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    sepheronx

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:49 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    ultron wrote:Russian aircraft reportedly having problem with Syria's climate.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/25/russia-vladimir-putin-ash-carter-syria/74586002/

    Blatant propaganda piece, WWII style. What "harsh" fucking conditions? "According to a defense official my ass. The Syrians are using 70s and 80s era MIGs and they don't seem to have those issues.

    And unnamed source? If so, then yes it is BS.  Like the other claimed sources.  Also add, India uses Su-30's with no problem and similar climates.

    Like you said, cheap propaganda.  So far, no Russian jets crashed or shot at unlike US.

    Edit: After reading it, of course it is BS propaganda.

    1) Unnamed source. So they say "Senior defense official" as a method to get away from having to use names as for them to be quickly shot down with their claims.
    2) A feel good for themselves about their so called availability of aircrafts.
    3) saying it is poor maintenance and conditions for aircrafts are harsh in Syria when the jets flying are either 1) the same type Syrians fly (Su-24 and Su-25's) (2) same ones India flies with similar conditions (Su-30) and new aircrafts with less flight hours than the others (Su-34's).
    4) no supporting evidence but a claim and some sort of individual from a Think tank (people who get paid to say shit).

    In other words, this article isn't even worth the bytes used to create the post or posted on this thread.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:31 am

    ultron wrote:Russian aircraft reportedly having problem with Syria's climate.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/25/russia-vladimir-putin-ash-carter-syria/74586002/

    Sortie rates don't indicate that. They're at two sorties per plane per day. I don't really understand how does that indicate that the Russian planes are having issues. To compare the US has usually ten times the strike mission package that the VKS has now. Look at Libya or Iraq.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  cracker on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:07 am

    ultron wrote:Russian aircraft reportedly having problem with Syria's climate.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/25/russia-vladimir-putin-ash-carter-syria/74586002/

    This is an abject ridonkulous piece of brainwashing for morons, i had a good laugh. "look how US(fuckyeah!) did well in the same conditions! russians are poor and fly unreliable flying carpets!"

    yeah yeah, so far Russian contingent has done more than 1000 sorties (with less than 40 combat aircrafts) and destroyed about as many targets, without a single malfunction or loss. People should stop at "usatoday" in the http, and not even bother reading utter garbage of this kind. What saddens me is that this article on this website takes some virtual space in a very material server, that costs money to run and power.



    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:ANother good example is Vietnam - the US conducted the largest air campaign in the history of mankind with hundreds of flights every day - and as long as the North enjoyed support from outside (PRC, USSR), the airstrikes did little except preventing NVA from seizing more territory.

    And there is of course Serbia -100+ combat flights per day for a month and the result? 60 pieces of equipment destroyed, including less than 20 tanks and tripling(!) of the number of Serbian troops in Kosovo after the start of the campaign(!!!)

    make that 400/day or so for 1999 HATO terrorist attack on Serbia. Not only they done close to nothing to the military targets, but they also lost many men and aircrafts to ridiculously outdated AA defenses. What they achieved: civilian deaths and criminal civilian infrastructure destructions, litterally ruining the country for nothing. Same as they have done countless times in countless wars. Including syria now.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:18 am

    Exactly. Well said. I don't know why Ultron is even allowed to post anymore or anyone else that asks the same questions whom post from news sites like Yahoo news. "ZOMG, is THIS TRUE?!!1!!1!0!" or "OH NOES! RUSSIA IS DOOMED!1! cause yahoo/USA Today/CNN/FOX, etc". It is similar to those youtube videos of those reaction videos to something they seen on deep web or something. It is pretty much on the verge of being beyond tolerable.

    Much like the 12 Ka-52's shot down. Seriously, I think I lost braincells from that. Thanks CBC.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:23 am

    [quote="sepheronx"]Exactly.  Well said.  I don't know why Ultron is even allowed to post anymore or anyone else that asks the same questions whom post from news sites like Yahoo news.  "ZOMG, is THIS TRUE?!!1!!1!0!" or "OH NOES! RUSSIA IS DOOMED!1! cause yahoo/USA Today/CNN/FOX, etc".  It is similar to those youtube videos of those reaction videos to something they seen on deep web or something.  It is pretty much on the verge of being beyond tolerable.

