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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  max steel on Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:53 am

    UK making sense now after Moscow demanded them to explain: Green Light to shoot down Russian jets.



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:31 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:Just out of interest, what kind of altitude are us/uk planes carrying out their air strikes from compared to russian?

    Zero meter above the ground level (AGL).
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:34 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:This is interesting:

    The cost of Russian military operations in Syria will be about $ 1 billion a year.

    Not bad, considering that the operation is supposed to only last 4 months, and if that claim holds true it'll cost approx. $300 million. A small price to pay to prevent the Wahabbi vermin carrying out terror attacks on Russian soil (considering all the Chechen extremists), and besides I'm sure Russian companies will be rewarded handsomely in hydrocarbon and arms supply contracts from Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

    Its actually extremly low amount, question is what does it include.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:50 am



    Wow look at this footage.. is insane.. is apparently from Hama..
    Mi-24 hellicopters being shot by terrorist for long time with waves of machine guns...
    but apparently not strong enough to damage them,and it seemed that aside of the birds..
    that appears to show in video , there were attacks by manpads too ..at very close kill distance ?




    Can anyone confirm this? It looks like a few manpads portable missiles were fired on the Mi-24 hellicopters but somehow they miss and never explode..and at times it appears to look like at times some projectiles fired at the hellicopters.. are deflected by the hellicopters.. but maybe
    is just birds.. in any case.. it looks crazy dangerous.. close to suicide.. what they did.. to fight so close to the terrorist and continue flying like nothing. Maybe the shots were all Ak-47..? and the manpads not properly used..

    Trust me what those guys did there was totally crazy.. not even tanks charge at terrorist positions in that way..if they using anti tank rockets.. but the video is really impressive ,
    how the mi-24 keep flying. But again we cannot know for sure how dangerous was without knowing the weapons used against them.



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:56 am

    Sense is prevailing in the air

    In the wake of US-Russian discussions on preventing accidental collisions between each others' aircraft while operating in the sky over Syria, the American side issued a special rule, prohibiting US jets from closely approaching Russian planes.

    Defense representatives of both nations conducted a video conference on safe flight operations over Syria on Saturday, CNN reported. During the negotiations, they discussed ways of avoiding any possible incidents between Russian and American air forces during air raids in the sky over Syria. The US has implemented a decree that forbids American pilots from getting any nearer than 32.2 kilometers (20 miles) to Russian jets while flying over Syria. Moreover, if Russian aircraft is detected in the area of US military operation, any American forces are obliged to cancel their operations in the area. Several US air raids have already been cancelled under that rule.

    According to CNN, the US is concerned about the possible scenario in which a pilot would be forced to eject over Syrian territory, and situations like this are unacceptable for Russia as well.

    Pentagon representatives said that the hour-and-a-half meeting was “productive,” and Russian media sources reported a Russo-American agreement on the issue. So far that document hasn’t been revealed publicly. These negotiations are not the first instance of such meetings. Talks between Russians and Americans to guarantee the safety of their respective flight operations over Syria have been carried out for the last two weeks.

    Both sides have now moved on to discussions about preventing approaches into Turkish airspace, considered to be an important issue for the US, but also for its NATO allies.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028370993/US-Aircraft-Make-Way-Russian-Jets-Syria.html#ixzz3oLVtp1Dg
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:01 pm

    It's a sizeable, but not exactly huge deployment by Russian standards....it's roughly a mixed aviation brigade in size plus the naval force (which exercises in the area regularly anyway). Logistics would probably be the costliest component considering the increased seaborne traffic and regular reports of transport aircraft coming and going


    JohninMK wrote:Sense is prevailing in the air

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028370993/US-Aircraft-Make-Way-Russian-Jets-Syria.html#ixzz3oLVtp1Dg

    Yep, good to hear


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    Post  Rodinazombie on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:03 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:06 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Wow look at this footage.. is insane.. is apparently from Hama..
    Mi-24 hellicopters being shot by terrorist for long time  with waves of machine guns...
    but apparently not strong enough to damage them,and it seemed that aside of the birds..
    that appears to show in video , there were attacks by manpads too ..at very close kill distance ?




