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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:40 pm

    George1 wrote:
    ultron wrote:Woohoo. More than 1,000 infrastructure targets destroyed so far. About 10,000 left. They should concentrate on western Syria particularly Idlib, Latakia, Homs, Hama for now and don't bother with ISIS. Let Americans get bogged down there Cool

    there have been worse rates than this. Remember that in 1999 NATO bombardment of Yugoslavia, NATO claimed for months that had destroyed 50% of Yugoslavian tanks in Kosovo. When Yugoslavian Army withdraw, there were found only 12 tanks destroyed. The rest that NATO claimed had destroyed were decoys... lol1

    8 tanks M84, 1 tank T72M and 5 tanks T55, 14 in total, their final claim was 93 destroyed tanks. And 12 selfpropelled guns/howtizers, i suppose Gvozdika formed the majority of that, not sure if we operated any other in Kosovo (actually operated, there were even Hellcats used as decoys).

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ultron on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:48 pm

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    zg18 wrote:Russian convoy in Latakia




    That looks like a MSTA-B. First one I see in Syria.

    Looks like SAA is finally getting 152 mm artillery. Should have happened years ago. Better late than never.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ult on Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:04 pm







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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  NationalRus on Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:40 pm

    ultron wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Russian convoy in Latakia




    That looks like a MSTA-B. First one I see in Syria.

    Looks like SAA is finally getting 152 mm artillery. Should have happened years ago. Better late than never.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  sweartome123 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:28 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Possibly if they don't see major improvements and the campaign too slow and/or Syrian
    Army taking too much casualties or IRAN trying to influence the political outcome too much
    against their interest of a full secular free Syria they could start sending a small force of 5,000
    soldiers for example. With T-90 and T-73B3 tanks.. and Russian artillery.  

    Sending combat troops, regardless of size, just reeks of bad. However, adding lots of artillery and perhaps some more aircraft sounds feasible.

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    Post  ultron on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:07 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    ultron wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Russian convoy in Latakia




    That looks like a MSTA-B. First one I see in Syria.

    Looks like SAA is finally getting 152 mm artillery. Should have happened years ago. Better late than never.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:11 pm

    It all depends on what progress SAA makes? My opinion si that if it does not manage to secure a decisive victory until 2017 - then it never will.

    In such a situation, sending ground troops should be considered seriously... maybe deploy the 58th Army? Together with an equivalent of the International Brigades... There is no shortage of people willing to fight for Assad in Europe. There are Greeks, there are Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, lots of disgruntled folks in WEstern and Central Europe etc Including folks with military experience.

    Like I said before, in Libya it took 8 months of heavy bombing to finally destroy Gaddafi... and Gaddafi received almost no support from outside and was in an unfavorable situation - troops had to cover over 1000 km of open desert to get from Tripoli to Benghazi. In Syria you have a more numerous enemy that is well prepared to fight under enemy air supremacy (they fight like taht since the beginning), has shorter supply lines and is replenished non-stop... Rebels lose 80-100 killed per day and so far they're doing rather fine.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:28 pm

    ultron wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    ultron wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Russian convoy in Latakia




    That looks like a MSTA-B. First one I see in Syria.

    Looks like SAA is finally getting 152 mm artillery. Should have happened years ago. Better late than never.

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    SAA needs 1980s equipment, which they do not have.

    They operate 2S3Ms which were produced till 1988. And D20 derivates are still being produced and used widely, nothing wrong with them whatsoever, Yugoslavia produced its variant M84 Nora B1 and B2 between 1984. and 1990...

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  par far on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:29 pm

    Vann7 wrote:The the head of Russia’s parliamentary committee on foreign affairs Konstantin Kosachev ,told recently there have been Big discussion in Russia parliament to send ground troops to speed the process of recapturing Syria lost territory to ISIS faster.

    https://www.rt.com/news/319907-us-syria-unpredictable-consequences/

    Possibly if they don't see major improvements and the campaign too slow and/or Syrian
    Army taking too much casualties or IRAN trying to influence the political outcome too much
    against their interest of a full secular free Syria they could start sending a small force of 5,000
    soldiers for example. With T-90 and T-73B3 tanks.. and Russian artillery.  