    Much like the 12 Ka-52's shot down.  Seriously, I think I lost braincells from that.  Thanks CBC.[/quote]

    I quit using even yahoo Webmail services years ago coz i was getting every day 10 emails with viagra offers. Fkn losers cant even manage spam.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:25 am

    [quote="Militarov"][quote="sepheronx"]Exactly.  Well said.  I don't know why Ultron is even allowed to post anymore or anyone else that asks the same questions whom post from news sites like Yahoo news.  "ZOMG, is THIS TRUE?!!1!!1!0!" or "OH NOES! RUSSIA IS DOOMED!1! cause yahoo/USA Today/CNN/FOX, etc".  It is similar to those youtube videos of those reaction videos to something they seen on deep web or something.  It is pretty much on the verge of being beyond tolerable.

    Much like the 12 Ka-52's shot down.  Seriously, I think I lost braincells from that.  Thanks CBC.[/quote]

    I quit using even yahoo Webmail services years ago coz i was getting every day 10 emails with viagra offers. Fkn losers cant even manage spam.[/quote]

    You weren't looking up anything regarding about problems getting it up, where you? If so, then Yahoo would be more than happy to provide the ads.

    I know google does this.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:48 am

    SturmGuard wrote:Let us all agree on preventing off-topic, ideological and other uninteresting "discussions" on specialized topics such as this one.

    Furthermore, please, please, pretty please, stop communicating with the either 1) dangerously deranged lunatic or 2) incredibly stupid troller.

    A combination of both most likely
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  BKP on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:53 am

    cracker wrote:
    ultron wrote:Russian aircraft reportedly having problem with Syria's climate.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/25/russia-vladimir-putin-ash-carter-syria/74586002/

    People should stop at "usatoday" in the http, and not even bother reading utter garbage of this kind.

    This. Nothing else needs to be said. It's a useless prop rag hardly worth the cost in calories it takes to toss in the bin.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:24 am

    Very Happy

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Stealthflanker on Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:32 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Very Happy


    nice composite video Laughing

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:44 am

    Solncepek wrote:Analysis from a russian observer:



    According to Russian bloggers, the number of units of the Russian citizens who are fighting on the side of Assad, not more than two thousand people, which can not seriously affect the course of the ground operation.


    The Syrian war is anything but a civil war ,is a  world proxy war of NATO mayor powers
    and gulf kingdoms with the help of a hundred of  thousands of mercenaries , big part of them
    Syrians but also a major number of them foreigners. Jihadist from 80 countries are fighting in
    the side of ISIS and Alnusra.

    i have been reading reports from Syrian insiders sites As early as 2012 ,When the ultimate battle field was Homs and Aleppo still in Syria control.  there was 3,000 foreigners mercenaries alone in that city ,including French Special soldiers. When there was CNN journalist in Syria also helping the terrorist. According to Thierry Meyssan who live in Syria since the conflict began..
    and was witness on the Homs battle to liberate it ,when it was the main battlefield in the Syrian conflict.  The terrorist have thousands of anti tank missiles and used them as if they were sniper rifles.. The terrorist had Robots controlled by remote.. Milan missiles.. etc.. Thermal Missiles.
    This was when the west was NOT officially arming rebels supposedly and only supplying them
    with "food" and "non lethal help".

    So there are thousands of Special forces in Syria from France ,UK ,US ,Israel ,Turkey,Saudi Arabia ,Jordan and mercenaries from 80 nations of the world.. There are training centers of terrorist in Texas USA.. according to Veterans Today. And they travel through all the world and arrive in Syria through Turkey NATO base. They receive weapons there ,food and transportation to Syria. and could receive training too. The US airforce is in Syria to supply realtime position of Syrian army to the terrorist and logistic to the terrorist for their advance but also drop weapons and supply to ISIS and all other terrorist fighting. Israel and Turkey Airforce provide a buffer zone not only in their territories but also inside Syria near the border. Whenever the Syrian airforce try to bomb the terrorist inside Syria close to borders to Turkey or Israel the Syrian planes are harassed or shut down by Israel or Turkey. and Syrian army also was being fired cross border by Turkey 50km range Artillery whenever they get close to it. Same with israel.

    In short the Syrian war is a much bigger war than the one in Ukraine , you have the whole of NATO ,its bigger mayor powers,helping there in one way or another. the countries above more directly.. but indirectly Europe .including Germany helps the terrorist with sanctions on Syria economy for defending itself of a criminal aggression on its nation.