    Can anyone confirm this? It looks like a few manpads portable missiles were fired on the Mi-24 hellicopters but somehow they miss and never explode..and at times it appears to look like at times some projectiles fired at the hellicopters.. are deflected by the hellicopters.. but maybe
    is just birds..  in any case.. it looks crazy dangerous.. close to suicide.. what they did.. to fight so close to the terrorist and continue flying like nothing. Maybe the shots were all Ak-47..?  and the manpads not properly used..  

    Trust me what those guys did there was totally crazy.. not even tanks charge at terrorist positions in that way..if they using anti tank rockets.. but the video is really impressive ,
    how the mi-24 keep flying.  But again we cannot know for sure how dangerous was without knowing the weapons used against them.




    I don't need to trust you back in the day Mk Crocodiles were doing the same kind of moves against UCK militants. It's SOP with Crocodiles because it is that fast down low and very suvivable. Under 100m you can't lock with a ManPad in that cluttered environement. The biggest trouble is well placed AAA fire but usually those grass cuts are done once the artillery has done blowing up visible positions.

    There's an RPG fired towards the second Croc and it failed to come even close. Ballers.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Monarchist on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:09 pm




    "Наша задача заключается в том, чтобы стабилизировать законную власть и создать условия для поиска политического компромисса", - сказал он в интервью программе "Воскресный вечер с Владимиром Соловьевым" на телеканале "Россия-1".

    "Our objective is to stabilize the legitimate authority and create conditions for a political compromise", - he said in an interview with the program "Sunday Night with Vladimir Solovyov" on TV channel "Russia-1".

    Laughing Minsk-III. With Assad forcing to sit on the negotiation table with people from ISIS, Jabhat AlNusra, Islamic Front.

    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/472593


    Вот за что я люблю наши кремлевские власти, так это за выдающуюся сообразительность. Всего-то две недели повоевали и уже скорректировали планы! Уже не "разгром террористов ИГИЛ", а нечто пусть столь же недостижимое (имеющимися силами и в среднесрочной перспективе), но куда более скромное. Так, глядишь, через месяц-другой реинкарнируются на новой почве пропагандистские "мантры" о том, что сирийцы "сами должны воевать с ИГИЛ, а не бежать в Европу" - с логичным выводом: "сами, всё сами!"

    That's what I love our Kremlin authorities, so it is for the outstanding intelligence. Just something to war two weeks and have already adjusted plans! It is not the "defeat of terrorists ISIL" and let something as unattainable (available forces and in the medium term), but much more modest. So, you see, a month or reincarnate on the basis of a new propaganda "mantra" that the Syrians "have to fight for themselves with ISIL and not flee to Europe" - a logical conclusion, "themselves, all by yourself!"

    Strelkov on Putin's comments, and the campaign.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:17 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Kedmi, ex Mossad guy speaking about Russia. Sry only in Russian


    That Jewish accent is Horrible, looks like French people learnt Russian.

    He doesn't have a Jewish accent at all, pure Russian - it's just he uses some Israeli mannerisms; like a kinda Hebrew way of talking and phrasing some things - but in Russian. But his actual accent and pronunciation isn't Israeli.
    He talks a little funny in this video but that's probably coz he has a cold or sinus blockage or something.

    Not Kedmi, the anchor...
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Erk on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:20 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:

    The damage to buildings is extreme.
    The question that's always in the back of my mind, how is Syria going to afford the reconstruction if they win against the Jihadists?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:25 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:

    The damage to buildings is extreme.
    The question that's always in the back of my mind, how is Syria going to afford the reconstruction if they win against the Jihadists?

