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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  x_54_u43 on Tue May 10, 2016 11:51 pm

    ultron wrote:Reports of a Russian jet downed near Homs. Waiting for more info.

    Thanks for the valuable information, keep me posted.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Wed May 11, 2016 12:07 am

    Considering this is the original source of the news... i laugh at it

    http://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/944702

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed May 11, 2016 10:39 am

    Now people see why Russia needs its Armata?

    T-90 is not good enough. I dont care if it is better or worse than any NATO tank.
    or that is cheaper . if is not good enough ,then is not good enough. as simple as that. Losing
    soldiers lives could be the end result for not good enough hardware. Russia army needs a tank that can intercept any TOW or anti tank missile. and not give it a chance to even reach the tank. if Russia allow TOW missiles to hit their tanks they are doing something wrong. This pose a major risk for Russian army soldiers life and even if it doesn't penetrate the tank it can destroy vital sensors and equipment in the exterior of the tank. Obviously the over hyped Shtora defense of T-90 are not working. This is the second time that fails to activate to cloud the tank,,and there are no repair shops near. what a nice "Cease of Fire" that Russia cooked with their American "partners" .

    i dont know what Russia is lately doing in Syria ,but leaving their tanks in the open exposed
    for terrorist to practice shooting and without any soldier watching for any possible incoming fire ,is inexcusable. All those TOW missiles produce a lot of noise when launched , and if their shtora defenses doesn't work they at least need to be careful where they station their tanks .Then  Use terrain for cover . No

    Russia needs to take more seriously the war in Syria and the security of their tanks ,planes and soldiers. Putin should stop trusting their in their Americans partners, neither Them or Turkey will stop its aggression on Syria until they see it disbanded like Lybia.

    Russia lost a pilot in latakia for trusting in Turkey and i hope Russia and mr Putin , no longer lower its guard against US ,Turkey or any one seeking to disband the country.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Azi on Wed May 11, 2016 12:04 pm

    Militarov wrote:Considering this is the original source of the news... i laugh at it

    http://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/944702
    The news was pure bs! But a syrian helicopter was shot down O.o

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    Post  Azi on Wed May 11, 2016 12:27 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Now people see why Russia needs its Armata?

    T-90 is not good enough. I dont care if it is better or worse than any NATO tank.
    or that is cheaper . if is not good enough ,then is not good enough. as simple as that. Losing
    soldiers lives could be the end result for not good enough hardware. Russia army needs a tank that can intercept any TOW or anti tank missile. and not give it a chance to even reach the tank. if Russia allow TOW missiles to hit their tanks they are doing something wrong. This pose a major risk for Russian army soldiers life and even if it doesn't penetrate the tank it can destroy vital sensors and equipment in the exterior of the tank. Obviously the over hyped Shtora defense of T-90 are not working. This is the second time that fails to activate to cloud the tank,,and there are no repair shops near. what a nice "Cease of Fire" that Russia cooked with their American "partners" .

    i dont know what Russia is lately doing in Syria ,but leaving their tanks in the open exposed
    for terrorist to practice shooting and without any soldier watching for any possible incoming fire ,is inexcusable. All those TOW missiles produce a lot of noise when launched , and if their shtora defenses doesn't work they at least need to be careful where they station their tanks .Then  Use terrain for cover . No

    Russia needs to take more seriously the war in Syria and the security of their tanks ,planes and soldiers. Putin should stop trusting their in their Americans partners, neither Them or Turkey will stop its aggression on Syria until they see it disbanded like Lybia.

    Russia lost a pilot in latakia for trusting in Turkey and i hope Russia and mr Putin , no longer lower its guard against US ,Turkey or any one seeking to disband the country.
    ... o.O

    The T-90 in it's many versions is a state of the art tank. Maybe it's passive protection is a few percent worse to western tanks, it has the advantage of active protection, a low profile and great agility. You can't have 100% protection against everything and in a war people dying, so the best to protect human lifes is to avoid war! Russia will receive soon the first big batches of Armata tanks and when it will be the best tank of the world. But even with the Armata tank you won't have 100% protection! First of all for Russia the prosperity of the own country is more important, than wasting money for arms. So the balance is important between arms and civilian projects. Maybe we have a "cold war" now, but it is still cold and not hot, don't forget!