    You will only see videos on youtube of terrorist poorly equipped ,with primitive home made weapons defeating the Syrian army at times. But don't be mistaken this is all propaganda PR.
    The terrorist itself ISIS and Alnusra receive their orders from the US and its coalition. Pentagon General in coordination with Israel and Turkey and Saudis are leading the offensive of ISIS in
    Syria and IRAQ. Syrian army have captured Stinger missiles ,expensive French Anti tank Rockers ,Tows and NATO ARtillery and lots of Israeli weapons too. Captured Sniper rifles that only NATO use..and tons of more weapons . and thousands of NATO special forces there have to be more than 10,000 in Syria assisting their trained terrorist in the fight.  The total force
    of the Terrorist factions have to be in the 150,000 fighters. such a big number operation require
    an enormous logistic in supply of weapons ,munitions , food. and this is Russia wants to seal the border of Turkey ,because is the main supply line of ISIS. but Israel and Jordan too..use its border to supply infinite resources of fighters and weapons to the terrorist fighting Assad.

    Is a world War what Syria face..and claiming that Syria army is just fighting "rebels" who wanted democracy and freedom is an insult to the human intelligence.  

    Just recently read reports of Ukrainians fighting on the side of ISIS. I don't know of any
    modern nation with modern army in Europe  that its country alone can face a war ,like the Syrians have to suffer and survive. Where all its borders is full of enemies and they supplying endless. Syria major problem aside of being in middle east.. is that is not a major power with nukes.. So border enemy nations can continue sending Mercenary fighters ,special forces or terrorist endlessly without consequences for their nation. Had Syria had Nukes.. in the hundreds.. you can be sure none of its neighbors will be helping terrorist or sending its own special forces so openly and in full force as they doing. Knowing that if Syria falls , Syria will retaliate nuking completely those countries.

    and again.. i repeat.. that NATO special forces ,neither Israel special forces working in Syria. upload a single video of their killed Syrian soldiers or their captured town and regions.. Only the terrorist they use as meat shields does that. and they take all the credit for any NATO special forces successful attack on Syrian army positions .The west want the world to believe that Assad is only fighting civilians that one day took weapons against a dictator to fight for their freedom.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:53 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Very Happy


    Yeah is fake...

    But remember also that Russia airforce fly out of range of Machine guns (3km- 4km) and anti air
    artillery.  Russia airforce even fly out of range of Terrorist manpads.. Javelin range is ~5km and other manpads about same. So in real videos the terrorist if they know what the doing not even try to shoot down their planes. Only zooming the cameras Russian planes can be seen. When it comes to Helicopters and Su-25 Close Air support is a different story however. they get at range dangerously close to terrorist weapons.. but for sure they understand what they doing..and how to do it..and will never take suicide missions if they are not sure about it.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:02 am

    Fake? ....It's a compilation meant as a joke
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:02 am

    Russian media is reporting that the 'Tactical Missiles Corporation' is increasing production and is working in 3 shifts, apparently related to the VKS operations in Syria

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/26/trismeny/

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:31 am

    That should  be expected.. even though is not something you forget to think about.

    It will be disastrous and embarrassing that Russian airforce in Syria stop operating
    because lack of bombs. From all the companies in Russia that will be on economic troubles
    for sanctions ,Tactical Missiles corp will be the lucky ones that will be totally the opposite
    and score its major profits ever.  

    and this is part of the reason ,why US military needs to bomb ,no matter what ,they need
    always an excuse to bomb something. whatever it is.. The US defense industry and American senators makes profits for every bomb dropped anywhere in the world.  Just recently Russia
    Airforce found villages in Syria near Jordan border ,where never there was any fight ,neither Syrian airforce bombed or had any combat..its army.. still Russia discover the village that was not part of any battlefield was being bombed hundreds of times again and again by American
    planes..
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:11 pm

    New short video of a Mi-24

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=24f_1445848031
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:20 pm

    Vann7 wrote:That should  be expected.. even though is not something you forget to think about.

