Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

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Vann7 wrote:

You are correct in pointing out that we have no idea what is going on "behind closed doors" (i.e in the covert spy world) so hopefully Russia is retaliating there as much as it can to make the US think twice before they keep doing stuff like this.

There is war already against Russia.. this is very important to always keep on mind.. but they throw the rocks
and hide their hands.. Americans role in Syria is nothing more and nothing less that sabotage Russia operations
there and partition Syria and protect the terrorist fighting Russia and Syrian army..

So Russian military can't relax at any time in Syria.. and needs to always ,24 hours a day.. follow all the movements
of US backed terror groups and their planes..in check US planes ,when fly near
their positions.

Vann7 wrote:
There is war already against Russia.. this is very important to always keep on mind.. but they throw the rocks
and hide their hands.. Americans role in Syria is nothing more and nothing less that sabotage Russia operations
there and partition Syria and protect the terrorist fighting Russia and Syrian army..

So Russian military can't relax at any time in Syria.. and needs to always ,24 hours a day.. follow all the movements
of US backed terror groups and their planes..in check US planes ,when fly  near
their positions.

+1 You hit the nail on the head this time. Muricans are evil cunts who cannot be trusted.

Another day has passed. Those who created this Wagner PMC story didn't bother to catch the sad moments where thousands of relatives crying over the coffins of the 250 (or 100 / 150 / 300 / 500 / 600 depending on the creativity level of the story telling bard) deceased at the Rostov region. Oh yes, they must be too scared of Putin so everything is censored. How about the supposedly 100 Ukrainian citizens among the deceased? Yes, they were from Donbass, they were heroes who defended Sloviansk, but thanks to the Minsk agreement, they couldn't fight there anymore but decided to fight in Syria instead. Yeah right, Kiev is moving everything to the front-line at the very moment, they somehow figured the best way to defend our fatherland is in Syria and not under RF military command either.

Oleg Tsarev said he lost friends there but refused to elaborate any further. Strelkov did some standard nagging (remember, 100 among of the deceased were supposedly under his command until 2014) and chose the 600 deceased version of the story simply because he likes this version (highest number).

On the plus side, Sobchak has gone quiet recently. Good luck with running her "campaign" in the US when US and Russia are supposedly at war with supposedly 300 dead on Russian side.

Having said above, Russian PMC do exist and are everywhere around the world (especially in the Middle East, many work for Israel). It's certain a few of our people did die there. Either it was the money they were after (have to support their families) or trying to escape from the law, a Russian soul dying in a foreign land saddens me. May they rest in peace and the RF government take notice of the PMC problem, do something about it and try to prevent it from happening again. Of course, there was the story that these guys were "purged" on purpose. Let's hope they were the last Russian PMC who had to die in Syria.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
There is war already against Russia.. this is very important to always keep on mind.. but they throw the rocks
and hide their hands.. Americans role in Syria is nothing more and nothing less that sabotage Russia operations
there and partition Syria and protect the terrorist fighting Russia and Syrian army..

So Russian military can't relax at any time in Syria.. and needs to always ,24 hours a day.. follow all the movements
of US backed terror groups and their planes..in check US planes ,when fly  near
their positions.

+1  You hit the nail on the head this time.  Muricans are evil cunts who cannot be trusted.

It's true. Americans are evil cunts and dumb as shit at almost everything except self-aggrandisement and financial fraud. However, I maintain that America's NATO vassals and the other four members of the so-called "5-eyes" must be held in even lower regard. This is because all creatures that walk, fly and swim innately maintain a healthy, albeit grudging, degree of respect for the apex predator. However, the others that follow in its wake--the jackals, the vultures--are similarly reprehensible while at the same time being too craven to do the heavy lifting themselves. So, they obediently tag along, hoping to snap whatever scraps they can into their bleating maws.

Let's face it, if Washington holds out its hoary sack and says "lick my nut," the vassals in chorus blurt "oh, exactly how sir? Did you mean the right nut, left nut, or both nuts together? And would you like your tongue-action sideways, up and down, or a kind of swirl combing both?"

I mean, looking at the likes of Trump, Tillerson, Mattis, Graham and McCain is one thing, but beholding Macron, Trudeau, Merkel, or whatever utterly forgettable nobody the UK or antipodean regions shit out these days is enough to put you off your breakfast.

Btw, did anyone read this piece by that "Saker" character? Pretty interesting, and asks the pertinent question of the present time:

"ESCALATION IN SYRIA – HOW FAR CAN THE RUSSIANS BE PUSHED?"

