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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:24 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Britain should join airstrikes in Syria and not be "diverted" by the "worrying" risk of a clash with Russian forces, the Defence Secretary has said. Michael Fallon said there was an "inescapable logic" to extending UK military action across the border from Iraq in its fight against Islamic State (IS). He also accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of "prolonging" the bloodshed in Syria by supporting President Bashar Assad's regime. Asked about the risk of a collision or accidental clash with Mr Putin's forces, he told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "I am worried. "When you have this activity you have on the Turkish border, which is a NATO border ... you have seen incursions into Turkish airspace." But he added: "I don't think we should let Russia divert us for a moment from our focus against Isil (IS). "Don't let us forget that Isil beheaded British hostages, they were behind the slaughter of 30 British holidaymakers on a beach in Tunisia." Mr Fallon reiterated the Government's commitment to holding a fresh Commons vote on Syria bombing raids, saying: "Isil (IS) is run from northeast Syria where Assad has not been in control for a couple of years."

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    Source: http://news.sky.com/story/1571655/fallon-uk-must-strike-syria-despite-russia-fears

    I don't know why but after reading that I am pissed off. Our spineless and gutless politicians would rather stand on the sidelines and insult the other guy who's doing the dirty work while also accusing him of all sorts of bullshit (i.e. Russia). If this fucking coward had determination his country would've joined the fight against ISIS a long time ago.

    "He also accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of "prolonging" the bloodshed in Syria by supporting President Bashar Assad's regime". Honestly, what the F U C K is that supposed to mean? Perhaps I should interpret this as Great Britain shedding tears over dead terrorists?

    The "War against ISIS"  is nothing but a cover of the war against Assad.
    They "created"/rename some FSA fighters to ISIS when their no fly zone failed in Syria back in 2013  because of the chemical weapons false flag attack.  So US and UK ,France and all its Gulf allies use ISIS as a trojan horse to invade Syria , and witheir airforce they intended to provide
    air cover to the terrorist which will be now very hard to do with Russia flying there.

    I think they really fear the possibility of their terrorist being defeated with the help of Russia..
    because that will mean investigations later will be done ,probes to see who really was the west
    sponsoring..and there is a big likely possibility that when Syria defeat the terrorist will take to court Obama /Cameron ,Erdogan once they are not in power for genocide and warcrimes for evidence they will show that ISIS was being armed by them and even lawsuits against those governments too. So today maybe will be impossible to get to a jail any of those leaders ,because criminals never investigate themselves. but things 10 years or more in future under new leaders under a new Europe nobody knows. All that it takes for justice to happen is to get
    just one of them.. like Erdogan in TUrkey for example and McAin too.  Under a more Rebellious European Union to US Imperialism..that could happen.  Then sanctions could start and so and so.

    The way i see it.. the entire future of the planet is what Russia is fighting for. If Syria allowed to fall ,IRAQ will fall too and lebanon too..and then move to Egypt and later IRAN all of them nations friendly to Russia economy, and the entire middle east will be turned into a safe heaven for Alqaeda and ISIS but this time armed with modern NATO weapons and in control of oil.

    This conflict will have global consequences because once they finish in middle east if allowed to win ,ISIS and Alqaeda can be re-exported to any part of the world and repeat what they did in Syria.. ISIS can be used by Ukraine against Russia for example. And the more success ISIS have in middle east the more muslins will want to join the crusade to install Islam as the only religion in the world.  Effectively the root of the problem in the world..with international organized terror is US imperialism. That is the cause and root of the problem and it needs to be stopped. Only Europe can do that ,because Americans will do nothing. Simple things like leaving NATO and the European Union creating an economic alliance with Russia will be a mortal blown
    to US Imperialism..and truly make them reverse their policies.. if they do not want to become completely irrelevant power in the world ,that no body anymore listen.

    Only when Europeans understand that the Refugee crisis is an American created problem
    and that americans will turn their countries into another middle east with suicide bombers at every corner with a muslin majority if they continue to be their allies and continue playing american games to help them to become a world empire.. ,then only then they will
    be prepared to do something about this..and reverse their problems and take back again the control of their nations..they can truly achieve this by leaveing NATO and kicking all American military bases from Europe and creating a major political /military and economical alliance with Russia. Between Europe and Russia working together they can totally replace the need for Americans for anything in the world ,if they threaten to cut all business relations with them . and create a real world of justice and prosperity ,focused in development and no longer terrorism will show up , since any nation who dares to sponsor it will be economically isolated by the EU/RUssia alliance. I think is the selfish European leaders that thinks better in their personal fortune than in what is good for the world what allow this injustice and evil leaders to continue destroying entire countries and civilizations with impunity or any fear for consequences against them.


