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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Zivo on Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:16 am

    JohninMK wrote:Now the distances are getting longer, supply trucks are becoming much more important, here is a Russian merchant Ro-Ro ship almost overflowing with them on the Syrian Express yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/702763093353480192/photo/1

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Militarov on Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:30 am

    Zivo wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Now the distances are getting longer, supply trucks are becoming much more important, here is a Russian merchant Ro-Ro ship almost overflowing with them on the Syrian Express yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/702763093353480192/photo/1

    How old are those ZIL's?

    Very old. Last ZiL 130 was made in early 1994. however i doubt any were built for military purposes post mid 80s. So at least 30 years old. GAZ66 was never produced in wast numbers on other hand, at least compared to some other trucks in USSR-Russian service, but they also havent been produced for some 15 years. They are probably trying to get rid of them as they are burden to logistics.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:25 am


    It just occurred to me that we have all been missing one ''little'' aspect of this entire Syria shindig that would further explain Russia's interest and Turkey's batsh*t insane behavior (on top of their standard chronic neo-ottoman genocidal urges).

    Turkey's position in NATO along with their entire usefulness to that org and the West and Turkish geopolitical standing hinges on one thing and one thing alone: control of Bosporus Straight.

    Without it they are nothing, just another worthless Mid East Suni hellhole without prospects and more enemies and skeletons in the closet than anyone can count.

    Montreux Convention limits types of ships that can pass trough Bosporus (no nuke ships or subs for example). But once Russian Navy gets that shiny new base in Syria they will be able to park whatever they want there, from Raptor boats and Buyan corvettes to Borei subs and Kirov battle cruisers.

    And when that happens Black Sea will instantly become just a quiet , boring, lower priority backwater and a sideshow in global events...along with entire country called Turkey!!!

    That means very few (if any) sh*ts will be given in the West (and everywhere else) about what turkos think, like or would want.

    So methinks that turks are in even bigger lurch than anyone thinks and turks know it and can't do squat about it!!! Twisted Evil
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:31 am


    Forprost over Syria


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  ult on Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:37 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  par far on Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:10 pm

    Would you guys support sending Russian private military to Syria? The orivate military could be under the control of the Russian government.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:17 pm

    par far wrote:Would you guys support sending Russian private military to Syria? The orivate military could be under the control of the Russian government.


    It would not be private military if staffed by Russian citizens and under direct control of Russian government.  

    So answer is: no.

    Current level of involvement is more than sufficient and is getting the results.

    But I am not Russian citizen so my opinion is hardly benchmark on this issue.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  ult on Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:18 pm

    No. It's much safer to send 200 000 army than a small group. And I'm against that as well. Most of the forces there are too cowardly and stupid/untrained. They will just leave your flanks exposed and run. You can't rely on them like you can on Russian army. So it's just asking for trouble.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  ult on Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:36 pm

    Tu-214R with cover.





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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Militarov on Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:43 pm



    Forpost UAV in Syria
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:46 am

    #ShotaCrosstheBow The Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs for Germany, and Atlanta-cyst, Norbert Röttgen, gives a thinly veiled threat against Putin:

    "Putin must pay for what he did in Syria!"

    ...I wonder if he's on he BILD's payroll, and Julian-Roped-Cuck's medication... lol1
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:06 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:#ShotaCrosstheBow The Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs for Germany, and Atlanta-cyst, Norbert Röttgen, gives a thinly veiled threat against Putin:

    "Putin must pay for what he did in Syria!"

    ...I wonder if he's on he BILD's payroll, and Julian-Roped-Cuck's medication... lol1

    How dare Russia help defeat Al-Qaeda (an-Nusra) and its more verminous version, Daesh.   How dare it!

    Norbi and his boy Julian badly need to get some hot anal action from their beloved jihadis.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:16 am

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:#ShotaCrosstheBow The Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs for Germany, and Atlanta-cyst, Norbert Röttgen, gives a thinly veiled threat against Putin:

    "Putin must pay for what he did in Syria!"

    ...I wonder if he's on he BILD's payroll, and Julian-Roped-Cuck's medication... lol1

    How dare Russia help defeat Al-Qaeda (an-Nusra) and its more verminous version, Daesh.   How dare it!

    Norbi and his boy Julian badly need to get some hot anal action from their beloved jihadis.

    After this they might loose their heads for them either Twisted Evil



    Mr. Roettgen from Germany's Christian Democratic Party is a leading functionary within the U.S. NGO „Atlantikbruecke“. While he had very limited success in various political posts in Germany, he's now found “his role” as an aggressive propagandist against Russia and its President Putin

    So such a McCain doggie barking
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:40 am

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:#ShotaCrosstheBow The Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs for Germany, and Atlanta-cyst, Norbert Röttgen, gives a thinly veiled threat against Putin:

    "Putin must pay for what he did in Syria!"

    ...I wonder if he's on he BILD's payroll, and Julian-Roped-Cuck's medication... lol1

    How dare Russia help defeat Al-Qaeda (an-Nusra) and its more verminous version, Daesh.   How dare it!