"https://southfront.org/saker-escalation-syria-far-can-russians-pushed/

Vann7 wrote:


There is war already against Russia.. this is very important to always keep on mind.. but they throw the rocks
and hide their hands.. Americans role in Syria is nothing more and nothing less that sabotage Russia operations
there and partition Syria and protect the terrorist fighting Russia and Syrian army..

So Russian military can't relax at any time in Syria.. and needs to always ,24 hours a day.. follow all the movements
of US backed terror groups and their planes..in check US planes ,when fly  near
their positions.

I absolutely agree with all of this: the Russian army definitely needs to be alert - If the US airplanes come close to Russian positions and try to bomb them or do recon for their terrorists then the Russian army should be able to force the planes to leave or even shoot them down if they are in danger. All I meant in my previous posts was that an offensive rather than defensive retaliation (e.g attacking US planes before they start coming in to bomb) would give NATO/US a justification for escalating its forces in the region and/or taking some sort of more serious actions against Russia. It also may lead to nuclear war, which would kill both the US and Russia. Obviously it isn't fair that NATO/US can overtly sabotage Russian interests in the region while Russia has to be more cautious, but that is why I said before that Russia is in a difficult position.

More and more it seems that Russia is walking on eggshells and US is trying to provoke them as soon as possibility arises. There should be an outcry about US bombing Syrian forces by Russia. Even if 5 PMCs got killed, then use their death to garner the support for government and against US in Syria.

Regular wrote:More and more it seems that Russia is walking on eggshells and US is trying to provoke them as soon as possibility arises. There should be an outcry about US bombing Syrian forces by Russia. Even if 5 PMCs got killed, then use their death to garner the support for government and against US in Syria.

Support from who? Who would care?

It's obvious that they shouldn't have been there in the first place, only idiots run ops without clearing it with VKS.

14 Wagner PMCs were killed in the DeZ attack: https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/17-02-2018/1371126-troshev-0/

zorobabel wrote:14 Wagner PMCs were killed in the DeZ attack: https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/17-02-2018/1371126-troshev-0/

no.  No they weren't.  Pravda was tabloid in the past, still is now.

I can see dozens of fake news from Reuters and alike all talking about unnamed sources indicating this or that.

Its all bullshit, with no facts to back it up. Its rather getting tiring how stupid many of you are in believing this crap. Its even more funny how easily respectable news papers have now become nothing more than tabloids in the last couple of years.

Goes to show that people are really stupid in general.

PapaDragon wrote:

Regular wrote:More and more it seems that Russia is walking on eggshells and US is trying to provoke them as soon as possibility arises. There should be an outcry about US bombing Syrian forces by Russia. Even if 5 PMCs got killed, then use their death to garner the support for government and against US in Syria.

Support from who? Who would care?

It's obvious that they shouldn't have been there in the first place, only idiots run ops without clearing it with VKS.

I am talking about domestic support for gearing up confrontation against US. This could be great for implementing unpopular measures after election.
Powers in US seem to push sanctions and they are hindering everything what Russia does yet Russia haven't responded to any of this.

Well, I wouldn't call PMCs idiots as they were doing their job or you really believe that shit in tabloid about them going rogue and working for some Oligarch (Sounds like Ukrainian propaganda about Vostok).
Individuals killed where known to be ideologically motivated and not unlike twatwater mercenaries who did it only cash. And their job was acting like advisers for Syrian units.
ISIS hunters were hit pretty bad and it was well known that Russians were among them.
VKS is not the ones you would ask for clearing, but rather you would be calling glavniy or atleast operativniy shtab and requesting for permission. And I doubt that get Russian green light if they would act independantly. Look what happened to first mercs in Syria.

miketheterrible wrote:

zorobabel wrote:14 Wagner PMCs were killed in the DeZ attack: https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/17-02-2018/1371126-troshev-0/

no.  No they weren't.  Pravda was tabloid in the past, still is now.

I can see dozens of fake news from Reuters and alike all talking about unnamed sources indicating this or that.

Its all bullshit, with no facts to back it up.  Its rather getting tiring how stupid many of you are in believing this crap.  Its even more funny how easily respectable news papers have now become nothing more than tabloids in the last couple of years.

Goes to show that people are really stupid in general.

Pravda is a tabloid?

Regular wrote:......
I am talking about domestic support for gearing up confrontation against US. This could be great for implementing unpopular measures after election. ......

Let's assume for a second that those clowns were not acting on their own: what message would Moscow be sending to their electorate if they pursued that course of action?

They would be saying: "We were stupid and incompetent enough to allow our "personnel" to get slaughtered by USAF and then we were too much of a pussies to respond with equal measure but you should still trust us with your lives and lives of your loved ones"

It would be travesty

Regular wrote:......
Powers in US seem to push sanctions and they are hindering everything what Russia does yet Russia haven't responded to any of this.....

