to insult is you so stop pulling content out of your posterior.

    Funny to accuse Eehnie for being supposedly wrong... after all you have seen Hollywood movies... mericans always tell the truth... except we know that is not true...

    Seems to me there is a group who is accusing Eehnie and others of believing Putins lies... well if the choice is believing Putins lies or Trumps/Clintons lies... I know where I am placing my hat.

    The really sad thing is that it was not that long ago the west was bombing the shit out of some of you... but still so keen to sniff that ass and say it smells sweet and wag your tail.
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11275
    Points : 11245
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:28 pm

    Seems to me there is a group who is accusing Eehnie and others of believing Putins lies... well if the choice is believing Putins lies or Trumps/Clintons lies... I know where I am placing my hat.

    All this started with his "source" saying lider is under construction. Nothing to do with putin or obama. Every guy on this forum respect opinions. Some are rude when they disagree but they answer with an explanation.
    fredleander
    fredleander


    Posts : 28
    Points : 40
    Join date : 2011-07-25
    Location : Stockholm

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Su-57 in Syria

    Post  fredleander Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:01 pm

    Haaretz: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/israeli-satellites-reveal-russia-s-fleet-of-stealth-bombers-1.5846248

    Fred
    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 15048
    Points : 15185
    Join date : 2014-09-11
    Location : Turdope's Kanada

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Seems to me there is a group who is accusing Eehnie and others of believing Putins lies... well if the choice is believing Putins lies or Trumps/Clintons lies... I know where I am placing my hat.

    All this started with his "source" saying lider is under construction. Nothing to do with putin or obama. Every guy on this forum respect opinions. Some are rude when they disagree but they answer with an explanation.

    And you clowns can take a valium instead of going into a piranha meat shredding frenzy. Only deeply insecure people feel such a rabid
    urge to prove someone wrong.

    BTW, recall the USA drivel about how it could not show high resolution photographs in Ukraine for "security reasons". Note the above photographs
    of the Su-57. They are vastly higher resolution than anything the USA put out regarding Ukraine. This exposes the USA as liars on all
    of their claims: from supposed howitzers which were actually harvesting combines to all the MH17 drivel.
    miketheterrible
    miketheterrible


    Posts : 7383
    Points : 7341
    Join date : 2016-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:24 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Seems to me there is a group who is accusing Eehnie and others of believing Putins lies... well if the choice is believing Putins lies or Trumps/Clintons lies... I know where I am placing my hat.

    All this started with his "source" saying lider is under construction. Nothing to do with putin or obama. Every guy on this forum respect opinions. Some are rude when they disagree but they answer with an explanation.

    And you clowns can take a valium instead of going into a piranha meat shredding frenzy.   Only deeply insecure people feel such a rabid
    urge to prove someone wrong.

    BTW, recall the USA drivel about how it could not show high resolution photographs in Ukraine for "security reasons".   Note the above photographs
    of the Su-57.   They are vastly higher resolution than anything the USA put out regarding Ukraine.   This exposes the USA as liars on all
    of their claims: from supposed howitzers which were actually harvesting combines to all the MH17 drivel.  

    Thank you.
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11275
    Points : 11245
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:43 pm

    And you clowns can take a valium instead of going into a piranha meat shredding frenzy. Only deeply insecure people feel such a rabid
    urge to prove someone wrong.

    Eehnie put that in your database of insulting quotes and report him please lol1
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11275
    Points : 11245
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:45 pm

    fredleander wrote:Haaretz: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/israeli-satellites-reveal-russia-s-fleet-of-stealth-bombers-1.5846248

    Fred

    They are in different place on this picture and the other one. So they already started flights.

    Sponsored content


    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12 - Page 24 Empty Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:56 am