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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I dont believe there is any real sort of formalities to it but that Iraq has to give permission to be able to both enter and strike in their territory.

    that part of the airspace is not under Iraqi control. even Iraqi jets are not allowed there. The one time an IRaqi SU-25 flew over qayarah refinery and bombed columns of trucks loading oil there the US publicly condemned the Iraqis... (this was in october 2015)
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:19 pm

    What?  That means effectively Iraq has lost actual territory in their own country.  I would have raised a massive stink about this.  That meams Iraqs territorial integrity is being broken.

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    Post  Guest on Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:30 pm

    http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/12/16/12-usaf-f-15-fighters-returning-raf-lakenheath-turkey/77419528/

    US withrawing aircraft from Turkey, no concrete explanation given.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:36 pm

    sepheronx wrote:What?  That means effectively Iraq has lost actual territory in their own country.  I would have raised a massive stink about this.  That meams Iraqs territorial integrity is being broken.

    officially its to manage airspace efficiently among the countries taking part in bombing... unofficially it means that isis have an easier life in areas where the airspace is under US ROEs.
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    Post  Dima on Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:46 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/12/16/12-usaf-f-15-fighters-returning-raf-lakenheath-turkey/77419528/

    US withrawing aircraft from Turkey, no concrete explanation given.
    Christmas is around the corner and the servicemen need to spend time with family. Hope better sense prevail and they never return.
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    Post  Dima on Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:48 pm

    Ult, excellent pics there. thumbsup

    Btw, can anyone link the video only from that CNN? Cant watch it.

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    Post  Guest on Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:54 pm

    Dima wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote: http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/12/16/12-usaf-f-15-fighters-returning-raf-lakenheath-turkey/77419528/

    US withrawing aircraft from Turkey, no concrete explanation given.
    Christmas is around the corner and the servicemen need to spend time with family. Hope better sense prevail and they never return.
    Fair point, but they still didn't say anything about returning later or replacing the aircraft.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:32 pm

    Dima wrote:Ult, excellent pics there.  thumbsup

    Btw, can anyone link the video only from that CNN? Cant watch it.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:12 pm

    Claims that US manned aircraft have been 'painted' by BUK-M2 (SA-17) forcing them to abandon manned flights over Northern Syria...the article implies they're Russian although more likely they referring to the Syrian ones....although I would guess, the Russian and Syrian Airdefenses are probably integrated to some degree

    New Russian Air Defenses in Syria Keep U.S. Grounded
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-17/new-russian-air-defenses-in-syria-keep-u-s-grounded
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:20 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Claims that US manned aircraft have been 'painted' by BUK-M2 (SA-17) forcing them to abandon manned flights over Northern Syria...the article implies they're Russian although more likely they referring to the Syrian ones....although I would guess, the Russian and Syrian Airdefenses are probably integrated to some degree

    New Russian Air Defenses in Syria Keep U.S. Grounded
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-17/new-russian-air-defenses-in-syria-keep-u-s-grounded

    If they were Syrian then they would not be too bothered, but problem is that there is always risk of "option No. 2" so they play it safe... Twisted Evil





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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:29 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Claims that US manned aircraft have been 'painted' by BUK-M2 (SA-17) forcing them to abandon manned flights over Northern Syria...the article implies they're Russian although more likely they referring to the Syrian ones....although I would guess, the Russian and Syrian Airdefenses are probably integrated to some degree

    New Russian Air Defenses in Syria Keep U.S. Grounded
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-17/new-russian-air-defenses-in-syria-keep-u-s-grounded

    Does SAA even have BUK-M2's? I thought they had BUK-M1's.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:58 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Does SAA even have BUK-M2's? I thought they had BUK-M1's.

    They do...not sure about quantity though....2 battalions?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:32 am


    More from CNN:



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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:39 am


    ''On board the warship Moskva: The naval power behind Russia's air war in Syria''

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/17/middleeast/syria-russian-warship-moskva/



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    ''Russia travel agency offers vacations to Syria conflict''

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:01 am

    Another fantastic article by Pepe Escobar:



    Nobody needs to read Zbigniew “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski’s 1997 opus to know US foreign policy revolves around one single overarching theme: prevent – by all means necessary – the emergence of a power, or powers, capable of constraining Washington’s unilateral swagger, not only in Eurasia but across the world.

    he Pentagon carries the same message embedded in newspeak: the Full Spectrum Dominance doctrine.
    Syria is leading all these assumptions to collapse like a house of cards. So no wonder in a Beltway under no visible chain of command – the Obama administration barely qualifies as lame duck – angst is the norm.