    Norbi and his boy Julian badly need to get some hot anal action from their beloved jihadis.

    Check my sig for reference... Wink

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  ult on Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:53 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:37 pm


    Syria civil war: State-of-the-art technology gives President Assad’s army the edge

    The regime has lost over 60,000 men since the war began, but new Russian equipment is helping turn the tide

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-state-of-the-art-technology-gives-president-assad-s-army-the-edge-a6898741.html

    You can see the Syrian army’s spanking new Russian T-90 tanks lined up in their new desert livery scarcely 100 miles from Isis’s Syrian “capital” of Raqqa.

    There are new Russian-made trucks alongside them, and a lot of artillery and – surely Isis’s spies are supposed to see this – plenty of Syrian soldiers walking beside the perimeter wire beside Russian soldiers wearing floppy military hats against the sun, the kind they used in the old days in the summer heat of Afghanistan in the 1980s. There’s even a Russian general based at the Isriyah military base, making sure that Syrian tank crews receive the most efficient training on the T-90s.

    No, Russian ground troops are not going to fight Isis. That was never the intention. The Russian air force attacks Isis from the air; the Syrians, the Iranians, the Afghan Shia Muslims from north-eastern Afghanistan, the Iraqi Shias and several hundred Pakistani Shias must attack Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra on the ground.

    But the Russians have to be up in the desert to the east of the Aleppo-Hama-Homs-Damascus axis, both to train the Syrian tank crews and maintain an eastern base of forward air controllers to guide the Sukhoi bombers on to their night-time targets.

    Everyone on the Syrian front lines will tell you that the Syrian air force bombs its enemies only in clear weather. When the winter clouds descend and the rain falls across northern and eastern Syria, the Russians take over.

    “The Syrians are low enough to see – the Russians, when they come, you never see them,” as one constant visitor to the war fronts put it with military simplicity. No wonder senior Russian officers are now also attached to the Syrian army command in Aleppo. Vladimir Putin doesn’t do things by halves.

    Yet the most important military support the Russians have given to the Syrians is not the tanks – impressive though they look – but the technology that goes with them.

    Syrian officers have been shown how the new T-90 anti-missile system causes rockets to veer off course only yards from the tanks when fired directly at them. Is this the weapon that might defeat the mass rocket assaults of Isis and Nusra? Perhaps. Even more important for the Syrians, however, are the new Russian night-vision motion sensors, and the electronic surveillance-reconnaissance equipment which enabled the government army to smash through the Nusra defences in the mountainous far north-west of Syria, breaking the rebel supply lines from Turkey to Aleppo.

    In an army that has lost well over 60,000 dead in almost five years of hard fighting, Syria’s officers have suddenly discovered that the new Russian technology has coincided with a rapid lowering of their casualties. This may be one reason for the steady trickle of old “Free Syrian Army” deserters back to the ranks of the government forces, depleting even further David Cameron’s 70,000-strong army of “moderate” ghost soldiers. Intriguingly, since the start of the war in 2011, a far higher percentage of Syrian police and political security personnel have gone across to Bashar al-Assad’s enemies than have soldiers in the regular army. There have been 5,000 security personnel defections out of a total force of 28,000 police.

    The Russians are in a unique position among Syrian ground forces; they can train the Syrians how to use the new tanks and then watch how the T-90s perform without having to suffer any casualties themselves. Originally, there were plans to recapture Palmyra, the Roman city already partly vandalised by Isis, but the difficulties of the flat desert terrain have persuaded the Syrians that offensives in the north to cut off all rebel routes from Turkey into Syria will be far more worthwhile.

    No wonder the Turks are now laying down shellfire amid Syrian forces along their mutual border. The Russians, of course, find it far easier to train men to fight in cities or mountains – environments in which they themselves have fought – than in deserts, in which no Russian military personnel have had experience since Gamal Abdel Nasser’s war in Yemen.

    The offensives that retook the Shia villages of Nubl and Zahra last month were of great interest to the Russian military. For the first time, Syrian army Special Forces, Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Lebanese Hezbollah fighters operated together with Syrian tanks and helicopters, blasting their way through 20 miles of villages and open countryside in just eight days.

    But the statistics of foreign forces fighting for the Syrian regime appear to have been grossly exaggerated in the West. There are fewer than 5,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards in Syria – this includes advisers as well as soldiers – and the other 5,000 foreign fighters include not only Afghans and Hezbollah but Pakistani Shia Muslims as well.

    Despite all the boasts of Saudi Arabia that it has formed a massive, if hopelessly untrained, “coalition against terror”, it seems that the Syrians, Iranians and Hezbollah have managed to operate together in difficult, rainy terrain and win their first major joint battle. Iranian forces are now being used on the front lines for the first time, principally around Aleppo. Their first advance began in the south Aleppo countryside in November. Officially, they and the Syrians were said to be planning to open the old international highway from Aleppo to Hama, but the real plan was to break the sieges of the Shia villages of Fuah and Kafraya.