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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:33 am

    Yeah, the FSA was MIA for about 2-3 years and now suddenly they're everywhere again....same crap more or less, they just change their names and flag according to the political situation
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    Post  Bidoul on Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:39 am

    Militarov wrote:

    They are dropping Strela from service for some years now, only Igla 1E shall remain and they want to obtain Stinger or Mistral to suplement them.

    Note that Mistral would likely be second hand, French MANPADs stocks are so low I can see the bottom from here (around 180 launchers, around 500 Mistral RMV missiles).

    There maybe some firing posts and S1 missiles available in the African stockpiles (they don't appear on the main registers) that can be parted with but that's about it.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:41 am

    Zaslon (SVR Spetsnaz) in Syria

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:58 am

    max steel wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Jordan, Turkey, Israeli occupied Golan. Kurds don't need backdoor deals, PKK guys are eager to blow anything with a turkish flag and roundel out of the sky, so yeah Russian supplies against "ISIS" without a problem.

    Israel, seriously? First of all, they are closely coordinating with the Russians. I think the most important question, to any party considering delivering MANPADs, is how the Russians will retaliate if they find who the source is.

    Israel was supporting them, until Russia offered a better deal to Israel. Basically Russia gave Israel an "offer you couldn't refuse", a 2-pronged 'hard-power'/'soft-power' deal. Hard power: Russia basically gave Israel a strong guarantee that they'll use their power and influence to keep the very formidable Hezbollah party's military wing (defeated the IDF on 2 different occasions on the battlefield) from reaching Israel's borders....and Soft Power: Russia has offered to help develop pipelines from Israel's mega-gas field 'Leviathan' and to ship it to Southern European markets.


    any evidence on Leviathan shipment to european markets commitment ? How will they cross it if Syria is against it .

    It's pretty much under the table, in the early talks.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:18 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    max steel wrote:ISIS Fighters Cut Off Beards And Run Away As Russia, Iran Close In



    unshaven unshaven lol1

    ISIS transvestites lol:

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    Oh how the mighty have fallen.... lol1 unshaven

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    About those MANPADs, if true, RT will have a field day with this and ATM they have decent audience. As for battle effect, even if they reach the terrorists VKS is not Soviet air force and this is not the 80's. Plus there is always Kurds and Houties and Christmas season... Twisted Evil

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    ''Russian Airstrikes Help Syrian Army Liberate New Areas Near Aleppo''

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151018/1028723804/syrian-army-liberate-aleppo-russia.html

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    Post  Kyo on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:34 am

    Another "Syrian Express" Russian Shipment

    Two large amphibious ships of the BSF, "Nikolai Filchenkov" and "Saratov" passed through the Turkish strait to the Mediterranean Sea on Saturday October 17th, according to local news portals, publishing photos of their passage through the Bosphorus on Saturday night. In front of them were two auxiliary vessels, large bulk carriers "Yauza" and "50-Dvinitsa River." BDK "Caesar Kunikov" returned permanently to Tartus.

    According to observers, sent ships carrying military supplies to the Syrian city of Tartus, where the point of logistics of the RN in the Mediterranean is located.

    10/17/2015 150 "Saratov" in the Mediterranean Sea BDK (Large Landing Ship)
    10/17/2015 152 "Nikolai Phylchenkov" in the Mediterranean Sea BDK
    10/16/2015 "Yauza" in the Mediterranean Sea Dry Cargo Ship
    10/14/2015 "Dvinitsa River 50" in the Mediterranean Sea Dry Cargo Ship
    10/14/2015 158 "Caesar Kunikov" from the Mediterranean Sea BDK
    Istanbul sites point out that the first two Russian amphibious ships passed simultaneously through the Turkish strait.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:52 am

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:53 am

    LOL.. look what i just found on Syrian war discussions..  



    davidbrown@optusnet.com.au says:
    October 18th, 2015 at 3:03 PM [Level 0 - Anonymous]
    the russians fired 26 cruise missiles because the 26th president of america was theodore roosevelt. the name of a certain aircraft carrier located in the gulf. it has since moved. a nice succinct message from russia it seems?