    The Pentagon is now engaged in a Vietnam-style escalation of boots on the ground across “Syraq”. 50 commandos are already in northern Syria “advising” the YPG Syrian Kurds as well as a few “moderate” Sunnis. Translation: telling them what Washington wants them to do. The official White House spin is that these commandos “support local forces” (Obama’s words) in cutting off supply lines leading to the fake “Caliphate” capital, Raqqa.

    Another 200 Special Forces sent to Iraq will soon follow, allegedly to “engage in direct combat” against the leadership of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, which is now ensconced in Mosul.

    These developments, billed as “efforts” to “partially re-engage in Iraq and Syria” are leading US Think Tankland to pen hilarious reports in search of “the perfect balance between wide-scale invasion and complete disengagement” – when everyone knows Washington will never disengage from the Middle East’s strategic oil wealth.

    All these American boots on the ground in theory should be coordinating, soon, with a new, spectacularly surrealist 34-country “Islamic” coalition (Iran was not invited), set up to fight ISIS/ISIL/Daesh by no less than the ideological matrix of all strands of Salafi-jihadism: Wahhabi Saudi Arabia.    

    Syria is now Coalition Central. There are at least four; the “4+1” (Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq plus Hezbollah), which is actually fighting Daesh; the US-led coalition, a sort of mini NATO-GCC combo, but with the GCC doing nothing; the Russia-France direct military collaboration; and the new Saudi-led “Islamic” charade. They are pitted against an astonishing number of Salafi-jhadi coalitions and alliances of convenience that last from a few months to a few hours.

    And then there’s Turkey, which under Sultan Erdogan plays a vicious double game.  

    Sarajevo All Over Again?

    “Tense” does not even begin to describe the current Russia-Turkey geopolitical tension, which shows no sign of abating. The Empire of Chaos lavishly profits from it as a privileged spectator; as long as the tension lasts, prospects of Eurasia integration are hampered.

    Russian intel has certainly played all possible scenarios involving a  NATO Turkish army on the Turkish-Syrian border as well as the possibility of Ankara closing the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles for the Russian “Syria Express”. Erdogan may not be foolish enough to offer Russia yet another casus belli. But Moscow is taking no chances.

    Russia has placed ships and submarines capable of launching nuclear missiles in case Turkey under the cover of NATO decides to strike out against the Russian position. President Putin has been clear; Russia will use nuclear weapons if necessary if conventional forces are threatened.

    If Ankara opts for a suicide mission of knocking out yet another Su-24, or Su-34, Russia will simply clear the airspace all across the border via the S-400s. If Ankara under the cover of NATO responds by launching the Turkish Army on Russian positions, Russia will use nuclear missiles, drawing NATO into war not only in Syria but potentially also in Europe. And this would include using nuclear missiles to keep Russian strategic use of the Bosphorus open.

    That’s how we can draw a parallel of Syria today as the equivalent of Sarajevo 1914.

    Since mid-2014 the Pentagon has run all manner of war games – as  many as 16 times, under different scenarios – pitting NATO against Russia. All scenarios were favorable to NATO. All simulations yielded the same victor: Russia.

    And that’s why Erdogan’s erratic behavior actually terrifies quite a few real players from Washington to Brussels.

    Let Me Take You on a Missile Cruise

    The Pentagon is very much aware of the tremendous heavy metal Russia may unleash if provoked to the limit by someone like Erdogan. Let's roll out an abridged list.

    Russia can use the mighty SS-18 – which NATO codenames “Satan”; each “Satan” carries 10 warheads, with a yield of 750 to 1000 kilotons each, enough to destroy an area the size of New York state.

    The Topol M ICBM is the world's fastest missile at 21 Mach (16,000 miles an hour); against it, there’s no defense. Launched from Moscow, it hits New York City in 18 minutes, and L.A. in 22.8 minutes.

    Russian submarines – as well as Chinese submarines – are able to launch offshore the US, striking coastal targets within a minute. Chinese submarines have surfaced next to US aircraft carriers undetected, and Russian submarines can do the same.

    The S-500 anti-missile system is capable of sealing Russia off from ICBMs and cruise missiles. (Moscow will only admit on the record that the S-500s will be rolled out in 2016; but the fact the S-400s will soon be delivered to China implies the S-500s may be already   operational.)
    The S-500 makes the Patriot missile look like a V-2 from WWII.

    Here, a former adviser to the US Chief of Naval Operations essentially goes on the record saying the whole US missile defense apparatus is worthless.

    Russia has a supersonic bomber fleet of Tupolev Tu-160s; they can take off from airbases deep in the heart of Russia, fly over the North Pole, launch nuclear-tipped cruise missiles from safe distances over the Atlantic, and return home to watch the whole thing on TV.

    Russia can cripple virtually every forward NATO base with tactical – or battlefield – small-yield nuclear weapons. It’s not by accident that Russia over the past few months tested NATO response times in multiple occasions.