    In Syria the T-90ies are manned by SYRIAN forces. Their expertise is lower compared to russian crew tanks, don't forget! And in Syria the big advantage of rebels are not their great firepower or tanks, the advantage is mobility and dirty tactics. Can you imagine a conventional force (USA, Russia, China etc.) using SVBIED? NO! So the solution for syrian conflict is to have the right pressure and negotiation with oppotunistic rebel groups.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 11, 2016 12:35 pm

    FFS you can reply without quoting, if I got someone on ignore it's exactly for that reason.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 11, 2016 12:48 pm

    Now people see why Russia needs its Armata?

    No.

    Any tank is vulnerable... it just takes one mistake one time for any tank to be immobilised or killed.

    A Konkurs to the rear of the turret will pretty much take out any tank crew in that turret... HMG fire to the tracks will immobilise any tank... even Armata.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 11, 2016 1:07 pm

    Actually I have been meaning to say something in this regard.

    If you are replying to a particular comment just quote the comment not the whole post please.

    If your answer is to the whole general post please do not quote the whole post... just begin your post with the @ sign and the name of the member you are talking to or whose post you are referring to.

    So for example if I was talking to KoTeMoRe I would do it this way:

    FFS you can reply without quoting, if I got someone on ignore it's exactly for that reason.

    See above.

    And if I was replying to Azi I would do this:

    @Azi

    Please do not quote entire posts, just use the @ symbol and the members username like I have here.

    I am pretty sure there is something about not quoting full posts... will check later and perhaps make things clearer.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  max steel on Wed May 11, 2016 2:21 pm

    Militarov wrote:http://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/svet/20160510/1105581730/Teroristi-tenk-Sirija.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F566ABZLijV&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=bnwY&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

    Serbian Sputnik claims it was "destroyed"




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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  calm on Wed May 11, 2016 6:46 pm

    He is mad at Russia
    But it's interesting to hear about reducing of forces(hezbollah, Iran, Iraq) and blaming it on Russia(savig their as*** for 6 months) dunno , and defending of the cities like before.

    Russia equivocates in Syria, Iran is confused and al-Qaeda takes the initiative
    https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/russia-equivocates-in-syria-iran-is-confused-and-al-qaeda-takes-the-initiative/
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 11, 2016 7:33 pm

    calm wrote:He is mad at Russia
    But it's interesting to hear about reducing of forces(hezbollah, Iran, Iraq) and blaming it on Russia(savig their as*** for 6 months)  dunno , and defending of the cities like before.

    Russia equivocates in Syria, Iran is confused and al-Qaeda takes the initiative
    https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/russia-equivocates-in-syria-iran-is-confused-and-al-qaeda-takes-the-initiative/

    Lot of anger there. It doesn't make any sense. So what's going to happen if every one leaves the Syrian boat?

    The biggest issue I see with this is that, indeed, the Russians maybe were prematurely hoping that the US would be able to honor its part of the deal.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ultron on Wed May 11, 2016 8:37 pm

    I think the original plan was to liberate Idlib province. This is what Putin promised Soleimani. Then Putin broke his promise when he signed the peace deal with Obama. In any case, Obama will be out of office in a few months and there will be no more peace in Syria.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 11, 2016 8:43 pm

    So another soldier killed? 7 total now?
    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160511/1039462288/syria-homs-russia-combat.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FYt7IK8k2tx&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=bnNq&utm_campaign=URL_shortening
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Wed May 11, 2016 8:48 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So another soldier killed? 7 total now?
    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160511/1039462288/syria-homs-russia-combat.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FYt7IK8k2tx&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=bnNq&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

    Yeah, this is new one.

