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    Post  ult on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:00 am

    4 Su-35S in Syria.

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    Post  Solncepek on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:12 am

    It looks like it has happened again….

    Turkey has summoned the Russian envoy after a Russian Air Force Su-34 Fullback bomber allegedly violated the Turkish airspace during a mission from Hmeymim airbase, near Latakia, in northwestern Syria.

    The incident, took place on Friday Jan. 29, and according to Ankara, several warnings in Russian and in English were radioed to aircraft: in other words, something similar to what happened little more than 2 month ago, on Nov. 24, 2015, when a Su-24 Fencer was shot down by a Turkish Air Force F-16 near the border with Syria.

    However, unlike the last violation, that eventually led to the downing of the Fencer (and the death of one of the two crew members) this time, the Russian Su-34 was not shot down (even though we don’t really know if the Turkish Air Force attempted to…)

    In a statement, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said: “We are making a clear call to the Russian Federation not to violate Turkish airspace, which is also NATO airspace.”

    Perhaps, the Turkish authorities don’t want to further escalate the crisis with Russia caused by the Su-24 incident: following the Fencer shootdown, Russia equipped its planes flying in Syria with air-to-air missiles for self-defense, escorted the bombers with Su-30 Flankers, sent a S-400 missile system to Hmeymin airbase and moved the S-300F-equipped Moskva guided-missile destroyer off Latakia, enforcing a MEZ (Missile Engagement Zone) over Syria.

    Anyway, what’s worth noticing is that the Russian planes continue to breach into the Turkish airspace every now and then, in spite of the warnings, onboard navigation systems and the risk of being engaged by the TuAF: it all started on Oct. 3 and 4, when a Russian Air Force Su-30SM and Su-24 aircraft reportedly violated the Turkish sovereign airspace in the Hatay region causing the NATO to protest. TuAF F-16s in QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) were scrambled to identify the intruders and according to Turkish sources a Russian Su-30SM maintained a radar lock on one or both the F-16s for a full 5 minutes and 40 seconds!

    Following the incident Ankara said it would shot down any aircraft violating their sovereign airspace as done in the past with the Syrian Mig-23 and Mi-17 maintaining the promise on Nov. 24, 2015, when the doomed Su-24 entered its sovereign airspace for 17 seconds.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:32 am

    Solncepek wrote:It looks like blah, blah, blah.

    Mods,

    I think an IP ban of this troll should happen as soon as possible.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:04 pm

    ult wrote:4 Su-35S in Syria.

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    Is this confirmed as Syria definately ?

    Great if true. Maybe it's a response to any "funny" moves by Turkey....apparently they've reinforced their Dyarbakir airbase with additional F-16's
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:26 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    ult wrote:4 Su-35S in Syria.

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    Is this confirmed as Syria definately ?

    Great if true. Maybe it's a response to any "funny" moves by Turkey....apparently they've reinforced their Dyarbakir airbase with additional F-16's
    Am I right that they are flying without AAMs? Is this normal or are they saving fuel on a transit flight? Are the pictures from a tanker?
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    Post  medo on Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:44 pm

    How do we know those Su-35 fighters fly to Syria and are not only flying somewhere in Russia. They were in southern Russia together with new MiG-29SMT. They could as well fly back to the far east or flying over Caucasus.
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    Post  Neutrality on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:01 pm

    I have doubts this is over Syria. It would be all over the news if it were true.

    EDIT: Well since Berkut on the "SU-35S news" thread said the same thing then this is most likely true Laughing I keep forgetting that online forums, twitter, etc are faster than official channels nowadays.
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:15 pm

    More information about the transfer of 4 Su-35's to Syria operations;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1710222.html

    EDIT: Turkish Air Force put on their Highest Alert level


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    Post  ult on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:21 pm

    Me and Berkut are reading the same forums and blogs. Very Happy Military forums like this one, but in Russian and with insiders from military.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:30 pm

    Damn the Flankers are so beautiful...

    Also Turkey can suck a donkey kong's dick.
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    ult wrote:4 Su-35S in Syria.

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    Is this confirmed as Syria definately ?

    Great if true. Maybe it's a response to any "funny" moves by Turkey....apparently they've reinforced their Dyarbakir airbase with additional F-16's
    Am I right that they are flying without AAMs? Is this normal or are they saving fuel on a transit flight? Are the pictures from a tanker?

    The pictures were apparently from a Tu-154 flying with them. Would imagine with support crews. They would have flown over Iran and Iraq to get there so expect weapons are forbidden.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    ult wrote:4 Su-35S in Syria.

    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7 - Page 21 Ywk1cod

    Is this confirmed as Syria definately ?

