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    Post  Guest on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:08 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    The article in English: https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/russian-infantry-forces-involved-for-the-first-time-in-ground-attack-in-syria/

    Hmmm, the plot thickens....said to be somewhere in Syria (not at the airbase)  dunno



    Really sketchy, but if so why does this sound to fer fetched to you guys?
    No guys for real, did we really think that the Takshitis were going to resist a real combined arms op like the ones the Russians pinned on Ukropian forces? This doesn't mean it will always go smothly.
    This time around Russia doesn't have to hide what they are doing. During the last combat employment of RF troops, they had to blend in with the "locals" and basically make sure they don't over do it. Now, they don't have to hold back and they can go all in, employing all their new toys and even using air support. They'll be fine in operations like these.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:31 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    The article in English: https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/russian-infantry-forces-involved-for-the-first-time-in-ground-attack-in-syria/

    Hmmm, the plot thickens....said to be somewhere in Syria (not at the airbase)  dunno



    Really sketchy, but if so why does this sound to fer fetched to you guys?
    No guys for real, did we really think that the Takshitis were going to resist a real combined arms op like the ones the Russians pinned on Ukropian forces? This doesn't mean it will always go smothly.
    This time around Russia doesn't have to hide what they are doing. During the last combat employment of RF troops, they had to blend in with the "locals" and basically make sure they don't over do it. Now, they don't have to hold back and they can go all in, employing all their new toys and even using air support. They'll be fine in operations like these.
    Agreed but the problem is political, the Russian leadership has said they are not going to do it.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:37 pm

    A snippet from the latest update, more at link. What was the munition used in the first video, think it may have been from a Tu-22M3?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYHbCuPodAw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re3fW_Maj10

    The spokespman added that Su-34 bombers also destroyed an IS-controlled oil refinery 50 kilometers to the south of Raqqa, which was one of the terrorists' major financial sources. As a result of the Russian airstrikes the terrorists operating in the Syrian towns of Saraqib (Idlib province) and Qalaat al-Madiq (Hama province) have sustained serious losses. “Despite their commanders’ orders, the biggest part of the terrorist groups in these deserted their positions. They dispose of the clothes and ISIL symbols to blend with the locals,” Konashenkov stated.

    After the combat mission all Russian planes have safely returned to the Hmeymim airbase.

    “Over the last five days, Russian planes have destroyed more than 1,000 tanker trucks carrying crude oil to refineries under the control of the IS terrorist group,” the spokesman said.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151123/1030566723/russia-syria-141-sorties.html#ixzz3sJVVJvfV


    Then there is another update with 3 videos linked. The last showing a massive warehouse hit. At this rate the anti Assad forces will have to move out of any building if they don't want to get killed.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151123/1030579306/syria-russian-cruise-missile-impact.html


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Rodinazombie on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:04 pm

    I have serious doubts that after being so adamant publicly there will be 'no boots on the ground' that they would then so blatantly do the opposite. It would be like the russian government was purposefully taking its people for idiots, because the russian people would easily swallow the fact of a limited force in action in syria with no reason to lie.

    Knowing putins obsession with his ratings, i dont believe he will be so recklessly undermining his word and his credibility when he doesnt need to.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Bidoul on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:46 pm

    Given the rate of delivery of T-72B3 and the amount of modern armor Russia has it's quite possible they're gonna deliver T-90 for SAA 4th armored division after training and reformation.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ult on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:47 pm

    New videos from MoD.

    Direct hit of a cruise missile on a terrorists' command centre (Idlib province)


    Elimination of an ammunition depot with a cruise missile (Idlib province)


    Strike against militants' base with two cruise missiles (Idlib province)


    Elimination of terrorists' facility with 2 cruise missiles (Idlib province)


    Destruction of an object at a terrorists' oil production plant (Deir ez-Zor province)


    Strike with a Kalibr-NK cruise missile against a command centre of terrorists (Idlib province)


    Strike with two cruise missiles on a command centre and ammunition depot of terrorists (Idlib province)


    Elimination of terrorists' base by strike of Tu-22M3 (Deir ez-Zor province)


    Airstrike on facilities of oil production, storage and processing (Deir ez-Zor province)


    Press-briefing (23 November, 10:00 am)
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:11 pm


    Cruise Missiles Make Psychological Impact on Terrorists, Expert Says

    According to Aleksander Ermakov, independent military expert, one of the reasons for using expensive cruise missiles against ISIS militants is making a psychological impact on them.

    http://mil.today/2015/Syria33/

    Being interviewed by Mil.Today, the expert said the force demonstration was the main reason for launching of cruise missiles.

