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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Erk on Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:11 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:Apologies,as this was more than likely posted a month ago, but i think its worth posting again for the majority of us who only started to follow the syrian war closely after the russian intervention.

    English language interview with assad, september 15th.


    Assad comes across sounding quite intelligent, not like a barbarous despot at all.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Stealthflanker on Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:22 pm

    Erk wrote:



    Assad comes across sounding quite intelligent, not like a barbarous despot at all.


    He's originally a doctor. Ophthalmologist (eye specialist) to be more exact.

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    plus.. his face looks humane respekt
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  BKP on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:01 am

    ^ Regarding the western characterization of Assad as a "brutal tyrant," "butcher," "dictator" etc... I (again) have to point out the blatant hypocrisy in this. The west's GCC allies are all of those things in spades. Hell, the Saudis are about to crucify, quite literally crucify, a 21-year-old male for making some anti-government statements back when he was 17. And yet, Washington is constantly kissing Saudi ass. It's disgusting! But, this is seldom taken to task in the MSM. No, these things never seem to register. even though they are so, so damn obvious.

    Anyhow, I was perusing huffpo, marveling at the propaganda avalanche, when I saw the following article. Not bad. it's a pretty good and believable assessment. Don't know much about the author. Says that he's ex MI-6.

    Russia's Aim in Syria Is to Strategically Defeat ISIS and Al Qaeda
    Alastair Crooke, October 12, 2015
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/russia-syria-isis-al-qaeda_b_8259870.html?utm_hp_ref=world

    I particularly liked:
    So, why this flood tide of snide commentary, disinformation and claims of a covert, "underhand" Russian strategy? What is it that so irks the West?

    Funny, but this is exactly what every other huffpo article I saw today consisted of, one way of the other.



    I found this interesting too. Paul Craig Roberts is one of Washington's fiercest detractors, as you're probably aware. He sees:

    A Decisive Shift in the Balance of Power
    October 12, 2015
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/a-decisive-shift-in-the-balance-of-power/

    I really hope he is right. It feels momentous.



    +1 max steel for the Lebanese TV clip.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:53 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    "Saudi Arabia Gives Up Its Resistance Against Russia - German Media"

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151012/1028397831/saudi-arabia-gives-up-resistance.html#ixzz3oM40hZfT

    I suspect Russia told the Saudi's about their ECM warfare assets, capable of making their war in Yemen a low-tech war. Kind of hard to conduct bombing raids when their F-15's avionics suite's are frying, going haywire in mid-air.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:56 am

    What are the range of Russia's EW systems? And are they able to pinpoint it at an area/devices to prevent their own equipment from going haywire?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:07 am

    sepheronx wrote:What are the range of Russia's EW systems? And are they able to pinpoint it at an area/devices to prevent their own equipment from going haywire?

    Kras-3 passive listening (400km), Kras-4 passive listening, and attacking (300km), but the one I'm talking about is Murmansk-BN with a 5,000 km range:

    Credit Cyberspec for this find:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2461p120-russian-ecm-ew-equipment#84333

    By using the strategic Caspian Sea, and getting Iran's support, Russia can transport it from Northern Iran to Southern Iran and completely blanket the GCC territories with static and fried electronics. There's also the compact EMP generators developed a little less than a decade ago.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  x_54_u43 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:44 am

    I really hope you all don't actually believe that Krasuha, Moskva, Murmansk etc actually fry electronics.

    They do a lot of cool things but that is not one of them, however in their importance, they are absolutely priceless in their strategic role.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Hachimoto on Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:51 am

    Erk wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:Apologies,as this was more than likely posted a month ago, but i think its worth posting again for the majority of us who only started to follow the syrian war closely after the russian intervention.

    English language interview with assad, september 15th.


    Assad comes across sounding quite intelligent, not like a barbarous despot at all.


    Despit we are backing the russian way of thinking and acting in this issue, we can't call Assad an intelligent guy !! beside he and his father are pure criminals (no body can deny that) he was not so smart the way he handled this war from the begining

    I'm sure Russia now want to replace him asap as putin now this guy is fried and if russia do not put someone from their side others will do it sooner or later.