And if sanctions are enough to hinder everything Russia does then Russia isn't doing anything right.

There is specific accurately determined number of missiles, vessels and aircraft needed to keep Russia safe. As long as that number is reached and maintained there is no problem

Regular wrote:......
Well, I wouldn't call PMCs idiots as they were doing their job or you really believe that shit in tabloid about them going rogue and working for some Oligarch (Sounds like Ukrainian propaganda about Vostok).
Individuals killed where known to be ideologically motivated and not unlike twatwater mercenaries who did it only cash......

If they truly believed in what they do and if they were ideologically motivated they would either be enlisted in Russian Military or would be doing job that that do for same amount of money that average Russian soldier earns.

Since they do neither it means that they are no better than Blackwater PMCs, distinction being that Blackwater would never be stupid enough to do anything without clearing it with US Military.

Regular wrote:......ISIS hunters were hit pretty bad and it was well known that Russians were among them.
VKS is not the ones you would ask for clearing, .

Next time they should pick up a phone first because VKS are exactly who they should call because VKS are people who keep USAF from exterminating them as recent events have shown.

I've seen plenty of situations in the 90s​ where random morons grow an ego and started improvising because they think they are biggest dogs on the block. They would always gets fucked to death and in the process would cause huge problems for the side they supposedly fought for.

No morons please, thank you. Complete adherence to gameplan. Always. No exceptions.

zorobabel wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

zorobabel wrote:14 Wagner PMCs were killed in the DeZ attack: https://www.pravda.ru/news/world/17-02-2018/1371126-troshev-0/

no.  No they weren't.  Pravda was tabloid in the past, still is now.

I can see dozens of fake news from Reuters and alike all talking about unnamed sources indicating this or that.

Its all bullshit, with no facts to back it up.  Its rather getting tiring how stupid many of you are in believing this crap.  Its even more funny how easily respectable news papers have now become nothing more than tabloids in the last couple of years.

Goes to show that people are really stupid in general.

Pravda is a tabloid?

Was during the 80's in SU, is now. Nothing but garbage. Want media that's honest in Russia? Tass and Ria. Life.ru and vesti are also pretty straight forward.

PapaDragon wrote:

Regular wrote:......
I am talking about domestic support for gearing up confrontation against US. This could be great for implementing unpopular measures after election. ......

Let's assume for a second that those clowns were not acting on their own: what message would Moscow  be sending to their electorate if they pursued that course of action?

They would be saying: "We were stupid and incompetent enough to allow our "personnel" to get slaughtered by USAF and then we were too much of a pussies to respond with equal measure but you should still trust us with your lives and lives of your loved ones"

It would be travesty

Regular wrote:......
Powers in US seem to push sanctions and they are hindering everything what Russia does yet Russia haven't responded to any of this.....

And if sanctions are enough to hinder everything Russia does then Russia isn't doing anything right.

There is specific accurately determined number of missiles, vessels and aircraft needed to keep Russia safe. As long as that number is reached and maintained there is no problem

Regular wrote:......
Well, I wouldn't call PMCs idiots as they were doing their job or you really believe that shit in tabloid about them going rogue and working for some Oligarch (Sounds like Ukrainian propaganda about Vostok).
Individuals killed where known to be ideologically motivated and not unlike twatwater mercenaries who did it only cash......

If they truly believed in what they do and if they were ideologically motivated they would either be enlisted in Russian Military or would be doing job that that do for same amount of money that average Russian soldier earns.

Since they do neither it means that they are no better than Blackwater PMCs, distinction being that Blackwater would never be stupid enough to do anything without clearing it with US Military.

Regular wrote:......ISIS hunters were hit pretty bad and it was well known that Russians were among them.
VKS is not the ones you would ask for clearing, .

Next time they should pick up a phone first because VKS are exactly who they should call because VKS are people who keep USAF from exterminating them as recent events have shown.

I've seen plenty of situations in the 90s​ where random morons grow an ego and started improvising because they think they are biggest dogs on the block. They would always gets fucked to death and in the process would cause huge problems for the side they supposedly fought for.

No morons please, thank you. Complete adherence to gameplan. Always. No exceptions.

Lots of Lambieshit. To remember..

kvs wrote:

auslander wrote:There's only one problem with the US end of this saga. Story is they attacked to protect their 'allies' during an attack by Syrian forces. Here's the list, from the horse's mouth, of what they used in this sudden counterattack 'from the air'. Tell me what's wrong with this picture.