    The Iskander missile travels at seven times the speed of sound with a range of 400 km. It’s deadly to airfields, logistics points and other stationary infrastructure along a broad war theatre, for instance in southern Turkey.

    NATO would need to knock out all these Iskanders. But then they would need to face the S-400s – or, worse, S-500s — which Russia can layer in defense zones in nearly every conceivable theater of war. Positioning the S-400s in Kaliningrad, for instance, would cripple all NATO air operations deep inside Europe.

    And presiding over military decisions, Russia privileges the use of Reflexive Control (RC). This is a tactic that aims to convey selected information to the enemy that forces him into making self-defeating decisions; a sort of virus influencing and controlling his decision-making process. Russia uses RC tactically, strategically and geopolitically. A young Vladimir Putin learned all there is to know about RC at the 401st KGB School and further on in his career as a KGB/FSB officer.

    All right, Erdogan and NATO; do you still wanna go to war?


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20151215/1031786484/russia-ready-war.html#ixzz3udpq1Mfy


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    Post  Dima on Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:53 pm

    Good videos Ult.

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    Dima wrote:Ult, excellent pics there.  thumbsup

    Btw, can anyone link the video only from that CNN? Cant watch it.

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    Thanks a lot.  thumbsup
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:31 pm

    Daily Mail covering the Su-24 black box opening. Results due Monday.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3365955/Will-black-box-prove-Russian-fighter-jet-did-NOT-enter-Turkish-air-space-shot-British-Chinese-experts-observe-unveiling-flight-data.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:47 pm

    From Sputnik but assume its OK as it is directly quoting Bloomberg quoting a DoD officer. I doubt the US/NATO has actually stopped given the French/British claimed activity but it seems to be down to 3/4 careful missions a day. This is an excerpt

    But according to US officials speaking to Bloomberg, the S-400 is also having the unintended effect of grounding America’s manned warplanes, and the Pentagon is struggling to adjust its strategy in the region.

    The issue is causing enough panic in Pentagon circles that officials are looking for ways to paint Russia’s defensive installations as a sign of "Russian aggression."

    "The increasing number of Russian-supplied advanced air defense systems in Syria…is another example that Russia and the regime seek to complicate the global counter-Daesh coalition’s air campaign," Major Tim Smith told Bloomberg. "Unlawful actions by Russia and the Syrian regime will not stop coalition counter-Daesh operations in Syria, nor will such actions push the coalition away from specific regions in Syria where Daesh is operating," he added.

    But Moscow has made no secret about its efforts to join forces with the West in the fight against Daesh, also known as ISIL/Islamic State.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151218/1031992276/russian-defenses-ground-pentagon.html#ixzz3uiObA0mM
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:55 am

    Apparently the Crimean Tartar (Mustafa Dzhemilev) who organized the energy blockade in Crimea just met with Erdogan:

    http://ria.ru/society/20151218/1344680921.html

    http://ria.ru/world/20151218/1344500306.html

    ...Yeah just mere coincidence. Rolling Eyes

    There's also this:

    That creeping Islamization, from which Ataturk would have probably turned over in his grave, you know, to have reflected. We see, we fix that in Turkey there are militants - came, say, from the North Caucasus. We have said many times to our partners, "But we do not do in relation to Turkey." No, they're still sitting there, they treated their guard. Then they use the visa-free entry, enter on the Turkish passport and dissolve, and we have to catch them then either in the Caucasus or in our cities. Therefore, it is exactly we will have to do, as well as take some other steps to ensure our national security

    http://tass.ru/politika/2535898

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    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:37 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Apparently the Crimean Tartar (Mustafa Dzhemilev) who organized the energy blockade in Crimea just met with Erdogan:

    http://ria.ru/society/20151218/1344680921.html

    http://ria.ru/world/20151218/1344500306.html

    ...Yeah just mere coincidence. Rolling Eyes

    There's also this:

    That creeping Islamization, from which Ataturk would have probably turned over in his grave, you know, to have reflected. We see, we fix that in Turkey there are militants - came, say, from the North Caucasus. We have said many times to our partners, "But we do not do in relation to Turkey." No, they're still sitting there, they treated their guard. Then they use the visa-free entry, enter on the Turkish passport and dissolve, and we have to catch them then either in the Caucasus or in our cities. Therefore, it is exactly we will have to do, as well as take some other steps to ensure our national security

    http://tass.ru/politika/2535898

    Turdogan is begging for a Kurdish Debaltsevo, and he may get a Cypriot one to boot!