    Sad news.

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    Post  ultron on Wed May 11, 2016 9:03 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So another soldier killed? 7 total now?
    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160511/1039462288/syria-homs-russia-combat.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FYt7IK8k2tx&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=bnNq&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

    It would have been better if ceasefire never happened. The war would have been over by now. As long as the war continues, more and more people will die needlessly. Sad story. RIP
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 11, 2016 10:26 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So another soldier killed? 7 total now?
    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160511/1039462288/syria-homs-russia-combat.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FYt7IK8k2tx&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=bnNq&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

    Yeah, this is new one.

    Sad news.

    ..........Identified as Anton Yerygin, the serviceman died of heavy injuries sustained during an insurgent attack in the Syrian province of Homs.

    Yerygin was reportedly on duty, escorting Russia's Hmeymim reconciliation center vehicles, when the convoy was shelled by terrorists earlier this week. The soldier was rushed to a Russian military hospital.

    "The soldier had been transported to a hospital where Russian mlitary doctors fought for his life for two days, but failed to save him," a spokesman for Hmeymim base said on Wednesday................

    Slava mu.

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    These negotiation tours are way too public to be safe. They better wrap this part soon and then either stick with Hmeim and Tartus or go full Rolling Thunder with the VKS. Just stay out of the countryside.

    Russia already secured all it's geopolitical and military interests in Syria (Air/Naval base, hydrocarbon route control, diplomacy, weapons testing, etc) so either move forward with heavy approach or, if Syrians are that tired of having a country, help detach Latakia/Damascus state from the rest of the corpse, sit back, do your thing and enjoy the show next door.
    I don’t think that folks in Latakia would have problem with it. One way or another they are covered.  

    Either way stick with what you know, nobody wants them to repeat Operation Iraqi Freedom. We all know how that went.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 11, 2016 10:43 pm


    Anyone care to speculate why RU Military is sending Raptor patrol boats to Syria?

    Seems a bit out of the left field to me but I'm not really mid-east tactics expert. dunno




    Also some pics:
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Wed May 11, 2016 10:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Anyone care to speculate why RU Military is sending Raptor patrol boats to Syria?

    Seems a bit out of the left field to me but I'm not really mid-east tactics expert. dunno

    Too small to be of any "strategic" value. Most likely just to patrol around naval facilities and transport staff and small cargo to ships that cant get into docks.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ultron on Wed May 11, 2016 10:52 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:I don’t think that folks in Latakia would have problem with it. One way or another they are covered.

    Latakia is indefensible unless Idlib is secured. Idlib being breeding ground of terrorists means no peace for Latakia.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Zivo on Wed May 11, 2016 10:59 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Anyone care to speculate why RU Military is sending Raptor patrol boats to Syria?

    Seems a bit out of the left field to me but I'm not really mid-east tactics expert. dunno

    Too small to be of any "strategic" value. Most likely just to patrol around naval facilities and transport staff and small cargo to ships that cant get into docks.

    Chase down suicide boats. It's only a matter of time before ISIS and Friends try to hit Russian vessels.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu May 12, 2016 12:48 am

    This was written in another board today:

    Another Russian soldier killed in Homs province by rebels fire. At least 21 Iranian soldiers were killed in S. Aleppo where Russian are refusing to help loyalists defend territory. There was also a significant amount of casualties among the Syrian army during the Khan Thuman battle. At least 2 Syrian soldiers were captured and 1 has been executed. At least 5 more(most likely Iraqis paramilitary) captured as well with their fate unknown.

