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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:00 pm

    Looks like a pack of them, those two in the post above, plus these four plus their tanker that entered the Med a couple of days ago. Getting crowded

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:09 am

    Reuters: at least 131 Russian citizens have died in Syria this year: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-casualtie/exclusive-death-certificate-offers-clues-on-russian-casualties-in-syria-idUSKBN1CW1LP

    Except the obvious problem with that figure of 131 dead is that the vast majority were likely fighting for the other side and are now realising that their 60 virgins in paradise promise made no mention that those virgins were even very attractive.... or actually female.

    The article itself admits:

    Poddubny’s death certificate had a serial number in the top right corner, 131.

    Under a Justice Ministry procedure, all death certificates are numbered, starting from zero at the start of the year and going up by one digit for each new death recorded.

    The Russian diplomat confirmed that is the procedure.

    Reuters saw two other certificates, both issued on Feb. 3. The numbers - 9 and 13 - indicate certificates for at least five deaths were issued on that day. They were both private military contractors, according to people who know them.

    The death of a Russian citizen would have to be registered at the consulate in order to repatriate the body back to Russia via civilian channels, according to the Russian diplomat.

    A death certificate from the consulate would also help with bureaucracy back home relating to the dead person’s assets, the diplomat said.

    The bodies of Russians fighting on the rebel side are not repatriated, according to a former Russian official who dealt with at least six cases of Russians killed in Syria and the relatives of four Russian Islamists killed there.

    So lets get this straight... they have only seen three death certificates.

    To take the body back to Russia they need a death certificate and to sort out assets they need a certificate.

    About 10,000 Russian citizens went to Syria with pro islamic beliefs.... it is pretty clear that if they want to settle their assets they need a body. It is claimed by Reuters that mercenaries can be sent back, so who is to say that these so called 131 bodies returned are all Russian government soldiers?

    Clearly ISIS and the anti Assad forces have been taking heavy losses particularly this year... we know what cowards they are... dressing up as women to escape, would it be so unlikely that their friends are getting their bodies certified as dead and sending them home to Russia and hoping the west mistakes them for contract soldiers?

    Contract mercenaries have no military status with Russia... why would the Russian military bother to count them?

    What are the chances of Putin not being re-elected if that was what he wanted... what competition is there really?

    What a shit article.... I am surprised they didn't blame Russian Hackers for hiding the numbers and making Hilary lose. dunno


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:34 am

    There are 30000 people with Russian citizenship living in Syria, these numbers are barely above standard death rate

    Usual Reuters bullshit...
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    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 am

    Reuters forgot to multiply the number by 10. The padded 1310 figure would sound more serious. Reuters, AP, and the rest
    of the fake stream NATO media routinely pad estimates of rapes and deaths to further the regime change agenda.

    But there are also useful idiots in Russia, like the "Soldiers' Mothers" organization that claims ludicrous losses as
    part of its 5th column agitation.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:37 am

    Aparently Reuters faked the document...

    "Sensation! Poroshenko dies in Syria" - Russian media trolls Reuters


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/10/sensation-poroshenko-dies-in-syria.html
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  medo on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:04 am

    Isos wrote:
    medo wrote:Considering, that war in Syria is coming to an end, Russian NAVY want to take opportunity to test Steregushy corvettes in combat. They don't have Kalibr missiles in UKSK, but they could attack land targets with Kh-35U missiles. They have around 300 km range, so they could attack targets in Idlib, but not in Deir Ezzor region.

    It was already seen on a Ka-52 in Syria. They have probably tested it since the begining. But I think they improve or make changes to softwares each time they lunch a cruise missile like kh-101 or Kalibr to see what is good and what could be changed for the serial production.

    The number of lunches is a proof. Those cruise missiles have 0 military reason to be lunched against such targets in Syria so they are used to show to US they have them or to test them. Since they have already showed to the world that they have such missiles when they lunched them from Caspian sea, the only other reason is that they are testing them and improving them.

    That should be the case of Kh-35U because its land attack capabilities are not those of Kalibr or Kh-101 so they will have lot of results to analyse and make lot of changes in their software and test them lot of times.

    Moreover since the day we spotted this Ka-52 with Kh-35 and today, it took some time. That should be the time needed to upgrade the missiles.

    Kh-35U was used by Su-35 against ground terrorist targets in Syria. Using those missiles by Steregushy corvettes is not that much testing those missiles as testing corvettes. They are meant to use basic anti-ship Kh-35 missiles with 130 km range, but using Kh-35U in Syria could show, that Steregushi have longer range against enemy ships as well as capabilities to strike ground targets.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:43 pm


    Russian submarine delivers cruise missile strike on terrorists in Syria

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/973439

    Video: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/925388529215115264
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:25 pm


    Six Russian Long-Range Bombers Strike Daesh Command Posts in Deir-ez-Zor

    Russian long-range aviation has targeted Daesh targets in the town of Abu Kemal in the province of Deir ez-Zor for the second day in a row.


    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201711021058755496-russia-syria-bombers-abu-kemal/
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:15 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Six Russian Long-Range Bombers Strike Daesh Command Posts in Deir-ez-Zor

    Russian long-range aviation has targeted Daesh targets in the town of Abu Kemal in the province of Deir ez-Zor for the second day in a row.


    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201711021058755496-russia-syria-bombers-abu-kemal/

    Think the message here is that the SAA and allies are determined that the SDF will not be crossing the river.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:41 pm

    Must make ISIS comms pretty difficult

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:35 am

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Six Russian Long-Range Bombers Strike Daesh Command Posts in Deir-ez-Zor

    Russian long-range aviation has targeted Daesh targets in the town of Abu Kemal in the province of Deir ez-Zor for the second day in a row.

