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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:40 pm

    short_fuze wrote:A video showing successful active defense against an ATGM. The protection activates at about 6 seconds in.

    After a lengthy discussion in the other place, it was concluded as being a Shtora demonstration video and the target was a Bmp-3 probably in UAE
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  NationalRus on Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:.......................... Shocked

    Must be delayed shock. Vid was posted days ago.

    didnt saw it

    yeah a littel shock, palmyra "goverment front"

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:00 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:.......................... Shocked

    Must be delayed shock. Vid was posted days ago.

    didnt saw it

    yeah a littel shock, palmyra "goverment front"

    we are everywere


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:10 pm

    Well well.. It seems something happened in Munich Germany Syria conference
    Between US and Russia in the conference about Syria peace process and that it was a
    major victory for Russia and a potential end of the war.

    at least this is what Thierry Meyssan the french journalist who live in Syria
    and have been since 2011 /week 1 reporting about the reality of the Syrian uprising.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article190282.html

    That it was organized by US embassy and US NGOs.

    You can be a little skeptic because Tierry predictions about Syria
    have been wrong several times. and with US politics you cant never be sure
    if their speech in front of cameras is real or fake.


    But in one thing im 100% sure he is right..

    Basically the war in Syria have the interest in conflict of 4 or 6 factions..

    You have the ..
    1)Israel project "Greater Middle east" and their plan to destroy Syria and hezbolah.
    2)The Turkey ambitions of Anexing All Northern Syria and destroying kurds.
    3)The Saudi Ambitions of a pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Europe using Syria lands.
    4)The French Ambitions ,
    5)the US goals too.. that is weaken Russia and destroy Syria.
    6)The Kurds plans for their independent state...etc.
    7)and the Russian plans to destroy ISIS and alqaeda and all the chechens fighting there
    so they dont return to Russia. and to keep Syria integrity and not allow Syria to fall.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article190282.html

    Apparently according to Thierry US and Russia agreed in munich to end the war for real.
    and Saudi ,Turkey ,israel and France and UK can still sabotage the whole peace process.
    And in the signing document , the terrorist organizations Russia wanted to bomb , were labelled as terrorist in the list of UN.

    The rage of Erdogan lately ( ,and Saudis too) ,bombing Kurds ,and their call to Obama to
    "pick a side " either Kurds or Turkey. ,and their call to invade Syria
    could be a sign of frustration for Syria major enemies. Is not clear if Kerry vs Lavrov peace
    plan is genuine and not just another trick to earn time.
    of erdogan becoming isolated.

    Said in other words it is possible Russia agreed to the split of northen Syria for Kurds.
    in a semi independent state ,Something that i think Syria will need to really consider ,to have kurds as a buffer zone against Turkey.. and also Russia can use Kurds later to provoke Turkey
    in an endless civil war. In retaliation of what they did to Syria.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  short_fuze on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Same thing as with Su-30 pilots. After couple of weeks of flying around in circles waiting for turks they realised that turks are all talk and no balls and that bomber pilots are hogging all the fun so they said: ''please boss, let us drop a couple here and there, I mean we are already in the air for Pete Mitchell's sakes!!!'' lol1

    Plus, those old Soviet war loads will not use up themselves. Every little bit helps. thumbsup

    My thoughts too! It's all good practise!  Laughing

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  short_fuze on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:13 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Well well.. It seems something happened in Munich Germany Syria conference
    Between US and Russia in the conference about Syria peace process and that it was a
    major victory for Russia and a potential end of the war.

    at least this is what Thierry Meyssan the french journalist who live in Syria
    and have been since 2011 /week 1 reporting about the reality of the Syrian uprising.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article190282.html

    That it was organized by US embassy and US NGOs.

    You can be a little skeptic because Tierry predictions about Syria
    have been wrong several times. and with US politics you cant never be sure
    if their speech in front of cameras is real or fake.


    But in one thing im 100% sure he is right..

    Basically the war in Syria have the interest in conflict of 4 or 6 factions..

    You have the ..
    1)Israel project "Greater Middle east" and their plan to destroy Syria and hezbolah.
    2)The Turkey ambitions of Anexing All Northern Syria and destroying kurds.
    3)The Saudi Ambitions of a pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Europe using Syria lands.
    4)The French Ambitions ,
    5)the US goals too.. that is weaken Russia and destroy Syria.
    6)The Kurds plans for their independent state...etc.
    7)and the Russian plans to destroy ISIS and alqaeda and all the chechens fighting there
    so they dont return to Russia. and to keep Syria integrity and not allow Syria to fall.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article190282.html

    Apparently according to Thierry US and Russia agreed in munich to end the war for real.
    and Saudi ,Turkey ,israel and France and UK can still sabotage the whole peace process.
    And in the signing document , the terrorist organizations Russia wanted to bomb , were labelled as terrorist in the list of UN.