    It will be disastrous and embarrassing that Russian airforce in Syria stop operating
    because lack of bombs. From all the companies in Russia that will be on economic troubles
    for sanctions ,Tactical Missiles corp will be the lucky ones that will be totally the opposite
    and score its major profits ever.  

    and this is part of the reason ,why US military needs to bomb ,no matter what ,they need
    always an excuse to bomb something. whatever it is.. The US defense industry and American senators makes profits for every bomb dropped anywhere in the world.  Just recently Russia
    Airforce found villages in Syria near Jordan border ,where never there was any fight ,neither Syrian airforce bombed or had any combat..its army.. still Russia discover the village that was not part of any battlefield was being bombed hundreds of times again and again by American
    planes..
    US warmongering is a myth. In reality US is one of the least aggresive powers in history... Britain waged more wars in 19th century than the US did in ~250 years of it's existance.

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    Post  ult on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:33 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:16 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:That should  be expected.. even though is not something you forget to think about.

    It will be disastrous and embarrassing that Russian airforce in Syria stop operating
    because lack of bombs. From all the companies in Russia that will be on economic troubles
    for sanctions ,Tactical Missiles corp will be the lucky ones that will be totally the opposite
    and score its major profits ever.  

    and this is part of the reason ,why US military needs to bomb ,no matter what ,they need
    always an excuse to bomb something. whatever it is.. The US defense industry and American senators makes profits for every bomb dropped anywhere in the world.  Just recently Russia
    Airforce found villages in Syria near Jordan border ,where never there was any fight ,neither Syrian airforce bombed or had any combat..its army.. still Russia discover the village that was not part of any battlefield was being bombed hundreds of times again and again by American
    planes..
    US warmongering is a myth. In reality US is one of the least aggresive powers in history... Britain waged more wars in 19th century than the US did in ~250 years of it's existance.
    Can we assume that that was a sarcastic comment?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:11 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:New short video of a Mi-24

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=24f_1445848031

    Good find Cyberspec!!!

    So that is how it looks like up close... thumbsup

    Cyberspec wrote:Russian media is reporting that the 'Tactical Missiles Corporation' is increasing production and is working in 3 shifts, apparently related to the VKS operations in Syria

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/26/trismeny/

    Whaaat???? War caused production of ordinance to increase??? I would have never believed it!!! lol1 russia
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:12 pm

    russia

    "Brookings Institution: None of NATO’s Members Could Match Russia in the Sky"

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151026/1029121035/nato-planes-cannot-match-russian-planes-syria.html#ixzz3pgAuBMGC
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  max steel on Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:27 pm

    PapaDragon wrote: russia

    "Brookings Institution: None of NATO’s Members Could Match Russia in the Sky"

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151026/1029121035/nato-planes-cannot-match-russian-planes-syria.html#ixzz3pgAuBMGC

    Even US ?
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    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:01 pm



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:03 pm

    [quote="sepheronx"][quote="Militarov"][quote="sepheronx"]Exactly.  Well said.  I don't know why Ultron is even allowed to post anymore or anyone else that asks the same questions whom post from news sites like Yahoo news.  "ZOMG, is THIS TRUE?!!1!!1!0!" or "OH NOES! RUSSIA IS DOOMED!1! cause yahoo/USA Today/CNN/FOX, etc".  It is similar to those youtube videos of those reaction videos to something they seen on deep web or something.  It is pretty much on the verge of being beyond tolerable.

    Much like the 12 Ka-52's shot down.  Seriously, I think I lost braincells from that.  Thanks CBC.[/quote]

    I quit using even yahoo Webmail services years ago coz i was getting every day 10 emails with viagra offers. Fkn losers cant even manage spam.[/quote]

    You weren't looking up anything regarding about problems getting it up, where you?  If so, then Yahoo would be more than happy to provide the ads.

    I know google does this.[/quote]

    hahaah nooo Smile Its Yahoos issue generally speaking, they are letting spam flow so they can on the end of the moth say how they had "xxxxxxxx" data bandwidth so they look better compared to Google.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:05 pm

    BKP wrote:
    cracker wrote:
    ultron wrote:Russian aircraft reportedly having problem with Syria's climate.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/25/russia-vladimir-putin-ash-carter-syria/74586002/

    People should stop at "usatoday" in the http, and not even bother reading utter garbage of this kind.

    This. Nothing else needs to be said. It's a useless prop rag hardly worth the cost in calories it takes to toss in the bin.

    Actually worst part is that they use http.....whats up with https my friends. Security lvl "i have rope with bells on it around my house".

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