    The Syrian army seriously lack of decent tanks ,fast mobile artillery and infantry armored units. that could counter the terrorist fast mobility . They mostly use civilian cars for mobility and very old outdated tanks. Im sure that had Russia army deploys in Syria to capture IDLIB
    or Aleppo.. they will liberate it in couple days with all the weapons they have..not yet used in the conflict. and more important than anything Russia to finally seal the border with Turkey
    and cut the terrorist supply route.

    The Russian Army will not need to fight door by door and its role could be just to break inside
    the cities and destroy any mobility and heavy weapons of the terrorist. and force them to go on the hide inside cities.

    Even though it will be nice if Russia can do it all with their small airforce... unfortunately that will allow the terrorist to retreat. Cities needs to be encircled and cut off so no one escape.
    Im more worried now for IRAQ.. because im sure the Americans if they notice will lose
    Syria will retaliate IRAQ.

    meanwhile..  

    Ukrainian radicals in NATO uniforms destroyed in Syria

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/10/ukrainian-radicals-in-nato-uniforms.html



    I don't think you send in regular military troops, if you want to help Syria(or any other place or country) it is best to send in private military in my opinion. I have spent the last couple of months researching private military companies(I have been fascinated by private military companies and I have done a lot of research on them). The thing is if you sent in regular troops, you get a lot of unwanted attention, which most countries not like and also if regular troops are killed, everyone knows but if private military soldiers are killed, they are kept private(in Iraq, they only report regular US/NATO troop casualties but they don't report private military casualties because they don't have to and  private military casualties for NATO in Iraq are/were very high). There are reports of Russian private military companies in Syria already and they are going to increase their numbers(these reports I have read on line and they may not be true at all). The private military companies can do a better job in Syria(just my opinion) but you guys will have different opinion and they may be very valid points.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:36 pm

    Russian media campaign was (and is) conducted very well... and seriously, western public opinion is getting tired of the "Assad is an evil dictator that kills civilians" narrative and would be much less negative about sending ground troops than just 2 years ago...

    Russian air strikes were met with nearly no opposition from the wider public in Europe.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:19 pm

    ult wrote:




    These look like they could have been taken by Platan EOTS.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  medo on Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:23 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    ult wrote:




    These look like they could have been taken by Platan EOTS.

    Exactly what I was thinking. Most probably Su-34 search for targets and deliver their coordinates to Su-25SM jets. It seems Russian data link network works well. Another unpleased surprise for NATO.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:40 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:It all depends on what progress SAA makes? My opinion si that if it does not manage to secure a decisive victory until 2017 - then it never will.

    In such a situation, sending ground troops should be considered seriously... maybe deploy the 58th Army? Together with an equivalent of the International Brigades... There is no shortage of people willing to fight for Assad in Europe. There are Greeks, there are Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, lots of disgruntled folks in WEstern and Central Europe etc Including folks with military experience.

    ..........................................


    Are you trolling or something? Why the f*ck would Serbs deal with that mess? What logic did you use to get to that conclusion?

    I say send some Germans over there, given the refugee crisis there should be no changes in German population numbers, just a slight alteration in ethnic and religious structure.

    And why the hell would even Russia send ground troops over there, just throw more SAA to the fire, rinse and repeat...
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  max steel on Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:58 pm

    'Lots of our officers joined ISIS due to ideology’ – FSA commander lol1


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:52 pm

    Regarding speculation about a Russian ground force being prepared for Syria...

    These reports also appear to be part of a “war of nerves” between Russia and the Islamists (as well as their sponsors). The “war” began with Qatar making noises about supplying shoulder-launched SAMs and even engaging in a military intervention in Syria. Russia responded with reports of preparing to up its air campaign to 200 sorties a day, using long-range bombers to strike IS targets, and preparations of a small ground force contingent to bolster the Syrian Army. The message is that should IS sponsors wish to up the ante, Russia is willing to see them and raise them.


    Russia prepares to use Tu-22M3 bombers against islamists
    http://southfront.org/russia-prepares-to-use-tu-22m3-bombers-against-islamists/


    These look like they could have been taken by Platan EOTS.

    Sure looks like it
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Godric on Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:31 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russian air strikes were met with nearly no opposition from the wider public in Europe.

    it was greeted by great support by the public in the EU ..... the media isn't happy as it is showing up their American masters for the chancers they really are
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:42 pm

    Maybe they should have stuck with their 80's propaganda and called ISIS freedom fighters, maybe today europeans wouldn't cheer for Russia.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  cheesfactory on Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:46 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Together with an equivalent of the International Brigades... There is no shortage of people willing to fight for Assad in Europe. There are Greeks, there are Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, lots of disgruntled folks in WEstern and Central Europe etc Including folks with military experience.