    Growing discontent and tension between Iran & Russia where they don't agree on objectives & strategies.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu May 12, 2016 12:54 am

    Do you think the discontent between Russia and Iran is that Iran wants a more hardliner stance and crush the rebels while Russia wants to adhere the ceasefire deal with Russia's Western partners?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu May 12, 2016 1:03 am

    Russian defense Ministry: the trucks loaded with chemical ammunition arrived at the position of "al-Nusra Dzhebhat"


    MOSCOW, may 11. /TASS/. Grouping of the international terrorist organization "Dzhebhat an-Nusra" (banned in Russia) continue fighting aimed at disrupting the "regime of silence" in Syria, their ranks replenished by militants, in addition arrive ammunition filled with toxic substances. This was reported in the newsletter of the Center for conciliation of the warring parties in the Syrian Arab Republic published on the website of the Ministry of defense of the Russian Federation.

    "Received the reconciliation Centre from the local people information, from the territory of Turkey in the town of Kafr Hamra arrived more than 100 terrorist groups "Dzhebhat an-Nusra". In addition, from the province of Idlib controlled by the terrorists "Dzhebhat an-Nusra" the territory North of Aleppo arrived a few trucks loaded with improvised munitions filled with toxic substances based on chlorine," - noted in the Bulletin.
    During the day in the province of Aleppo district of Ashrafieh, controlled by terrorists "Dzhebhat an-Nusra", three times opened fire from jet systems of volley fire on the quarter of Sheikh Maqsood, the report said. "Wounded 6 civilians, including 1 child. During the day from the villages Muheim-Handout and Kritan with mortars and artillery shelled five times the settlement Kondrat", - informs the Center.
    As stated earlier, the official representative of Russian foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova, in Syria and Iraq currently growing threat of chemical terrorism. According to her, the Russian foreign Ministry has regularly stated that the acquisition by non-state actors military-chemical potential, including of foreign origin, not just extremely dangerous, but also able to have an increasingly destabilizing effect throughout the middle East region. In turn, Russia's permanent representative to the UN Vitaly Churkin noted that Russia is of particular concern reports about the militants use curb toxic substances ammunition.


    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/politika/3274187







    PapaDragon wrote:
    ..........Identified as Anton Yerygin, the serviceman died of heavy injuries sustained during an insurgent attack in the Syrian province of Homs.

    Yerygin was reportedly on duty, escorting Russia's Hmeymim reconciliation center vehicles, when the convoy was shelled by terrorists earlier this week. The soldier was rushed to a Russian military hospital.

    "The soldier had been transported to a hospital where Russian mlitary doctors fought for his life for two days, but failed to save him," a spokesman for Hmeymim base said on Wednesday................

    Slava mu.



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    PapaDragon wrote:
    These negotiation tours are way too public to be safe. They better wrap this part soon and then either stick with Hmeim and Tartus or go full Rolling Thunder with the VKS. Just stay out of the countryside.

    Russia already secured all it's geopolitical and military interests in Syria (Air/Naval base, hydrocarbon route control, diplomacy, weapons testing, etc) so either move forward with heavy approach or, if Syrians are that tired of having a country, help detach Latakia/Damascus state from the rest of the corpse, sit back, do your thing and enjoy the show next door.
    I don’t think that folks in Latakia would have problem with it. One way or another they are covered.  

    Either way stick with what you know, nobody wants them to repeat Operation Iraqi Freedom. We all know how that went.


    I would say "analysts´ insights" are not worth paper they are written on, good for electronic media. Important is what is real planning and strategy is. We can only guess but so much contradict info form both sides... maybe this i s on purpose? to create more approval from folks in Russia, PR campaign before something changes?




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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ultron on Thu May 12, 2016 1:03 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Do you think the discontent between Russia and Iran is that Iran wants a more hardliner stance and crush the rebels while Russia wants to adhere the ceasefire deal with Russia's Western partners?

    It don't matter. Obama is leaving office in a few months and all hell will break loose.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu May 12, 2016 1:11 am

    ultron wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Do you think the discontent between Russia and Iran is that Iran wants a more hardliner stance and crush the rebels while Russia wants to adhere the ceasefire deal with Russia's Western partners?

    It don't matter. Obama is leaving office in a few months and all hell will break loose.
    It Hitlery wins yes. If Trump, who knows.

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