    In the eastern countryside, Colonel Suheil Hassan, the “Tiger” whom some of the Syrian military regard as their Rommel, has been heading north to end an Isis siege on a Syrian airbase.

    But what of the Kurds, whose advance southwards has also endangered those rebel supply routes to Aleppo? The Syrians are grateful for any Kurdish help they can get. But few in the military have forgotten the chilling events of 2013, when retreating Syrians sought refuge with Kurdish forces after the battle for the Mineq airbase. The Kurds demanded a vast tranche of weapons from the Syrian army in return for their men – soldiers for ammunition – in which millions of rounds of AK-47 and machine-gun ammunition and thousands of rounds of rocket-propelled grenades were sought in return for the release of the soldiers.

    But the Kurds wanted to persuade Nusra to return Kurdish prisoners, and offered the senior Syrian officers from Mineq to Nusra in return for the captives. Nusra agreed, but once the Kurds handed over the Syrian officers, the Islamist rebels – who had lost around 300 of their own men in the Mineq battle – at once killed all the Syrian officers the Kurds had given them, shooting them in the head.

    Among them was the acting Syrian commander at Mineq, Colonel Naji Abu Shaar of the Syrian army’s 17th Division. Events like these will not endear the Kurds to the Syrian army in future years.

    Meanwhile, the Syrians continue to lose high-ranking officers in battle. At least six generals have been killed in combat during the Syrian war, allowing the army to proclaim that their top men lead from the front.

    The commander of Syria’s Special Forces was killed in Idlib, and the commander of Syrian military intelligence in the east of the country was killed in Deir al-Zour. Major-General Mohsen Mahlouf died in battle near Palmyra. General Saleh, a close friend and colleague of Colonel “Tiger” Hassan, took on the suicide bombers of al-Qaeda in the Sheikh Najjar Industrial City outside Aleppo a year ago.

    He told me that suicide bombers killed 23 of his men in one vast explosion there. I met him afterwards, and thought at the time that he had adopted a blithe – almost foolhardy – disregard of death. Just a month ago, he drove over an IED bomb which blew off the lower half of his right leg. These are hard men, many of whom trained in a Syrian military college whose front gate legend reads: “Welcome to the school of heroism, where the gods of war are made.” Chilling stuff.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Kriva on Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:07 am

    So they stopped bombing ISIS and Nusrats ?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:15 am

    Kriva wrote:So they stopped bombing ISIS and Nusrats ?

    NOPE, it's just not getting any press now. For the moment.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:15 am

    ult wrote:

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Erk on Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:48 am


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9vfX_R8MTI

    Quiet Russians in Syria
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:51 am

    Kriva wrote:So they stopped bombing ISIS and Nusrats ?

    ISIS, Nusra and friends are still on the menu, have no worries.

    Team Bear just took couple of days off to cool their jets (literally, in this case ) Cool

    They also do not want to freak out those groups that actually plan to adhere to ceasefire.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Erk on Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:44 am

    What is the point of the ceasefire? What does it actually achieve?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:47 am

    Erk wrote:What is the point of the ceasefire? What does it actually achieve?


    Both sides do BDA and check out their options.

    For SAA it's an important breather as it will allow the Iranians to assess how they work out with the VKS. This should lead to mainly the conclusion that the military solution is still on the table, for the "worthy Syria".
    For Moderats: checking out what can be salvaged. Mainly conditions for their capitulation. USA probably so see what the Russians have really done as damage and what they can do to slow the pace and save face.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:58 am

    Erk wrote:What is the point of the ceasefire? What does it actually achieve?


    Politically, diplomatically and PR wise plenty.

    But strictly militarily speaking it takes the load of SAA to deal with the priority issues without wasting time and resources fighting minor groups that would give up anyway at some point one way or another.

    Rebels lose support since population will taste peace for first time in 5 years and start questioning the wisdom of aforementioned rebels.

    Aleppo is already isolated and encircled so this is pretty much UN approved siege.

    Saudis and turks get their options trimmed down even further.

    Assad gets PR points and pisses off West some more. (this is minor one but whatever...)

    SAA gets to rest, train and, unlike their enemies, resupply and rearm.

    I am sure I missed some other points, rest of the folks can fill in...
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Erk on Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:17 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Erk wrote:What is the point of the ceasefire? What does it actually achieve?


    Politically, diplomatically and PR wise plenty.

    But strictly militarily speaking it takes the load of SAA to deal with the priority issues without wasting time and resources fighting minor groups that would give up anyway at some point one way or another.

    Rebels lose support since population will taste peace for first time in 5 years and start questioning the wisdom of aforementioned rebels.

    Aleppo is already isolated and encircled so this is pretty much UN approved siege.

    Saudis and turks get their options trimmed down even further.

    Assad gets PR points and pisses off West some more. (this is minor one but whatever...)

    SAA gets to rest, train and, unlike their enemies, resupply and rearm.

    I am sure I missed some other points, rest of the folks can fill in...

    So it's basically the same as intermission at a sports match.


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