    The anger of Erdogan lately ( ,and Saudis too) ,bombing Kurds ,could be a positive sign.
    of erdogan becoming isolated.


    You forgot

    8 ) the UK keeping BP's fingers in the pie and generally fscking things up 'cos thats what they like to do.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:26 pm

    short_fuze wrote:

    You forgot

    8 ) the UK keeping BP's fingers in the pie and generally fscking things up 'cos thats what they like to do.

    Indeed.. but at least. It looks like Russia ,managed to Save Syria from being totally destroyed . and that US will not be arming more rebels. Still however Turkey ,saudi Arabia ,UK ,France can
    boycott the agreements between US and Russia. by sending more mercenaries and weapons.
    The pipeline project still is possible however.using kurds zones . and the whole peace plan ,can collapse if Hillary clinton becomes President and reverse the deal..and wants all Syria or nothing
    as they did in Lybia.

    If the report is correct.
    Syria will still be a big win for them from security point of view. Might lose kurds territory ,
    but will win a permanent Russia military base. with permanent S-400s. and modern weapons.
    and T-90 tanks.So Russia could keep Turkey and also Israel away of invading Syria.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  NationalRus on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:28 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:.......................... Shocked

    Must be delayed shock. Vid was posted days ago.

    didnt saw it

    yeah a littel shock, palmyra "goverment front"

    we are everywere


    nah, just more of



    just so so so open, so not ninja/specops style



    looks like MOD said "fuck it, we are going balls to the wall"
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    Post  Dima on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:30 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  headshot69 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:12 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  headshot69 on Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:19 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:29 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:.......................... Shocked

    Must be delayed shock. Vid was posted days ago.

    didnt saw it

    yeah a littel shock, palmyra "goverment front"

    we are everywere


    nah, just more of



    just so so so open, so not ninja/specops style



    looks like MOD said "fuck it, we are going balls to the wall"

    Well given that super duper sneaky Western Operators that were about 500 in Libya got continuously tangled in random cellphone videos, the Russian contingent that's providing fire support from all angles (bar space although you never know) wasn't going to play ninja. Plus they're guests. Bona fide guests why would they hide?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:15 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    short_fuze wrote:

    You forgot

    8 ) the UK keeping BP's fingers in the pie and generally fscking things up 'cos thats what they like to do.

    Indeed.. but at least. It looks like Russia ,managed to Save Syria from being totally destroyed . and that US will not be arming more rebels. Still however Turkey ,saudi Arabia ,UK ,France can
    boycott the agreements between US and Russia. by sending more mercenaries and weapons.
    The pipeline project still is possible however.using kurds zones . and the whole peace plan ,can collapse if Hillary clinton becomes President and reverse the deal..and wants all Syria or nothing
    as they did in Lybia.  

    If the report is correct.
    Syria will still be a big win for them from security point of view. Might lose kurds territory ,
    but will win a permanent Russia military base. with permanent S-400s. and modern weapons.
    and T-90 tanks.So Russia could keep Turkey and also Israel away of invading Syria.

    Naah Syria will not lose Krudish territories as Russia´s way and not interest to disintegrate other statehood.

    IMHO Full independence would harm not only Turkey but also Iraq/Iran. But nobody says arming Krudish autonomy is forbidden when it is done by legitimate govt of Syria. Israel is not dangerous as long as Russia promises Syria will not fight bak Golan heights.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  NationalRus on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:19 pm



    Well given that super duper sneaky Western Operators that were about 500 in Libya got continuously tangled in random cellphone videos, the Russian contingent that's providing fire support from all angles (bar space although you never know) wasn't going to play ninja. Plus they're guests. Bona fide guests why would they hide?

    because we told everybody and their mother in russia on all television and news shows "air operation only"

    a few frontline advisers directing action can be brushed off but not this, already 1 adviser died in artillery shelling, well thats unfortunate but if some of this guys in a new BTR-82A get hit in the middle of nowhere close to palymra or somewhere else in the desert far away from the home base people will go: "WTF you told us no ground operation, air campaign only!!"

    the yellow blogosphere is already exploding with bulshit, to good not many read this pricks only traitors that are against russia anyway, but a little more and "echo moscow" will be on it, maybe already are and more will follow especially if russian "regular" soldiers will die far away from the base because again we told everybody and their mother that this is a strictly air campaign only.