    Also i'm choked from the level of Syrian army soldiers, no wonder how a bunch of heavy armed amateurs took them down !
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Erk on Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:10 am

    Hachimoto wrote:

    Also i'm choked from the level of Syrian army soldiers, no wonder how a bunch of heavy armed amateurs took them down !

    What do you mean "took them down"? The Syrian army is still fighting.

    ISiS have about 70,000 troops according to the Russian military last year.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/766237

    That's not a small force.
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    Post  BKP on Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:12 am

    RT's Murad Gazdiev's video report on today's ground battles in Syria.

    https://www.rt.com/news/318338-syria-troops-hama-offensive-exclusive/

    Check @:43. I have to ask, is there a single fighter in the ME, actual soldier or mere rag-tag militant, who actually sights his rifle? I don't want to sound jingoist, but none of them ever seem like they know how to use their damn weapons. They just seem to spray bullets around willy-nilly, often while running away. Are they untrainable or something?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:16 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:What are the range of Russia's EW systems? And are they able to pinpoint it at an area/devices to prevent their own equipment from going haywire?

    Kras-3 passive listening (400km), Kras-4 passive listening, and attacking (300km), but the one I'm talking about is Murmansk-BN with a 5,000 km range:

    Credit Cyberspec for this find:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2461p120-russian-ecm-ew-equipment#84333

    By using the strategic Caspian Sea, and getting Iran's support, Russia can transport it from Northern Iran to Southern Iran and completely blanket the GCC territories with static and fried electronics. There's also the compact EMP generators developed a little less than a decade ago.

    FFS, what is it with all this jacking off to dreams of a war with the Gulf States (and yes, electronic warfare is an act of war).

    Yes they are brutal medieval theocracies.
    But it's their country and frankly their own peoples' problem.
    Yemen is not our problem either, much as I sympathise with the people there.

    And a war against any Gulf Monarchy will still be aggression, and it will still bring much suffering. It's not something to advocate, especially not in every bloody post. It's something to avoid in all situations but the most dire.

    Of course though if these shitholes commit to bringing international terrorism to Russia again then I'll be all for it.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:28 am

    Saudis tell Russia its actions in Syria will have 'dangerous consequences'

    Saudi dogs are barking again, of course with the direction of their USIS master Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:57 am

    Hachimoto wrote:

    Despit we are backing the russian way of thinking and acting in this issue, we can't call Assad an intelligent guy !! beside he and his father are pure criminals (no body can deny that) he was not so smart the way he handled this war from the begining

    I'm sure Russia now want to replace him asap as putin now this guy is fried and if russia do not put someone from their side others will do it sooner or later.

    Also i'm choked from the level of Syrian army soldiers, no wonder how a bunch of heavy armed amateurs took them down !

    And you know the Assad family are "criminals" based on what?  oh yeah..
    the very same Western Propaganda. .US/UK/ and jewish pro Israeli media who also says
    Putin shut down the mh-17 and that Poroshenko is a reformist. You are an imbecile if you
    believe in all propaganda about Assad promoted in the west..

    First of all..
    1) The protest weren't peaceful never .
    It was an armed rebellion and NOT a peaceful protest. and the western NGO
    NED did something similar to what they did in venezuela ,Ukraine and so many other
    countries.. they hire opposition to protest peacefull but also hire a third faction of criminals
    to shoot at civilians with guns ,snipers to fire at both sides to make it look Police and civilians
    are killing each other.

    2)This have been confirmed by tons of videos.. how western spies thugs.. were
    killing civilians from the start to blame Assad.

    Here former foreign french minister told how the war in Syria.. the so called
    Arab Spring did not began in Syria..but in the west..and that he was invited personally
    by top government officials in UK to coordinate the fake civil war in Syria and to help them
    recruit terrorist from around the world for a Syria invasion.  All this happened 2 years before
    a single shot was fired in Syria .




    The Syrian "civil war" is similar to the "Ukraine civil war". in many ways because. it was organized ,planned ,financed and staged by US and UK to overthrow a legitimate Government from Power..in countries which the government are friendly to Russia and not aligned with US imperialism.

    The conflict in Syria is 100% a proxy war of US ,UK and Israel on Syria..and it was never
    a civil war because the violence all came from abroad..and money and weapons given to
    criminals to create Chaos in the country..