F-15, AH-64, MQ-9, AC-130 gunships, AH-64 Apaches, B-52.

LOL.   They scrambled a strategic bomber from a remote location to respond to a tactical situation.     The B-52 proves that the Yankeestanis are lying through their teeth.    The turn around time for a B-52 deployment requires fore-knowledge of the attack.

PS.  The above proves that this is a deliberately staged event.   The chorus of NATO and 5th column Russian propaganda
is intended to meddle in Russia's presidential election.    The US wants to paint Putin as a liar who is squandering hundreds
of Russian lives in secret ground forces deployments in Syria.   They expect that the poll numbers will sag and pounce on
this as proof that Putin is not legitimate.  (Because 1+1=3 when it comes to Russia).

And still some want to put the blame on Russian paramilitary and Syria.

No. We know who attacked, and we know how Russia and Syria retaliated the same week answering to Israel and leaving many people shocked.

Russia and their allies continue advancing in the war, continue building a serious defense system, but some people only want to complain.

PapaDragon wrote:
Let's assume for a second that those clowns were not acting on their own: what message would Moscow  be sending to their electorate if they pursued that course of action?

Fuck me man, clowns in what way? Read about those guys who where identified and none of them strike as clowns, but rather professionals with years of experience both in military and out

They would be saying: "We were stupid and incompetent enough to allow our "personnel" to get slaughtered by USAF and then we were too much of a pussies to respond with equal measure but you should still trust us with your lives and lives of your loved ones"

It would be travesty

I am afraid this could be the case, but this might be pragmatical choice by Russian leadership. Russian mentality is not the same as in WW2, they are not desensitized and Chechen war horrors still haunt to this day.

And if sanctions are enough to hinder everything Russia does then Russia isn't doing anything right.

Russia is taking it on the other cheek and no, I think I've yet to see any retaliation by Russia.

If they truly believed in what they do and if they were ideologically motivated they would either be enlisted in Russian Military or would be doing job that that do for same amount of money that average Russian soldier earns.

Since they do neither it means that they are no better than Blackwater PMCs, distinction being that Blackwater would never be stupid enough to do anything without clearing it with US Military.

I can only say from my perspective- Army doesn't give such flexibility, you are not guaranteed to be deployed, age also plays a part. This is from my experience as I've wanted to go to Afghanistan and Iraq when serving in my country, but I ended up leaving my service as it was dead end and simply was disillusioned with the way my country was heading. There's a ton of other activities one could do rather than go to the sandbox in the middle of nowhere in his 40ties and if it's not ideological, then money must be astronomical, but I doubt that.
I have family member who been in Angola, to supervise rubberoids (niggers in polite way as russians used to call them) and they were literally asked if they want to be deployed. Money was not motivating factor here.

Next time they should pick up a phone first because VKS are exactly who they should call because VKS are people who keep USAF from exterminating them as recent events have shown.

Well there were reports of Russians acting for US ceasefire, so maybe there was a call and I hope we will find out.

I've seen plenty of situations in the 90s​ where random morons grow an ego and started improvising because they think they are biggest dogs on the block. They would always gets fucked to death and in the process would cause huge problems for the side they supposedly fought for.

This would be very rare as one could even say that those who served under soviet army are reluctant to improvise. Again, we are not talking about Ukraine where various units run by mafia like structure, but about a company that is being controlled by ex-GRU officers. It's not ukrainians, not balkaneese, but screened russian personnel.

No morons please, thank you. Complete adherence to gameplan. Always. No exceptions.

I agree with that, but I don't really buy this story from tabloids. It simply doesn't add up.
Let's see if any details will come up as social media is quite active and we will soon hear thing or two from guys who were on the ground. In the meant time, I hope Russia will grow the balls to confront USA as it started to piss off plenty of Russians or so it seems.

Regular wrote:...Fuck me man, clowns in what way? Read about those guys who where identified and none of them strike as clowns, but rather professionals with years of experience both in military and out ....

Go off script = clown. Hezbollah went off script, SAA went off script, Iranians​ went off script. In all instances they all ended up the same way.

There has been one rock solid rule since 2015 in this war: Don't listen to RU MoD = suffer horribly. Mathematical axiom at this point.

Regular wrote:....
Russia is taking it on the other cheek and no, I think I've yet to see any retaliation by Russia...

Russia has list of things it needs to do in order to keep itself safe and stable. As long as they keep their eyes on the ball they won't need to waste time an effort on petty ego issues.

Strong military and big pile of cash is best and only proper way to deal with any and all threats.

Regular wrote:....Well there were reports of Russians acting for US ceasefire, so maybe there was a call and I hope we will find out.....