    Coincidence?
    Anyone who understand world politics ,will know coincidences do not exist in politics.
    But instead things always have a reason to be.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:54 am

    Air strikes on IS convoy in Syria kill 40

    Beirut (AFP) - Air strikes on a convoy of the Islamic State group killed at least 40 jihadists in central Syria at the weekend, a monitoring group said Sunday.

    The Observatory, which monitors the war in Syria and has a network of sources on the ground, was not immediately able to say whether the raids were carried out by Russian warplanes or Syrian regime ones.

    "But they don't belong to the coalition led by Washington," said Observatory chief Rami Abdel Rahman.

    http://news.yahoo.com/air-strikes-convoy-syria-kill-40-monitor-191708956.html


    Vann wrote:Coincidence?

    Now that you brought it up, probably not
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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:42 am

    Seems things will only get nastier in Syria.. US republicans and kerry and Turkey demanding Obama to support a a "safe zone" inside Syria to protect western "freedom fighters" and block Russia bombings on their moderate terrorist , and US airforce is officially now at War with Syria ,openly bombing Syria electrical power plants already two destroyed in Aleppo.. This is vital services necessary for Syrians to live being bombed by US airforce..as a provocation to Russia.   Syria Airforce or Russian airforce goes shot down one american plane and what will happen next? Im you ask me.. so be it.. If the west wants to provoke Russia into a limited war then they should give them a really good one.

    Again this is all aimed at Russian citizens ,to create panic there (if for example one American plane or Russian one fight each other and shut down either one) that Russia should not be
    in a confrontation with Americans under any event over Syria.Most Russians will not see a direct connection between Syria and Russia and how important is defeating ISIS there.. on top how major impact on their economy will have if US allowed to overrun Syria and build a pipeline there to bypass Gazprom. This is why i think RUssia will try to avoid using lethal force on Americans and blow their planes ,when is not the right time.. (ie..they busy capturing cities) unless the life of Russians in Syria or Top Syrian command and Assad in danger.  

    As expected no american media reported any aggression of US airforce against Syria.  
    Im sure Russia will try to call the world into attention at this illegal attacks by US on Syria.

    In more news.. it looks like time is also on the Side of Russia too in Syria..
    more and more European countries ,including NATO ones ,support Russia actions in Syria.

    This is exactly what Russia needs..  pirat  russia
    To gain international opinion openly ,so that the Anglozionist powers no longer can continue
    operating in Syria without major rejection to their policies..

    Had most of Europe ,including NATO countries openly supported Russia and even joined their coalition with at least 1 or 2 combat planes , Americans will have retreated already from Syria
    because they cannot afford such humiliation of being seen as ignored and isolated ,neither can take the risk of shooting down a plane of an European NATO ally..  Cool

    Public Opinion with direct open support is the most effective way to defeat US and allies illegal war in Syria.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151018/1028702002/nato-slovakia-welcomes-russia-involvement.html

    So Russia needs patience a lot of patience.. in this Syrian conflict and try to create the major coalition possible.. is unfortunate however to not see any other CIS country or BRICS fighting in
    Russia coalition.. where is India? Where is China? defeating ISIS and Alqaeda should be a major policy for China and India ..since they can be used against them too..if US allowed to win and over Run Syria.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:53 am

    More laughable propaganda from the pro-terrorist media...

    How to stop Russian airstrikes with electric fans to...get this...to start a sandstorm:

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    ^^^^^^^^^

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    ...I wonder if anyone got the reference lol! lol1
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:14 am

    The liberal manufactured, de-facto pro-ISIS rally in Moscow...oh such huge crowd! Rolling Eyes

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    ....Oh forgive us ISIS... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:19 am

    Now it is even easier to identify people and start questioning about support of terrorism. These people I think are screwing with their own future.
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    Post  par far on Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:13 am

    The British has been really talking about engaging Russia in Syria, will they do that?
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:36 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The liberal manufactured, de-facto pro-ISIS rally in Moscow...oh such huge crowd! Rolling Eyes

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    ....Oh forgive us ISIS... Rolling Eyes

    The level of police presence would suggest there was a certain concern of angry bystanders beating the crap out of those liberast scum.
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    Post  max steel on Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:58 am

    DARUDE
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:03 am

    par far wrote:The British has been really talking about engaging Russia in Syria, will they do that?