    Here Mossad Snipers caught in Syria on top of buildings firing on civilians peaceful protest..
    So that imbeciles with a Brain Dysfunction later blame Assad for it..




    The conflict in Syria will be similar as if Saudi Arabia hire thousands of Thugs and assassins many of them foreigners to  invade your country to murder your family and many civilians and made it look as if the government is doing the crimes.. The terrorist supplied with military training and  give weapons them and help them overthrow your government. Civilians protest also organized and financed by them as cover.. to hide the fact that is a foreign attack and not an internal problem.

    What Assad is facing is a major aggression from US -UK and Israel ,a major war , a thousand of well armed Jihadist invasion ,with the help of gulf dictators repressive regimes and Only Morons disconnected from reality will see that as being a political issue of the Syrian government or being a "mistake" . The syrian conflict had nothing to do with Assad and will had happened no matter who is presient.. Lets not forget that Yakunovych in Ukraine did not killed anyone and still was overthrow from power by a violent mob of Ultranationalist with baseball bats and gus.. So is not that Assad murdered anyone the problem..but that he did not became a puppet to the west. The Syrian problems have everything to do with US imperialism and israel plans to create a new middle east were no resistance exist to their hegemony..  This is all Planned from abroad.. and today Terrorist from 80 nations are fighting in Syria and this have nothing to do with Assad "mistakes" of "Repression".. is simple a war from the start against Syria by western powers using proxy fighters instead of NATO armies. and the violence Syria experience will have not been different no matter who is president in Syria.. Is war for imperialism.. and any nation that is independent and sovereign and not aligned with US and Israel global interest will be on the hit list. Similar thing happened in Chechenia ,mercenaries from abroad helped by US and Saudi Arabia created violence there.. The Syrian war is very similar to Chechenia war..a terrorist
    war funded and organized by US and Saudi Arabia ,that supplied weapons to terrorist to create chaos in chechenia and were using civilians as human shields..  And i don't see anyone suggesting Putin is a criminal..for defending its nation from terrorism..  Assad is fighting terrorism not civilians.. So You can take your propaganda BULLSHIT to another place ,because here it will not work.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:00 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Some interesting points made:

    Expert: IS air defense missiles and guns posing no threat to Russian aircraft in Syria

    What the militants have is mostly old MANPADS (man-portable air defense missiles) that cannot hit anything higher than 4,000 m, while Russian aircraft operate at higher altitude, an expert believes



    MOSCOW, October 9. /TASS/. The man-portable air defense missiles (MANPADS) and antiaircraft guns available to the militants of the Islamic State (IS), which is banned in Russia, do not pose a credible threat to the Russian warplanes operating in Syria, Ivan Konovalov, director of Strategic Conjuncture Center, believes.

    "First off, the militants lack advanced formidable air defense systems. What they have is mostly old MANPADS — old [US-made] Stingers or Russian-made Strelas [NATO reporting name SA-7 Grail] that cannot hit anything higher than 4,000 m, while our aircraft operate at higher altitude," Konovalov told TASS on Friday.

    In addition, infrared decoys capable of duping such missiles protect the Russian aircraft. "For instance, the Su-24 [NATO reporting name Fencer] carries 50 decoys like that," the expert specified.

    "Now, our planes operating in Syria are faced with the minimal risk, because they operate in such a manner that Su-24M and Su-34 bombers mostly release their bombs and missiles from outside of the reach of MANPADS," he emphasized, reminding that the Russian pilots have been employing standoff weapons, e.g. Kh-29L missiles and KAB-500 smart bombs, that outrange MANPADS.

    Only helicopters and Su-25SM ground attack aircraft are vulnerable to MANPADS, because their speed and service ceiling are limited, Konovalov said.

    "However, Su-25SMs have been used on a limited scale, i.e. only where the risk of encountering MANPADS and AAA is minimal," he stressed.

    "The helicopters are not used for attacking IS positions altogether," he reminded. According to Konovalov, it is deducible from Russian Defense Ministry briefs that they have been used only for defending the perimeter of Hmeimim air base, where the Russian air task force is deployed.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/827491

    Actually max altitude for Stinger E/F is 3.600m or so, Redeye 2.700m, Strela 2M/2M (depends on country) is around 2.400m, Igla 1M is same as Stinger around 3.500-600m, Mistral 1 around 3000m. I would not know exact values for Strela S or Mistral 2.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:05 am

    flamming_python wrote:FFS, what is it with all this jacking off to dreams of a war with the Gulf States (and yes, electronic warfare is an act of war).

