sepheronx wrote:If they were using their IRST, then yes, they would have noticed those F-22's. If the F-22's radar would be on, then the sensors on Su-30 and 35 would have noticed them too. If the plane was flying behind them then maybe not.
The interception was Su-24's from Syria. Nothing to do with Russia or Su-30-35 which Alfa is full of shit about.
Hehe, only mentioned it to see the reaction.
Also, i didn't know S-400 coverage didn't reach there.
First and foremost.. Russia shares Radar information with Syria.
S-400 radars can detect anything 500km range. So it covers all Syria
and parts of IRAQ too. all the way to Telaviv and ANkara. It also have setup radars in Aleppo.
Syria also have pantsirs that can detect F-22. Aside IRAQ and IRAN which also have long range radars shares information with Russia and Syria about US planes.
So the whole story is fake. there is no way Americans can send F-22
to Syria without being noticed by any radar. or to Allow Russia capture its signal emissions ,aside of the risk of the plane crashing in Syria.. whether for technical malfunction or for the plane being shot down by a Syrian mig. the monumental scandal that will cause an F-22 being shot down. it will only serve to completely destroy Obama war in Syria and provoke the Exceptional Egos in America to demand either full scale war or leave syria.
In any Military.. there is something called NATION IMAGE.
that major powers specially US and Russia will always try to protect.
This is the reason why Americans do not send B-2 bombers to Syria , an instead use many decades old bombers there. SAme reason why Germany sent the oldest planes they had in
inventory ,so that if anything wrong happens ,they will not lose much.
If anyone remembers the F-117 shotdown in Serbia , it provoked a major embarassament
of Americans there and shortly after the plane was decommissioned. If Syria with Old migs
with helps of Russian radars ,a happy trigger Syrian pilot shot down two F-22.. it not only will
provoke the major laugh worldwide at American Military ,and major embarassment and defeat to Americans propaganda of their invincibility. And if that was not bad enough ..it will make it very hard for Pentagon to justify more funding for more F-22 planes if discovered they are not as stealthy as they though and very vulnerable in Russia defended Airspace.
So it was a fake story. nothing more and nothing else. There are no F-22s anywhere near Syria in any place. This is why i said , 99% of the people in this forum understand absolutely nothing
of American policy. They are masters of Propaganda. masters of deception. And trying to create a world empire.. and allowing or taking the risk , of their best planes to be shutdown ,is not the way American military will earn respect from its enemies.
In Military you only earn respect with Force and cutting edge technology.. and nothing else.
And giving the opportunity to its enemies to try and shutdown their best planes , will be risking
a lot more than the plane technology being taken.. but also encourage other nations to disrespect American military too.. This will also destroy the potential sales of other American stealth planes.
The US gov and NATO will say.. Why spend so much in a F-35 or F-22 ,if Russian radars and combat jets can see them anyway and can be shot down easily?
So there is a LOT in place in Syria. Is not only a war , but Politics and Business too ,what is in place . If two F-22 are shot down in Syria , people will demand Obama to resign. how about that? It never happened. No F-22 ever in Syria. Any major humiliation in Syria for American
military could spell the end of Obama war in Syria. So they are not going to take those risk ,and will instead use their oldest technology instead.
This is why Ameicans using a Boeing: B-52 bomber in Syria and Not their B2..
Americans simply don't use their best weapons ,allowing Russia spy on them.
Wake up.. to have logic is not that hard. Americans are simply Masters of Propaganda
and Deception and when i say this , people really not remotely close to understand how
an understatement this is. They recruit an entire team of people to advice of how to deceive
better the world in their illegal war in Syria and justify their actions. Is by manipulating the truth and manipulating people emotions ,how they do it. They call terrorist moderates.. and if their oil trucks not bombed.. is because there are civilians near..
And they no longer supporting Moderates.. but the "new Syrian army" and "Syrian democratic forces".
In wars , the truth is the first victim. and this one is not different. Americans simply trying to prepare Public Opinion for when the time comes and they shoot down a Syrian plane. they will claim later it was in "Self defense". So Syria and Russia better be ready for that.. Americans are giving signals of preparing its society for increasing their hostilities against the Syrian Government and start trying to impose a no fly zone there "to protect their soldiers".
Kerry was 10 HOURS!!! in a meeting with Lavrov.. This is how serious they are in brainwashing tactics. Smiles , Shakes of hands.. Blinks , jokes here and there.. and Im ready ,you are ready , lets do it.. wink.
I tell you this. .Americans are masters of Deception and Propaganda ,and believe it , is not a joke. They hire professionals to be more effective in manipulating people to do what they want. Basically Kerry asked the same thing in a many different ways to LAvrov and he said no. Assad will not go without elections and Alqaeda and ISIS will continue to be bombed.
More deception tactics..
This was the meeting (Jul 14 2016) that was supposed to put an end the war in Syria.'I'm ready, you’re ready, let's go!' Kerry sits down for Syria talks with Putin in Moscow
But what really happened? NOTHING!!! they agreed on Nothing.
Kerry simply was trying to influence Putin , with politeness ,good manners to soften its stance in Syria and allow them to peacefully dismember Syria and kick assad, but failed. So Putin is not a traitor , like many claims.. his only crime , and it is a crime..is a major lack of leadership he have ,outside of Russia. Do not understand how to influence americans Government or its society ,neither Europe to become an ally of Russia and not its enemy.
Russia will do good to hire American Proffessors of Universities of Business schools.
So Russian government understand better more about leadership. More about Influence.
That is nothing more than the ability to make people do the things you want. This is Russia
major problem. Its Government do not understand how to convince AMericans and Europeans
to be their allies. This is very important ,because is what will make the difference between Sanctions or not. Ending the cold war or not. and avoiding any major conflict with the west.