    The same game as in Iraq where very still hundreds in security and combat missions make good money. With a strong player in the background like russia, even in Syria more mercenarys and idealists will emerge. In Damascus are Russians, Serbs, Belorussians, Chechens and other East Europeans diligently since last year on good moneymaking and it will be searched much more of this kind of people. Vacancies via the known channels currently flooding the scene. Next six months will be very interesting.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:01 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:It all depends on what progress SAA makes? My opinion si that if it does not manage to secure a decisive victory until 2017 - then it never will.

    In such a situation, sending ground troops should be considered seriously... maybe deploy the 58th Army? Together with an equivalent of the International Brigades... There is no shortage of people willing to fight for Assad in Europe. There are Greeks, there are Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, lots of disgruntled folks in WEstern and Central Europe etc Including folks with military experience.

    Like I said before, in Libya it took 8 months of heavy bombing to finally destroy Gaddafi... and Gaddafi received almost no support from outside and was in an unfavorable situation - troops had to cover over 1000 km of open desert to get from Tripoli to Benghazi. In Syria you have a more numerous enemy that is well prepared to fight under enemy air supremacy (they fight like taht since the beginning), has shorter supply lines and is replenished non-stop... Rebels lose 80-100 killed per day and so far they're doing rather fine.

    Eww... Serbs do support Assad in masses, however i dont think any Serb would volonteur to go there and fight like they did for Russians. Naturally you can always find good Serbs for hire... id even fight for good money Very Happy

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:35 pm




    Russia prepares to use Tu-22M3 bombers against islamists

    That will truly takes things to a new level if true.
    It can carry a huge payload of Bombs..
    according to this..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M



    Various freefall bombs – 69 × FAB-250 or [/b] 8 × FAB-1500 [/b] might be typical.

    Up to 3 × Raduga Kh-22 missiles in weapons bay and on wing pylons or

    Up to 6 × Raduga Kh-15 missiles on a MKU-6-1 rotary launcher in its bomb bay, plus 4 × Raduga Kh-15 missiles on two underwing pylons for a total of 10 missiles per aircraft.


    That will dramatically increase Russia capabilities to support Ground operations for hours
    bombing terrorist. And not to mention the plane will send a message to US and Gulf Coalition
    since can carry nuclear weapons. Cool


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  cheesfactory on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:45 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:It all depends on what progress SAA makes? My opinion si that if it does not manage to secure a decisive victory until 2017 - then it never will.

    In such a situation, sending ground troops should be considered seriously... maybe deploy the 58th Army? Together with an equivalent of the International Brigades... There is no shortage of people willing to fight for Assad in Europe. There are Greeks, there are Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians, lots of disgruntled folks in WEstern and Central Europe etc Including folks with military experience.

    Like I said before, in Libya it took 8 months of heavy bombing to finally destroy Gaddafi... and Gaddafi received almost no support from outside and was in an unfavorable situation - troops had to cover over 1000 km of open desert to get from Tripoli to Benghazi. In Syria you have a more numerous enemy that is well prepared to fight under enemy air supremacy (they fight like taht since the beginning), has shorter supply lines and is replenished non-stop... Rebels lose 80-100 killed per day and so far they're doing rather fine.

    Eww... Serbs do support Assad in masses, however i dont think any Serb would volonteur to go there and fight like they did for Russians. Naturally you can always find good Serbs for hire... id even fight for good money Very Happy

    not in masses, but there are a dozen of Serb volunteers (from personal ideological reasons) in suburbs of Damascus. The situation is different with mercenaries. Here is the number higher and there is a coming and going. It's no secret that in Syria already since last year Serbs fight for money. Good tank driver, gunners and other specialists are always needed. Damascus itself is a gold mine in the area of personal protection. You can see here a lot of people which operate/work simultaneously yet in Baghdad. No war without serbs.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  franco on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:54 pm

    This War has been going on over 4 years with 100,000's killed and 1,000,000's displaced. It is not going to end overnight. There will be victories and defeats along the way.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

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