    It might be jacking off, but Russia is already at (proxy) war with them. All the nice words in official statements don't really mean much....a direct conflict is not unthinkable IMO
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:15 am

    Project Canada wrote:Saudis tell Russia its actions in Syria will have 'dangerous consequences'

    Saudi dogs are barking again, of course with the direction of their USIS master Rolling Eyes

    Saudi Arabia is mad cause their men are dying by mass from Russia and Syria. All the while, the incompetent saudi forces are getting their asses handed to them in Yemen and even within their own territory.

    Eventually, if Saudi Arabia keeps it up, Iran will end up with modern weapon systems and those will end up in yemen against Saudi Arabia.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:31 am

    Operations on the Al-Ghab Plain. The Mi-24 are said to be Russian, but I'm no expert on helicopter modifications. With all the "tank-cam" videos from annanews over the years showing almost only the tanks upgraded to T-72AV standard, it is a little surprising that almost all tanks seen so far in these operations are unmodified, not even local "Mad max" type modifications.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Hachimoto on Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:39 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:

    Despit we are backing the russian way of thinking and acting in this issue, we can't call Assad an intelligent guy !! beside he and his father are pure criminals (no body can deny that) he was not so smart the way he handled this war from the begining

    I'm sure Russia now want to replace him asap as putin now this guy is fried and if russia do not put someone from their side others will do it sooner or later.

    Also i'm choked from the level of Syrian army soldiers, no wonder how a bunch of heavy armed amateurs took them down !

    And you know the Assad family are "criminals" based on what?  oh yeah..

    Hi i Was not talking about those event, assad's family and Baat party are not angels you know specialy the father, and bachar is not clean either

    As i said defending russian position and interests shoudn't let us deform some facts.

    I suspect Russia will go for a short term : keep Asad .... middle term:Seek someone who everybody can accept at least for a coupe of years.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Hachimoto on Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:41 am

    Erk wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:

    Also i'm choked from the level of Syrian army soldiers, no wonder how a bunch of heavy armed amateurs took them down !

    What do you mean "took them down"?  The Syrian army is still fighting.

    ISiS have about 70,000 troops according to the Russian military last year.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/766237

    That's not a small force.

    Even before ISIS they was struggeling.

    Now with russian help things seems quite interesting for them.

    and ISIS 70.000 is exagerate i think even in Iraq they don't have such numbers well at least according to media like RT..
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:28 am

    Four mortars fired at pro Syria/Russia friendship rally of about 4,000 people outside Russian embassy in Damascus. Mortars fired from Dzhobar district which is controlled by "Jaish al Islam" and "Al-Nusra Front". No details on casualties.
    http://lifenews.ru/news/164247
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:38 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:I have to go to the office now, but I'll write about the subject as soon as I can.

    No worries Morpheus. In case you get some time.Cheers.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:51 pm

    Video of the attack on the pro Assad/Russia rally outside Russian embassy in Damascus. Three people reported slightly wounded.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:24 pm

    Hmm, glad to know they are having a pro Russian rally, but it is extremely dangerous. I am glad no one died as well. Hope perpetrators are caught.

    As for the unmodified t-72's.... they need to really get their act up. Tanks are already questionable in dealing with terrorists. Especially the tanks that get seen first through thermals on the anti tank weapons. Hell, thousands of Russian antitank systems in use by both sides, use thermals. But the tanks?

    Maybe convert older T-55's still in service with 57mm turret and add on armor. Mad max or not, style.

    SVP-24 clearly showing its high value, and should become standard forball of Syrias and Rus jets.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:31 pm

    Actually it is because the tanks are very valuable that long range ATGM's are starting to pop up. Silent and precise they allow harassment. The problem isn't to find a way to protect Tanks but to actually track the ATGM teams. This isn't done by Active measures slapped on 40/50 year old tanks, but by having infantry weed out the ATGM teams for artillery especially when they are in harassment mode.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:34 pm

    Well more tanks on the way pirat ...reportedly port of Novorosijsk



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