    if more comes up and i expect some if we see how openly they operate on the frontline linguistic acrobatic jujitsu from the MOD will be needed
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:40 pm

    NationalRus wrote:

    because we told everybody and their mother in russia on all television and news shows "air operation only"

    a few frontline advisers directing action can be brushed off but not this, already 1 adviser died in artillery shelling, well thats unfortunate but if some of this guys in a new BTR-82A get hit in the middle of nowhere close to palymra or somewhere else in the desert far away from the home base people will go: "WTF you told us no ground operation, air campaign only!!"

    the yellow blogosphere is already exploding with bulshit, to good not many read this pricks only traitors that are against russia anyway, but a little more and "echo moscow" will be on it, maybe already are and more will follow especially if russian "regular" soldiers will die far away from the base because again we told everybody and their mother that this is a strictly air campaign only.

    if more comes up and i expect some if we see how openly they operate on the frontline linguistic acrobatic jujitsu from the MOD will be needed

    Well couple of "advisers" are no ordinary contractors, if more contractors come here in bigger numbers then will be announced. I do not thing Russia needs to cover thousand sof "conscripts" pretending them to be camels.

    BTW who listens to EoM? hamsters? Hamster will never understand thet better than 1 soldier dies in Syria then 50 civilians after suicidal "moderate activist" explosion in Moscow.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  short_fuze on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    short_fuze wrote:A video showing successful active defense against an ATGM. The protection activates at about 6 seconds in.

    After a lengthy discussion in the other place, it was concluded as being a Shtora demonstration video and the target was a Bmp-3 probably in UAE

    You are correct. Mea culpa. I hope I am not turning into an Ultron clone. Embarassed

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    Post  short_fuze on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:52 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:56 pm

    NationalRus wrote:


    Well given that super duper sneaky Western Operators that were about 500 in Libya got continuously tangled in random cellphone videos, the Russian contingent that's providing fire support from all angles (bar space although you never know) wasn't going to play ninja. Plus they're guests. Bona fide guests why would they hide?

    because we told everybody and their mother in russia on all television and news shows "air operation only"

    a few frontline advisers directing action can be brushed off but not this, already 1 adviser died in artillery shelling, well thats unfortunate but if some of this guys in a new BTR-82A get hit in the middle of nowhere close to palymra or somewhere else in the desert far away from the home base people will go: "WTF you told us no ground operation, air campaign only!!"

    the yellow blogosphere is already exploding with bulshit, to good not many read this pricks only traitors that are against russia anyway, but a little more and "echo moscow" will be on it, maybe already are and more will follow especially if russian "regular" soldiers will die far away from the base because again we told everybody and their mother that this is a strictly air campaign only.

    if more comes up and i expect some if we see how openly they operate on the frontline linguistic acrobatic jujitsu from the MOD will be needed

    Well it's an air operation mainly. Also so far all the BTR82A's and the T90's seem to be manned by Syrians or Iranian people. Now I know that there were "Gorkists" in the middle and that those MSTA B's aren't in Syrian inventory, but I still don't get the fuss. There was "no Russian soldier or tank" in Ukraine either.

    Also my view is that unlike many, the people that are on the frontlines are prepared to hit and get hit. Russia isn't sending conscripts there. So exactly what's going on?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:15 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:


    ....................

    Well it's an air operation mainly. Also so far all the BTR82A's and the T90's seem to be manned by Syrians or Iranian people. Now I know that there were "Gorkists" in the middle and that those MSTA B's aren't in Syrian inventory, but I still don't get the fuss. There was "no Russian soldier or tank" in Ukraine either.

    Also my view is that unlike many, the people that are on the front lines are prepared to hit and get hit. Russia isn't sending conscripts there. So exactly what's going on?

    Guys, lets not get ahead of ourselves, BTR82A is something that has been delivered to SAA even before air ops started (we all saw pictures). One specialist arty unit does not mean anything. I am sure this is same group that has been on a road show for the past several months and naturally, they want to ride in fancy new trucks.

    Most likely they are training SAA artillerymen on the job. Raqqua province is big ticket item and it makes sense that they make sure SAA personnel on site knows what they are doing.    