    This is not surprising. Back in early 2014 when the "polite people" took over main Crimean airport one of the achievements was
    turning back at least one planeload of jihadis from Turkey dispatched to help their Tatar "brothers". The fallout with Turkey
    has deep roots. Erdo-turd was actively sponsoring jihadis in the North Caucuses. The main reason Russia is bombing Daesh
    is to stop endless strife within its own borders. Erdo-turd's Salafi toilet is working full time to instigate such strife.

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    Post  par far on Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:23 pm

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Apparently the Crimean Tartar (Mustafa Dzhemilev) who organized the energy blockade in Crimea just met with Erdogan:

    http://ria.ru/society/20151218/1344680921.html

    http://ria.ru/world/20151218/1344500306.html

    ...Yeah just mere coincidence. Rolling Eyes

    There's also this:

    That creeping Islamization, from which Ataturk would have probably turned over in his grave, you know, to have reflected. We see, we fix that in Turkey there are militants - came, say, from the North Caucasus. We have said many times to our partners, "But we do not do in relation to Turkey." No, they're still sitting there, they treated their guard. Then they use the visa-free entry, enter on the Turkish passport and dissolve, and we have to catch them then either in the Caucasus or in our cities. Therefore, it is exactly we will have to do, as well as take some other steps to ensure our national security

    http://tass.ru/politika/2535898

    Turdogan is begging for a Kurdish Debaltsevo, and he may get a Cypriot one to boot!

    This is not surprising.  Back in early 2014 when the "polite people" took over main Crimean airport one of the achievements was
    turning back at least one planeload of jihadis from Turkey dispatched to help their Tatar "brothers".   The fallout with Turkey
    has deep roots.   Erdo-turd was actively sponsoring jihadis in the North Caucuses.   The main reason Russia is bombing Daesh
    is to stop endless strife within its own borders.   Erdo-turd's Salafi toilet is working full time to instigate such strife.


    This is why Russia should support the Kurd's and the PKK, supply them with weapons, intelligence, logistics and you can throw Turkey into a civil war.

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    Post  short_fuze on Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:11 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Apparently the Crimean Tartar (Mustafa Dzhemilev) who organized the energy blockade in Crimea just met with Erdogan:

    http://ria.ru/society/20151218/1344680921.html

    http://ria.ru/world/20151218/1344500306.html

    ...Yeah just mere coincidence. Rolling Eyes

    There's also this:

    That creeping Islamization, from which Ataturk would have probably turned over in his grave, you know, to have reflected. We see, we fix that in Turkey there are militants - came, say, from the North Caucasus. We have said many times to our partners, "But we do not do in relation to Turkey." No, they're still sitting there, they treated their guard. Then they use the visa-free entry, enter on the Turkish passport and dissolve, and we have to catch them then either in the Caucasus or in our cities. Therefore, it is exactly we will have to do, as well as take some other steps to ensure our national security

    http://tass.ru/politika/2535898

    Turdogan is begging for a Kurdish Debaltsevo, and he may get a Cypriot one to boot!

    This image shows all you need to know about Mustfa Dzhemilev

    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sttelli/67190258/301268/301268_900.jpg

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    Post  auslander on Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:36 pm

    short_fuze wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Apparently the Crimean Tartar (Mustafa Dzhemilev) who organized the energy blockade in Crimea just met with Erdogan:

    http://ria.ru/society/20151218/1344680921.html

    http://ria.ru/world/20151218/1344500306.html

    ...Yeah just mere coincidence. Rolling Eyes

    There's also this:

    That creeping Islamization, from which Ataturk would have probably turned over in his grave, you know, to have reflected. We see, we fix that in Turkey there are militants - came, say, from the North Caucasus. We have said many times to our partners, "But we do not do in relation to Turkey." No, they're still sitting there, they treated their guard. Then they use the visa-free entry, enter on the Turkish passport and dissolve, and we have to catch them then either in the Caucasus or in our cities. Therefore, it is exactly we will have to do, as well as take some other steps to ensure our national security

    http://tass.ru/politika/2535898

    Turdogan is begging for a Kurdish Debaltsevo, and he may get a Cypriot one to boot!

    This image shows all you need to know about Mustfa Dzhemilev

    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sttelli/67190258/301268/301268_900.jpg

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:00 pm

    Putin: Russia ready to use 'more military means' in Syria if need be

    The Russian armed forces have not employed all their capability in Syria and may use "more military means" there if necessary, Russian news agencies quoted President Vladimir Putin as saying on Saturday.

    "We see how efficiently our pilots and intelligence agents coordinate their efforts with various kinds of forces - the army, navy and aviation, how they use the most modern weapons," Putin was quoted as saying in a speech.

    "I want to stress that these are by far not all of our capabilities," he said. "We have more military means. And we will use them - if need be

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-army-idUSKBN0U20IR20151219

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