    Great if true. Maybe it's a response to any "funny" moves by Turkey....apparently they've reinforced their Dyarbakir airbase with additional F-16's
    Am I right that they are flying without AAMs? Is this normal or are they saving fuel on a transit flight? Are the pictures from a tanker?

    Transit flights are almost always without armament, i mean anways they fly above "friendly" areas.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:48 pm

    Also flying over Iran is straight out debauchery advertising. It has "I know you want this..." written all over the damn planes.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:49 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also flying over Iran is straight out debauchery advertising. It has "I know you want this..." written all over the damn planes.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:28 pm

    Solncepek wrote:and moved the S-300F-equipped Moskva guided-missile destroyer off Latakia, enforcing a MEZ (Missile Engagement Zone) over Syria.

    Not to be pedantic but right now Varyag is over there (saw it on ABC report).
    Which is also interesting to know whether it represents a more capable platform vis a vis Moskva? anyone?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:29 pm

    franco wrote:More information about the transfer of 4 Su-35's to Syria operations;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1710222.html

    EDIT: Turkish Air Force put on their Highest Alert level

    This means that all turk pilots will be wearing double diapers as part of standard kit from now on. Twisted Evil
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:35 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:and moved the S-300F-equipped Moskva guided-missile destroyer off Latakia, enforcing a MEZ (Missile Engagement Zone) over Syria.

    Not to be pedantic but right now Varyag is over there (saw it on ABC report).
    Which is also interesting to know whether it represents a more capable platform vis a vis Moskva? anyone?

    No, but the third ship of the class is in refit/upgrade at the present. The Moskva is scheduled next. Not sure of what the refit entails.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:36 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    franco wrote:More information about the transfer of 4 Su-35's to Syria operations;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1710222.html

    EDIT: Turkish Air Force put on their Highest Alert level

    This means that all turk pilots will be wearing double diapers as part of standard kit from now on. Twisted Evil

    Zero-g diapers, love it Laughing
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    Post  mack8 on Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:30 pm

    I was thinking, since it was puzzling what are the latest model Su-35S and the new MiG-29SMT(R) doing in  a weapons training unit at Astrakhan, what are the chances those new SMTs will be sent to Syria too? I hazard to guess the Sukois and the MiGs went there to practice live fire of AAMs and AG munitions prior to deployment. Makes sense no?


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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:55 pm

    I would be tickled pink if MiG-29SMT's are sent to Syria as well.  Or even M2's.
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:15 pm

    mack8 wrote:I wsa thinking, since it was puzzling what are the latest model Su-35S and the new MiG-29SMT(R) doing in  a weapons training unit at Astrakhan, what are the chances those new SMTs will be sent to Syria too? I hazard to guess the Sukois and the MiGs went there to practice live fire of AAMs and AG munitions prior to deployment. Makes sense no?

    I suspect the SMT's are training ground and air crews as it appears they will be joining the upgraded Mig-29S's in Armenia making Erubani a full Regiment even if mixed. One squadron each of Mig-29S and Mig-29SMT plus a mixed squadron (8 each) of Mi-24P and Mi-8. If the 988th becomes a SA.300V4 brigade then Armenia is totally covered.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:32 pm

    Thanks for the answers.

    Do we know if the Su-35s are replacing the Su-30s already there or are in addition?
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    Post  Dima on Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I would be tickled pink if MiG-29SMT's are sent to Syria as well.  Or even M2's.
    Hope the MiG-29s arrive in Syria soon.



    Russia is doing good with their numbers of 4s w.r.t to air-defence/superiority fighters. It looks an insignificant number and not very intimidating, but I guess with this small number they are probably setting up full infrastructure for these fighters and if need be they can scale up the numbers in a very short time. Any thoughts?
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:09 pm

    Dima wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I would be tickled pink if MiG-29SMT's are sent to Syria as well.  Or even M2's.
    Hope the MiG-29s arrive in Syria soon.



    Russia is doing good with their numbers of 4s w.r.t to air-defence/superiority fighters. It looks an insignificant number and not very intimidating, but I guess with this small number they are probably setting up full infrastructure for these fighters and if need be they can scale up the numbers in a very short time. Any thoughts?

    Apparently the Russians have upgraded 9 Syrian Mig-29's to SMP standard. More info to come shortly.
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    Post  NationalRus on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:14 pm

    its more symbolic then anything else, also they can conduct ground attacks, turkey is not scared of 4 more fighter jets... turkey has a fucking strong airforce even if they were pak-fa's if they were already in production it wouldn't scare them. a committed attack even with s-400 support wouldent stop turkey even one bit, and i mean committed and pre-planned at HQ not a "provocation".
    so come down your saberratling and look at it realistic, their is no full fledged air war starting not even close

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