    Long term loans from China and Russia i suppose. Also we can expect despite whatever i personally think about them that UNHCR would provide some help to common people in material to rebuild homes etc. Syria is not first country being ravaged by the war in this century, my village where i was born looked like Stalingrad in 1993.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:52 pm

    IF you think you have heard all.. check this..
    Apparently the new Low of US Gov and its gulf dictators coalition is the  planning now to use Civilians in ISIS and Alqaeda zones as human shields.. to block Russia Airforce from bombing
    the places.. and Syrian Government from any effective operation.. So basically the US government will put at risk civilians to block Russia from bombing their Alqaeda and ISIS terrorist.  Isn't this the same as terrorist moving inside a school and taking hostage children and using them as shield so the police do not attack them?  unbelievable how they will justify
    this new low.. Shocked




    Tony Cartalucci - US Senate Hearing Discusses Using Refugees as Human Shields in Syria

    http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/12/us-senate-hearing-discusses-using-refugees-as-human-shields-in-syria/

    A recent US Senate hearing regarding Russia’s ongoing air campaign in Syria plumbed dark depths when it was actually proposed by retired US Army General John M. Keane that “free zones” be established for armed militants, and populated with refugees to deter Russian attacks.

    In essence, General Keane’s plan is to use refugees as human shields, and leverage any attack on this established “free zone” as a means of manipulating public opinion.

    The US Strategy Until Now

    The recent multinational anti-terror operation led by Russia at the request of the Syrian government has dealt the United States and its narrative regarding its own military intervention in Syria a severe blow.

    It has become abundantly clear that not only has the United States been arming and funding extremists inside of Syria, including groups operating in tandem with listed terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front, it also appears that the US has feigned its campaign against the so-called “Islamic State” (ISIS/ISIL).



    In more interested news..

    Russia using electronic warfare to cloak its actions in Syria from Isis and Nato



    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-using-electronic-warfare-cloak-its-actions-syria-isis-nato-1523328

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Rodinazombie on Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:56 pm

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:03 pm



    I don't need to trust you back in the day Mk Crocodiles were doing the same kind of moves against UCK militants. It's SOP with Crocodiles because it is that fast down low and very suvivable. Under 100m you can't lock with a ManPad in that cluttered environement. The biggest trouble is well placed AAA fire but usually those grass cuts are done once the artillery has done blowing up visible positions.

    There's an RPG fired towards the second Croc and it failed to come even close. Ballers.









    no its risky as fuck
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:04 pm

    New fighter jets join Russian Aerospace Forces' operation in Syria — Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, October 12. /TASS/. Sukhoi Su-30 fighters have been included in the air group of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov told reporters on Monday.

    "The Su-30 fighters provide air escort for all flights of our strike aircraft in the Syrian Arab Republic," he said.

    The Russian aviation group has been making pinpoint airstrikes on terrorist facilities in Syria since September 30. According to previous reports, the Russian Aerospace Force group comprises more than 50 planes and helicopters. In particular, the Su-24M modernised frontline bombers and Su-25SM strike aircraft, as well as the newest Su-34 strike fighters have been involved in the operation. The air strikes are delivered at military hardware, communications centres, transport vehicles, munitions depots and other terrorist infrastructure facilities. The military operation is conducted at the request of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    Russian warplanes wipe out 25 IS strongholds

    According to the spokesman, Russian warplanes in Syria have wiped out 25 strongholds and fortified positions of the Islamic State with armaments and other equipment over the past 24 hours.

    "All in all Russian planes have destroyed the terrorists’ stronghold near the village of Salma, in Latakia province, seven command posts, six field camps and six ammunition depots, Konashenkov said.

    A motor convoy, one mortar group and three underground shelters were destroyed in Latakia province, he added.

    Russian bombers destroy Islamic State’s transition center in Syria’s Latakia

    The official noted that Russian Su-24M fighter jets have destroyed a large transit center of the Islamic State (IS) terrorist organization with underground shelters and ammunition depots in the Syrian province of Latakia.

    "As a result of a targeted strike by Su-24M bombers near the settlement of Salma in the province of Latakia, a large transit center with underground shelters and ammunition depots belonging to the ISIL [Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - former name of IS] group, discovered by space surveillance, was destroyed by non-fragmentation bombs," Konashenkov said.

    A large explosion was registered on the site after bombs detonated, and the facility was completely destroyed, he noted.

    Islamic State training camp destroyed in Syria’s Idlib Province

    The spokesman also said that Russia's Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bombers destroyed a big camp for
    training of militants for the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group in Syria’s Idlib Province.

    "Su-34 bombers delivered an air strike on a camp of militants, located near Mastum in the Idlib Province," he said. "The reconnaissance reports the IS used the camp to accumulate militants coming from other countries."