    "Sure, it is primarily a demonstrative action, but there’s a practical point as well. I mean testing of new weapons, essential destruction of numerous terrorists’ facilities and having a shocking effect on them", explained Ermakov.

    The interviewee emphasized that the considerable damage to the terrorists was inflicted not only by cruise missiles of “Swans” and “Bears”, but also by saturation bombings of Tu-22M3 supersonic missile-carrying bombers. According to Ermakov, in this way Russian Airspace Force has destroyed even more manpower than by cruise missiles.

    The second cruise missile attack upon terrorists was made soon after official acknowledgement of the A321 air crush on the Sinai as a terrorist act. At that point Russian government needed to show its power and decisiveness, to demonstrate the response Russia may give on any act of aggression against its citizens.

    So, the launch of 34 cruise missiles by Russian long-range aircraft and submarine force appeased people in some way, showed that Russia does not turn the other cheek waiting for a new kick. Obviously, the long-range air force will continue to contribute in the war on terror, commented Ermakov.

    Speaking on the reasonability of attacks by high-tech expensive weapons upon facilities and manpower of terrorists, one should keep in mind the following, said the expert. As for him, when a missile is aimed not at a training dummy APC but a real target in Syrian desert, the benefit from every missile, in terms of the personnel’s skill training, is considerably growing.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:12 pm

    Rosoboronexport presents:

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:26 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Rosoboronexport presents:

    Anything goes. A Christmas fire sale.

    Explosive prices, hot cakes and grog. Be quick that X-101 isn't going to come alone.

    X-101 coming alone is one of it's best features actually... lol1
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:48 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A snippet from the latest update, more at link. What was the munition used in the first video, think it may have been from a Tu-22M3?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYHbCuPodAw

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151123/1030579306/syria-russian-cruise-missile-impact.html

    I am just guessing here but it could be simple cluster of couple FAB250 dropped by something. Matches bombing strafes i saw before.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Fred333 on Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:06 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Rosoboronexport presents:

    Anything goes. A Christmas fire sale.

    Explosive prices, hot cakes and grog. Be quick that X-101 isn't going to come alone.

    After months of depressing TOW videos, these cruise missile vids are a welcome change Very Happy
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cruise Missiles Make Psychological Impact on Terrorists, Expert Says

    According to Aleksander Ermakov, independent military expert, one of the reasons for using expensive cruise missiles against ISIS militants is making a psychological impact on them.

    http://mil.today/2015/Syria33/

    Being interviewed by Mil.Today, the expert said the force demonstration was the main reason for launching of cruise missiles.

    "Sure, it is primarily a demonstrative action, but there’s a practical point as well. I mean testing of new weapons, essential destruction of numerous terrorists’ facilities and having a shocking effect on them", explained Ermakov.

    The interviewee emphasized that the considerable damage to the terrorists was inflicted not only by cruise missiles of “Swans” and “Bears”, but also by saturation bombings of Tu-22M3 supersonic missile-carrying bombers. According to Ermakov, in this way Russian Airspace Force has destroyed even more manpower than by cruise missiles.

    The second cruise missile attack upon terrorists was made soon after official acknowledgement of the A321 air crush on the Sinai as a terrorist act. At that point Russian government needed to show its power and decisiveness, to demonstrate the response Russia may give on any act of aggression against its citizens.

    So, the launch of 34 cruise missiles by Russian long-range aircraft and submarine force appeased people in some way, showed that Russia does not turn the other cheek waiting for a new kick. Obviously, the long-range air force will continue to contribute in the war on terror, commented Ermakov.

    Speaking on the reasonability of attacks by high-tech expensive weapons upon facilities and manpower of terrorists, one should keep in mind the following, said the expert. As for him, when a missile is aimed not at a training dummy APC but a real target in Syrian desert, the benefit from every missile, in terms of the personnel’s skill training, is considerably growing.