USAF was on deconfliction line before, during and after the raid. When asked about personnel on the ground Russia said they have none and once whole thing was over VKS simply asked if everything nis clear from them to do medivac and pick up corpses. Even Americans were surprised with the whole thing. They were clearly gunning for SAA.

Someone on the ground got creative and ran into reality face first. Just because MSM dolts are being headline chasing morons does not absolve SAA/Wagner elements of responsibility nor does it immediately make USAF guilty (more than usual)

Remember when USAF pulled that shit over DeZ? It was in comparison smaller event that lasted far less time with fewer casualties but Russia in response closed down that section of airspace, put SDF on list of potential targets and scuttled huge political deal that was agreed just days prior.

None of it happened here. Hence this ops was clearly not sanctioned by MoD.

Regular wrote:......controlled by ex-GRU officers. It's not ukrainians, not balkaneese, but screened russian personnel. ....

Owned by one ex-GRU officer (that we know of) and staffed by Russian-speaking personnel, not Russians. Big difference.

As for screening, that's never been PMCs strong point especially in East Europe. Trust me on this.

Also, you assume that it's Russia who's writing checks for Wagner here. I doubt that, more likely it's Damascus. They may work in sync with Russia and get gear from them but that's not where the cash is coming from

Regular wrote:.....It simply doesn't add up.

It's the only thing that adds up. Only other option is that VKS are incompetent cowards. And I highly doubt that.

As I read it over the months, Wagner was employed by the oil companies to protect their interests after the fields and infrastructure was liberated and repaired etc. The locals who one might expect to do that job, at least those able to properly fight, were needed elsewhere. This would mean that they could be getting paid by Syrian or Russian companies but the money is coming from the sale of Syrian oil and especially gas.

EDIT - just found this


Brasco_Aad
‏ @Brasco_Aad
19h19 hours ago

-Breaking-

Andrey Troshev, the alleged director of the Wagner Group (The Russian private military company) has confirmed that 14 #Russia-n Wagner Group members have died when the US bombed their positions in Deir Ezzor Governorate.

Looks new to me, assume its a recent picture.


Rook
‏ @2Rook14
15h15 hours ago

#Syria: PHOTO: I'm assuming this is a #SAA T-72B3 #15 (w/ Sosna-U) and not a BM?

So i sort of god job offer from private company to work in Syria as technical advisor, and not only me but like 10 or 12 ppl that served with me, some of which are technicians for radar equipment. What is interesting is how they got information where we served, as those informations are posessed only by Serbian MoD to my knowledge. Company seems to be based in Russia, guy that contacted us spoke English with non-Russian accent, which i cant really figure out, could be Kazakh or similar.

JohninMK wrote:Looks new to me, assume its a recent picture.


Rook
‏ @2Rook14
15h15 hours ago

#Syria: PHOTO: I'm assuming this is a #SAA T-72B3 #15 (w/ Sosna-U) and not a BM?

Tigers have T-90A's, not sure about T-72B3's.

Boosting UAV numbers.


imagesatintl
‏ @imagesatint
1h1 hour ago

New typical Russian hangar at the maintenance compound in Khmeimim airbase, testifies, despite of media reports, that the Russian Presence in #Syria would not be decreased soon. #ISI

Militarov wrote:So i sort of god job offer from private company to work in Syria as technical advisor, and not only me but like 10 or 12 ppl that served with me, some of which are technicians for radar equipment. What is interesting is how they got information where we served, as those informations are posessed only by Serbian MoD to my knowledge. Company seems to be based in Russia, guy that contacted us spoke English with non-Russian accent, which i cant really figure out, could be Kazakh or similar.

Are you going to take it?

New documentary. English subtitles work, kind of


RussianDefence.com
‏ @Russian_Defence
5h5 hours ago
Replying to @Russian_Defence

Chasovoy reports from #Russia's Khmeimim airbase in #Syria.
Bort no's- #Sukhoi-35S: 50, 53, 55, 59 Red; Su-34: 06, 09, 22, 23, 24, 41, 42 Red; Su-30SM: 03, 23, 26  Red; Su-24M(2): 10, 42, 49, 53 White

Militarov wrote:So i sort of god job offer from private company to work in Syria as technical advisor, and not only me but like 10 or 12 ppl that served with me, some of which are technicians for radar equipment. What is interesting is how they got information where we served, as those informations are posessed only by Serbian MoD to my knowledge. Company seems to be based in Russia, guy that contacted us spoke English with non-Russian accent, which i cant really figure out, could be Kazakh or similar.

Very interesting,
That's some VICE material about "ebil Serbians fighting for Putin"
Thanks for sharing.