    The camp also offered "complex additional training in tactics and explosive technique, where teachers were experienced instructors," the general added.

    Islamic State taking ‘frantic efforts’ to replenish weapons and munitions arsenals along frontline

    According to Konashenkov, Islamic State gunmen are taking ‘frantic efforts’ to replenish their munitions and fuel reserves along the frontline in Syria as Russian air strikes have ruined their logistics base.

    "In the recent days, terrorists are taking frantic efforts to pull weapons, munitions and fuels from the Raqqah province to the line of engagement with the Syrian army," he said, adding that the bulk of their weapons arsenals and fuels depots had been destroyed by Russian warplanes.

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    Post  ult on Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:26 pm

    Could this mean that more Su-30SM have arrived?

    https://russian.rt.com/article/122961
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Akula971 on Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:35 pm

    NationalRus wrote:

    I don't need to trust you back in the day Mk Crocodiles were doing the same kind of moves against UCK militants. It's SOP with Crocodiles because it is that fast down low and very suvivable. Under 100m you can't lock with a ManPad in that cluttered environement. The biggest trouble is well placed AAA fire but usually those grass cuts are done once the artillery has done blowing up visible positions.

    There's an RPG fired towards the second Croc and it failed to come even close. Ballers.









    no its risky as fuck

    Let me just say this - None of these Mi 24s are equipped with the electronic suites that are onboard the Mi 24s flying in Syria right now. I will go out on a limb and say the Mi 8s operational right now have better EWS and ECM suites than what these helos have.

    EDIT: All these helos that were shot down werent following the low and fast pattern that the Ru / Sy AF Mis are flying.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:50 pm

    they were, i compared the footage the russian mis arent flying neather lower nor faster then the ukranians (~10-20m above ground), sri lankans (~10m above ground) or armenians (~15-25m above ground), at 100m you are manpad FOOD and please share exactly with us all what the russian mi's in syria have for countermeasures that will stop any 3rd generation manpad
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:04 pm

    NationalRus wrote:

    I don't need to trust you back in the day Mk Crocodiles were doing the same kind of moves against UCK militants. It's SOP with Crocodiles because it is that fast down low and very suvivable. Under 100m you can't lock with a ManPad in that cluttered environement. The biggest trouble is well placed AAA fire but usually those grass cuts are done once the artillery has done blowing up visible positions.

    There's an RPG fired towards the second Croc and it failed to come even close. Ballers.









    no its risky as fuck

    Not when manoeuvering and chaffing. It is actually less dangerous than flying high. And all those were killed with no countermeasure and two of them while ferrying (Ukraine, and Armenian).
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    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:04 pm

    Minimum effective range for Stinger FIM92E/F is claimed to be 200m by Raytheon, which means in certain situations flying low can annoy the Hell out of MANPAD operator. This does not mean altitude of 200m, but the way missile has to go to become effective.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:07 pm


    "Russian Jets Conduct 55 Sorties in Syria, Hit 53 ISIL Targets"

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028390563/russian-airstrikes-syria.html#ixzz3oM36XFlp

    #SYRIA: In 24 hrs destroyed: 25 strongpoints 7 HQs 6 training camps 6 ammo depots vehicle column 3 undrgrnd shelters mobile mortar group

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:10 pm


    "Saudi Arabia Gives Up Its Resistance Against Russia - German Media"

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151012/1028397831/saudi-arabia-gives-up-resistance.html#ixzz3oM40hZfT
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:14 pm


    Not when manoeuvering and chaffing. It is actually less dangerous than flying high. And all those were killed with no countermeasure and two of them while ferrying (Ukraine, and Armenian).

    nooooo shiiiiiittt sherlock, and ferrying or not, they did all by the book VERY LOW and fast and it didnt save them.. but like i said which of this "countermeasures" have proven themselfs working against 3rd generations manpads and a heli out maneuvering a "locked on" second or 3rd generation manpad, never heard of that ever happening like ever, if the missle locked in on it i would strongly assume the heli is to 97% food on a plate and only a bad hit would save you from a catastrophic structure failure (like the syrian mi-8 from 2012)

    ther is none fool proof tactic against modern manpads that will work perfect or even very good, not even slightly close

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