    6 x bombs each...although they seem bigger than the ones dropped on earlier occassions


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    Latakia or DeZ??
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:36 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Six Russian Long-Range Bombers Strike Daesh Command Posts in Deir-ez-Zor

    Russian long-range aviation has targeted Daesh targets in the town of Abu Kemal in the province of Deir ez-Zor for the second day in a row.

    6 x bombs each...although they seem bigger than the ones dropped on earlier occassions
    ......

    Yeah, these seem to be the go-to model lately. Which ones are they?


    Latakia or DeZ??

    No buildings, no trees, no mountains. Definitely no Latakia.

    Also, no way anyone without Russian uniform would be taking selfies in Latakia.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:33 pm

    Looks like the third raid in three days and more Kalibr than I've seen mentioned.

    MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. Six Russian Tupolev-22M3 bombers and The Kolpino submarine have carried out a massive strike against militants of the Islamic State (terrorist group outlawed in Russia) in Syria, Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Friday.

    "Long-range bombers Tupolev-22 and the submarine The Kolpino have dealt a massive missile and air strike against the infrastructure and militants of the Islamic State near Abu Kamal. Six strategic bombers Tupolev-22 and six submarine-launched cruise missiles Kalibr hit terrorists’ fortifications, weapons and ammunition depots, manpower and command centers," he said.

    Konashenkov described the losses suffered by a major Islamic State group near Abu Kamal as very heavy. "This enabled General Hassan Suheil’s assault forces to launch active offensive operations with the aim to wipe out the Islamic State’s last stronghold in the east of Syria," Konashenkov said.

    The submarine The Kolpino launched the Kalibr missiles from a submerged position at a distance of more than 650 kilometers. Participating in the missile and air strike were Sukhoi-24 and Sukhoi-34 bombers from the Khmeymim air base. The Sukhoi-30SM, Sukhoi-35 and MiG-29 fighters of the Russian Aerospace Group in Syria provided protection for the operation.

    As he reviewed the statistics of air strikes made over the past three days Konashenkov said that Tupolev-22 bombers hit Islamic State terrorists in the east of Syria eighteen times. The submarines The Veliki Novgorod and The Kolpino, currently in the Mediterranean, launched nine cruise missiles Kalibr.


    http://tass.com/defense/974136
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:39 pm

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    Did Veliki Novgorod sub even bother to visit it's new headquarters in Sevastopol since it entered Med because I don't remember it doing anything else than Kalibrating terrorists?

    Did they just say "meh, we're good here, fuel and fresh missiles are in Tartus, let's do some overtime"? Very Happy
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:57 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Latakia or DeZ??

    Kweiris airport, helicopter wreckage visible in a backgrounds, he is there for years.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:59 pm

    Again



    + low quality drone video of Kalibr strikes.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:03 pm

    There was a mention of Mig-29 I presume this was syrian airforce mig or has Russia actually sent mig-29SMT and if they have any info of it being used for ground attack?


    Also I see Israel is at it again firing artillery in support of terrorist scum near golan heights allowing to break the siege on beit jinn through a slim corridor. Although SAA have recovered most of the ground back. That Beit Jinn pocket needs closing asap
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  medo on Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:38 pm

    There was a video of new MiG-29SMT in Latakia.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:55 pm

    medo wrote:There was a video of new MiG-29SMT in Latakia.

    I saw that but I thought it hadn't been confirmed. Also has it been used for ground attack missions? If so shame no news on it.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    Did Veliki Novgorod sub even bother to visit it's new headquarters in Sevastopol since it entered Med because I don't remember it doing anything else than Kalibrating terrorists?

    Did they just say "meh, we're good here, fuel and fresh missiles are in Tartus, let's do some overtime"? Very Happy
    I am sure that in the back of your mind you know the Montreal Treaty on the Bosphorus off by heart Smile

    Submarines are only allowed to exit the Black Sea, once in it, for major maintenance work. So the new submarines on their way to join the Black Sea Fleet are kept by the Russians off Syria either until they are replaced or the conflict ends.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:06 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Yeah, these seem to be the go-to model lately. Which ones are they?

    They look like FAB-500M-62 aerial bombs

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:59 am

    The 62 model bombs are aerodynamic for external carriage on fighterbombers... the flat nosed 54 models are for internal bomb bay use.

    Interesting that they are using bombs designed for external carriage internally.

    The rate of descent will be different which I suspect the bombing system will allow for.

    Perhaps they are running out of 54 model bombs or they just wanted to use up some later 62 model bombs that are getting old.

    Note 62 and 54 does not mean that was when they were made.... that is the design shape of them.. they were both produced massively, with the 54 models used on subsonic types like the Su-25 and helicopters and internally in aircraft that could carry bombs internally, while the 62 models were carried on faster types like the MIGs (15/17/21/23/27) and Sukhois (7/17/20/22/24/34).


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:05 pm

    At this point it is sure the war in Syria is cleaning the stocks of the oldest ammunitions. Land and air ammunitions. The oldest stocks and models of ammunition should be also exhausted in this war. If there is still some ammunition of models of the 1950s will be exhausted fast.

    The 54 and 62 designations would not be the year of production, but are related to the year of adoption of the ammunition.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:33 pm

    Tu22 strikes again today.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201711041554-17hm.htm

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