    Also, CNN reporters are stupid but not that stupid, they would have noticed unusually large amount of Russians next to them in the desert. This is maybe couple of dozen at most, rest are SAA in fresh kit and rides.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:22 pm

    Al-Sisi said that Egypt will not intervene in Syria


    Non-interference in the Affairs of other States out of respect for the will of the peoples populating them is the principled position of Egypt, said President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi.
    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/syria/20160217/1376425142.html



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:48 pm

    short_fuze wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Same thing as with Su-30 pilots. After couple of weeks of flying around in circles waiting for turks they realised that turks are all talk and no balls and that bomber pilots are hogging all the fun so they said: ''please boss, let us drop a couple here and there, I mean we are already in the air for Pete Mitchell's sakes!!!'' lol1

    Plus, those old Soviet war loads will not use up themselves. Every little bit helps. thumbsup

    My thoughts too! It's all good practise!  Laughing

    Do they get extra stars for simultaneously taking out an aircraft and blowing up takfiris on the ground? Twisted Evil

    I used think so but no, just bombers.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:13 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:


    ....................

    Well it's an air operation mainly. Also so far all the BTR82A's and the T90's seem to be manned by Syrians or Iranian people. Now I know that there were "Gorkists" in the middle and that those MSTA B's aren't in Syrian inventory, but I still don't get the fuss. There was "no Russian soldier or tank" in Ukraine either.

    Also my view is that unlike many, the people that are on the front lines are prepared to hit and get hit. Russia isn't sending conscripts there. So exactly what's going on?

    Guys, lets not get ahead of ourselves, BTR82A is something that has been delivered to SAA even before air ops started (we all saw pictures). One specialist arty unit does not mean anything. I am sure this is same group that has been on a road show for the past several months and naturally, they want to ride in fancy new trucks.

    Most likely they are training SAA artillerymen on the job. Raqqua province is big ticket item and it makes sense that they make sure SAA personnel on site knows what they are doing.    

    Also, CNN reporters are stupid but not that stupid, they would have noticed unusually large amount of Russians next to them in the desert. This is maybe couple of dozen at most, rest are SAA in fresh kit and rides.

    I personally think the people firing those MSTA's are Russian or their direct contacts in the ground. People they have chosen for the job.
    While BTR's aren't exactly deathstars or absolute evidence that Russians are in the area, the way they're parked, they're used and they don't seem to get hit tells me the people manning them aren't exactly newcomers.

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    Post  short_fuze on Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:09 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:


    ....................

    Well it's an air operation mainly. Also so far all the BTR82A's and the T90's seem to be manned by Syrians or Iranian people. Now I know that there were "Gorkists" in the middle and that those MSTA B's aren't in Syrian inventory, but I still don't get the fuss. There was "no Russian soldier or tank" in Ukraine either.

    Also my view is that unlike many, the people that are on the front lines are prepared to hit and get hit. Russia isn't sending conscripts there. So exactly what's going on?

    Guys, lets not get ahead of ourselves, BTR82A is something that has been delivered to SAA even before air ops started (we all saw pictures). One specialist arty unit does not mean anything. I am sure this is same group that has been on a road show for the past several months and naturally, they want to ride in fancy new trucks.

    Most likely they are training SAA artillerymen on the job. Raqqua province is big ticket item and it makes sense that they make sure SAA personnel on site knows what they are doing.    

    Also, CNN reporters are stupid but not that stupid, they would have noticed unusually large amount of Russians next to them in the desert. This is maybe couple of dozen at most, rest are SAA in fresh kit and rides.

    I personally think the people firing those MSTA's are Russian or their direct contacts in the ground. People they have chosen for the job.
    While BTR's aren't exactly deathstars or absolute evidence that Russians are in the area, the way they're parked, they're used and they don't seem to get hit tells me the people manning them aren't exactly newcomers.

    How long would it take to train some Russian-Syrian members of the SAA to bring them up to this level of performance?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:47 am

    Got 5 minutes spare? Want to read a different take on what's up and what Turkey is expected to be about to do? Here you go

    http://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Middle-East/How-Far-Will-The-US-Go-If-Turkey-Invades-Syria.html
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:18 am

    With all this talk about GCC vermin and Turdkey wanting to invade Syria, what's the possibility that they might be pulling a bait and switch, and in fact trying to invade Iran (which Turkey shares a significant border towards its East)?

    Some reasons they might want to invade Iran: to weaken and eventually destroy the Shia resistance in the Middle East, to conquer the 2nd largest gas reserves in the world, to shore up GCC deficits by guaranteeing a shock towards world markets and causing high-priced oil, to snuff out of the 2nd largest population of Kurds in the Middle East with a large scale military operation (giving plausible deniability), to encircle Armenia, to get a direct land route for ISIS to spread (like cancer) in to energy rich Central Asia (there's significant ISIS Turkomen enclaves in Northern Afghanistan), to spread to Western China (Uighurs), etc., etc.

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