    Yes.  Because the British are a mighty power and Russia wouldn't retaliate at all.  So yes, British will engage Russia in Syria illegally of course too so that it blows up in their face internationally. Rolling Eyes

    Seriously, how old are you?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:22 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Meanwhile no SU34 ever downed anything in combat. ...

    How do you know that?

    How do you know it did?

    This is not an answer to my question and is unrelated to what I asked; my question was directed towards your claim stating that "... no SU34 ever downed anything in combat ...".

    Militarov wrote:There would be reports of such incident especially in todays world. People cant keep their mouth shut if it was their life in question.

    This "argument" is obviously not an answer as it is completely incorrect.

    By the way, do you think that there is "anybody" that hasn't heard this "argument" before, and you think that I haven't heard it continuously over the last half a century? If you know the answer to these questions, why are you repeating this "argument" then?

    Please understand that, "everybody" is, of course, aware of this most fallacious of arguments when they ask the question that I asked?

    Who voted this post down?
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    Post  Kyo on Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:40 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The liberal manufactured, de-facto pro-ISIS rally in Moscow...oh such huge crowd! Rolling Eyes

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    ....Oh forgive us ISIS... Rolling Eyes
    A few so and so's at the party.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:07 pm

    Kyo wrote:Another "Syrian Express" Russian Shipment

    Two large amphibious ships of the BSF, "Nikolai Filchenkov" and "Saratov" passed through the Turkish strait to the Mediterranean Sea on Saturday October 17th, according to local news portals, publishing photos of their passage through the Bosphorus on Saturday night. In front of them were two auxiliary vessels, large bulk carriers "Yauza" and "50-Dvinitsa River." BDK "Caesar Kunikov" returned permanently to Tartus.

    According to observers, sent ships carrying military supplies to the Syrian city of Tartus, where the point of logistics of the RN in the Mediterranean is located.

    10/17/2015 150 "Saratov" in the Mediterranean Sea BDK (Large Landing Ship)
    10/17/2015 152 "Nikolai Phylchenkov" in the Mediterranean Sea BDK
    10/16/2015 "Yauza" in the Mediterranean Sea Dry Cargo Ship
    10/14/2015 "Dvinitsa River 50" in the Mediterranean Sea Dry Cargo Ship
    10/14/2015 158 "Caesar Kunikov" from the Mediterranean Sea BDK
    Istanbul sites point out that the first two Russian amphibious ships passed simultaneously through the Turkish strait.
    The Yauza is the only one of those that is transmitting AIS so allowing tracking. It is currently SW of Cyprus on its way to Tartus. The Dvinista River 50 switched its AIS off in Novorossiysk after it changed its name from Alican Duval.

    Moscow apparently has figured out that the landing ships they have no longer have the capacity needed to move large numbers of vehicles and other military hardware to Syria. According to a blog linked to the Center for the Analysis of Strategy and Technology, as many as eight commercial vessels (pretty old, so cheap by the look of them) were recently purchased for use by the Russian Navy and are now military ships, seemingly without AIS. The ships will be manned by a mix of military and civilian sailors. With this increase in capacity it is possible that the Large Landing Craft will concentrate on their Ro-Ro ability with heavy vehicles rather than carrying containers.

    Incidently, 152 Nikolai Filchenkov was really heavily loaded southbound this time, well down in the water compared to 150 Saratov passing at the same time. Yauza looks well loaded with containers everywhere they could get them on its decks.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:19 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Meanwhile no SU34 ever downed anything in combat. ...

    How do you know that?

    How do you know it did? There would be reports of such incident especially in todays world. People cant keep their mouth shut if it was their life in question.

    I am taking this matter to the “Forum Nontechnical Issues” thread at Arrow http://www.russiadefence.net/t3916-forum-non-technical-issues#129097
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:57 pm


    Russian airstrikes in Syria 'redrawing battlefield lines', sending ISIS fleeing (VIDEO)

    https://www.rt.com/news/319054-syria-airstrikes-targets-hit/





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    Post  ultron on Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russian airstrikes in Syria 'redrawing battlefield lines', sending ISIS fleeing (VIDEO)

    https://www.rt.com/news/319054-syria-airstrikes-targets-hit/






    Meh. There are millions of insurgent positions in Idlib alone. At this rate, 10 years from now the Russian air force would still be bombing over Idlib. geek

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