    I would say it has a bigger psychological effect on US, Turkey and Israel when they keep seeing their investment vaporizing.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Acheron on Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:33 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752

    Yeah.....I am not buying it. What "130mm artillery" were the Russians supposedly using? They can't possibly mean M-46...
    Personally, I would like some more evidence before I believe this. After all, that tank photo, if we are to assume that it is recent, could have been taken anywhere from Astrakhan to Central Asia and the Middle East/Africa.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:42 pm

    Acheron wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752

    Yeah.....I am not buying it. What "130mm artillery" were the Russians supposedly using? They can't possibly mean M-46...
    Personally, I would like some more evidence before I believe this. After all, that tank photo, if we are to assume that it is recent, could have been taken anywhere from Astrakhan to Central Asia and the Middle East/Africa.

    A222 Bereg Very Happy? Nothing is stopping them from using it as conventional artillery, despite it being coastal artillery in its blood. Just saying, even tho its more than highly unlikely (read: aint happening). Well M46s was seen in service in some units back in 2013. in Russia, its not impossible that some are still used around, i totally see them having significant amount of shells for them. If only for training, some artillery crews here are getting their first baby steps on ZiS still.

    Or maybe Russian crew was using Syrian M46, its known that Syrians lack trained manpower for their artillery and armored units, and we know Syrians had hundreds of those guns. Just giving some options here, i am not claiming anything.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:50 pm

    Fred333 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Rosoboronexport presents:

    Anything goes. A Christmas fire sale.

    Explosive prices, hot cakes and grog. Be quick that X-101 isn't going to come alone.

    After months of depressing TOW videos, these cruise missile vids are a welcome change Very Happy

    Also 23 Nov, only 60 TOWS That's half the amount from last month same time.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:09 pm


    Gatecrashers: Russian Helicopters, Syrian Troops Poised to Retake Palmyra

    Buttressed by Russian air support, the Syrian Army stands poised to rid the ruins of Palmyra of its latest ruiners.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151123/1030593839/syrian-army-palmyra-approach.html

    The Syrian army, aided by Russian attack helicopters, launched a strike against ISIL militants entrenched on al-Hayal mountain only a few kilometers away from Palmyra, according to media reports.

    A group of ISIL militants attempted to flee the battlefield across the mountain ridge but was obliterated by Syrian artillery.

    The remaining Islamic State forces continue to stubbornly resist advancing government forces, utilizing a network of caves on the mountain’s slopes to their advantage.

    Meanwhile the Syrian Army has managed to wrestle control of the Al Qadri Farms, located to the west of Palmyra, from ISIL forces, dealing another serious blow to the militant jihadist movement.

    According to Zvezda TV, the Syrian troops are eagerly awaiting orders to commence a full-scale offensive against ISIL on all fronts.

    The ancient city of Palmyra is a site of major archaeological importance and features in UNESCO's World Heritage list. The Islamic State militants who currently control the city have destroyed multiple priceless historic sites in Palmyra, including its ancient temples of Bel and Baalshamin, since they captured the city in May.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Fred333 on Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:21 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Fred333 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Rosoboronexport presents:

    Anything goes. A Christmas fire sale.

    Explosive prices, hot cakes and grog. Be quick that X-101 isn't going to come alone.

    After months of depressing TOW videos, these cruise missile vids are a welcome change Very Happy

    Also 23 Nov, only 60 TOWS That's half the amount from last month same time.

    Too bad Merkur 4 is banned on mp.net, I always enjoined his tirades about "the truth" against people pointing out the ambivalence of many jihadist TOW claims based on actually watching the videos. He must be having an even harder time now Very Happy

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Guest on Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:13 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    The article in English: https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/russian-infantry-forces-involved-for-the-first-time-in-ground-attack-in-syria/

    Hmmm, the plot thickens....said to be somewhere in Syria (not at the airbase)  dunno



    Really sketchy, but if so why does this sound to fer fetched to you guys?
    No guys for real, did we really think that the Takshitis were going to resist a real combined arms op like the ones the Russians pinned on Ukropian forces? This doesn't mean it will always go smothly.
    This time around Russia doesn't have to hide what they are doing. During the last combat employment of RF troops, they had to blend in with the "locals" and basically make sure they don't over do it. Now, they don't have to hold back and they can go all in, employing all their new toys and even using air support. They'll be fine in operations like these.
    Agreed but the problem is political, the Russian leadership has said they are not going to do it.
    I see the problem as political too and I'm sure the upper levels of the MoD see it as a political problem as well. But they can evade the problem here. Firstly, the Polite People were in the Lakatia Province. They can claim that the operation was carried out for the defense of Russian Military installations nearby. Also, I don't think the Russian public cares so much about the boots on the ground part as no casualties. As long as soldiers are alive and well, the public wouldn't care (I feel the same way). That gives the MoD some serious incentive to make sure that these short and sweet operations are well planned. All that being said, "no boots on the ground" was a bit of a joke ever since the beginning, it was known for a while that there were advisors embedded within the SAA. There is likely other forms of boots on the ground in Syria too. Like Spetsnaz operatives running around enemy territory, just like some Western Special Forces.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Dima on Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:46 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:Knowing putins obsession with his ratings, i dont believe he will be so recklessly undermining his word and his credibility when he doesnt need to.

    Its probably your obsession with western media and its vomit about Putin that you are reproducing here. Nothing more.

    Regarding Russian boots on ground, nothing is set on stone. If the Russian military/commanders feel there is a need for Russian presence they will plan/act accordingly. If there is scope for Russian ground forces to act in support of the SAA and allies or spearhead (in certain areas/cases), it will be taken at a tactical level with full support of the Kremlin.

    I personally would love to see Russian presence/strength in Syria (Latakia/Tartous) upgraded to the level of Crimea. A proper Russian fortress in the Mediterranean.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:49 pm

    Dima wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:Knowing putins obsession with his ratings, i dont believe he will be so recklessly undermining his word and his credibility when he doesnt need to.

    Its probably your obsession with western media and its vomit about Putin that you are reproducing here. Nothing more.

    Regarding Russian boots on ground, nothing is set on stone. If the Russian military/commanders feel there is a need for Russian presence they will plan/act accordingly. If there is scope for Russian ground forces to act in support of the SAA and allies or spearhead (in certain areas/cases), it will be taken at a tactical level with full support of the Kremlin.

    I personally would love to see Russian presence/strength in Syria (Latakia/Tartous) upgraded to the level of Crimea. A proper Russian fortress in the Mediterranean.

    I think they will do that after the shooting part is done.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:50 pm


    Another Day, Another Anti-Terror Barrage: Syrian Army Reports More Gains


    The Iranian Fars news agency has reported the last 24 hours of the Syrian army's anti-terror operations, carrying out massive military operations in Aleppo, Dara'a, Idlib, Homs, Hama and Damascus............................

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151123/1030607144/syrian-army-anti-terror-operations.html#ixzz3sKm6rrQM
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:58 pm


    Maybe Russian. maybe Syrian... confused









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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:51 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    The article in English: https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/russian-infantry-forces-involved-for-the-first-time-in-ground-attack-in-syria/

    Hmmm, the plot thickens....said to be somewhere in Syria (not at the airbase)  dunno



    Really sketchy, but if so why does this sound to fer fetched to you guys?
    No guys for real, did we really think that the Takshitis were going to resist a real combined arms op like the ones the Russians pinned on Ukropian forces? This doesn't mean it will always go smothly.
    This time around Russia doesn't have to hide what they are doing. During the last combat employment of RF troops, they had to blend in with the "locals" and basically make sure they don't over do it. Now, they don't have to hold back and they can go all in, employing all their new toys and even using air support. They'll be fine in operations like these.
    Agreed but the problem is political, the Russian leadership has said they are not going to do it.
    I see the problem as political too and I'm sure the upper levels of the MoD see it as a political problem as well. But they can evade the problem here. Firstly, the Polite People were in the Lakatia Province. They can claim that the operation was carried out for the defense of Russian Military installations nearby. Also, I don't think the Russian public cares so much about the boots on the ground part as no casualties. As long as soldiers are alive and well, the public wouldn't care (I feel the same way). That gives the MoD some serious incentive to make sure that these short and sweet operations are well planned. All that being said, "no boots on the ground" was a bit of a joke ever since the beginning, it was known for a while that there were advisors embedded within the SAA. There is likely other forms of boots on the ground in Syria too. Like Spetsnaz operatives running around enemy territory, just like some Western Special Forces.

    After Metrojet 321 attack, I'd think that the Public would be out for blood.
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