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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:34 am

    He posted a link I don't see how that makes it a scam.
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    Post  max steel Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:41 am

    Mi-24 dangerously launching flares everywhere in case a manpad is around. Respect. Sounds like  liver eating buddy on the radio just wet his pants.

       





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    Post  jhelb Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:24 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    While you are at it, I'll try to write a post on the topic of munition failures (e.g., of Tomakawks and Mark 82).

    Morpheus, do you remember this great missile called Kh 90 (air to surface missile) that was developed in the USSR?

    Any idea why it was scrapped? With a range of 3000 kms it would have been of great value in the Syria conflict
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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:08 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Russian missile 3M-54 Klub  fly like a Tomahawk until they are 20-30 miles out then they fire a solid booster and accelerate to 2.9 mach with terminal maneuvers if these work as advertised they are MUCH better than  Block 4 Tomahawks except for loiter and seek.

    Well that's anti ship variant.

    jhelb wrote:
    Morpheus, do you remember this great missile called Kh 90 (air to surface missile) that was developed in the USSR?

    Any idea why it was scrapped? With a range of 3000 kms it would have been of great value in the Syria conflict

    It appears too ambitious for its time, along with Meteorit-A. Plus Russian already choose Kh-101.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:16 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    While you are at it, I'll try to write a post on the topic of munition failures (e.g., of Tomakawks and Mark 82).

    Morpheus, do you remember this great missile called Kh 90 (air to surface missile) that was developed in the USSR?

    Any idea why it was scrapped? With a range of 3000 kms it would have been of great value in the Syria conflict  

    jhelb,

    I certainly remember Kh-90/GEhLA. Here is a picture of it.

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    My appraisal of the range of Kh-90 is much larger that the value you suggested. It's also an scramjet-powered system. My assessment is that if it got cancelled, that would be due to the fact that Russia has much more advanced systems in service, which is a given in itself.

    What we see does not define the extent of what exists. I have written a lot, on this forum, on this principle.

    One of the examples that I usually use is based on the fact that before the Great Patriotic War, MSM was under the impression that the top Russian tank was BT-7 (which was extremely modern only by the "Western" standards), and only recently we have found out that during that war even the production IS-4 hyper-modern tank had entered the Russian arsenal. During the coming decades, we'll still be finding out about similar more exotic facts about that war.

    BT-7:

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    IS-3

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    IS-4:

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    Post  Project Canada Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:00 pm

    msm still cant get enough of Kalibr missiles landing on Iran propaganda, now Ash Carter confirms US has indications missiles landing on Iranian soil Rolling Eyes
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:14 pm


    "Russian Jets Carry Out Record 67 Sorties Against ISIL Targets in Syria"

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151009/1028268881/russia-airsdtrike-syria.html#ixzz3o4mZ2Ygh
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:25 pm

    Project Canada wrote:msm still cant get enough of Kalibr missiles landing on Iran propaganda, now Ash Carter confirms US has indications missiles landing on Iranian soil Rolling Eyes

    Of course they "landed" in Iran because had they "landed" in Iraq someone might ask about physical evidence to be provided since USA is already present there...

    Butthurt beyond belief, although nobody expects X-Box management to sing praises to PlayStation.

    I have seen many cruise missile crash site pics back in my day, lost, crashed, shot down, self destructed... but not a single one of them even resembled that "evidence" from Iran yesterday, so I call total BS on that one




    Of course, it might also have something to do with this little detail that German media astutely observed:


    NATO Lost Orientation After Russia’s Military Operation in Syria

    Russian involvement in Syria made NATO lose its positions in the Middle East and weakened the alliance, DWN wrote.


    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151009/1028263550/nato-lost-orientation-russia-operation-syria.html

    Russia's sudden military operation in Syria caught NATO off guard, DWN wrote. Even the New York Times admitted that NATO is weakened, but struggling to make an impression that it still is influential in the region.

    According to DWN, NATO’s problem is the agreement between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Barack Obama to cooperate in Syria.

    The newspaper referred to a phone call between US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergei Lavrov that took place Thursday. The two foreign ministers spoke about possible resolution of the Syrian crisis, the need to prevent accidents in the Syrian airspace as well as coordination of efforts in the fight against ISIL and other terrorist groups.

    NATO has nothing to do but to watch the situation from the side. That is why it seeks to at least show its strength in the Baltics, deploying its military advisers there.  However, a few hundred military experts will not particularly impress Russian President Vladimir Putin, DWN wrote.

    According to the newspaper, NATO leadership has apparently lost its track and does not have any clear picture of how the complicated relationship between the alliance and Russia will develop.
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    Post  max steel Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:35 pm

    Russian missile 3M-54 Klub  fly like a Tomahawk until they are 20-30 miles out then they fire a solid booster and accelerate to 2.9 mach with terminal maneuvers if these work as advertised they are MUCH better than  Block 4 Tomahawks except for loiter and seek.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:45 pm

    Quite a way to get attention lol! lol!

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/09/poroshenko-russia-is-destabilizing.html

    The Video (in Russian ?) https://youtu.be/11JKyRF7ILw

    Peter Poroshenko today talked to journalists, well how did he talk - there were three bodies nodding their heads, asking questions, to which Poroshenko already had written down the answers. But it didn't smell of journalism, perhaps of alcohol, because Poroshenko said "Russia is destabilizing the situation in the Islamic state".

    Poroshenko: "Nothing will work out. Everyone knows well the role of Russia as a destabilizing factor in the Islamic State, Syria, Ukraine and other places."

    That person called a journalist, instead of drinking water, should have asked: "Where, where is it destabilizing the situation?"

    Poroshenko:

    "In the Islamic state"

    "In the Islamic state"

    No more drinks for him.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:10 pm

    Project Canada wrote:msm still cant get enough of Kalibr missiles landing on Iran propaganda, now Ash Carter confirms US has indications missiles landing on Iranian soil Rolling Eyes

    The burden of proof is on them then. Judging by the comments sections of various media's (even Iran's), they don't believe a word of it. Till proof is provided, we can all comment on how it is absolute pure butthurt the US are. This doesn't come as a surprise as they are probably trying (real hard) to hide away the hospital strike in Afghanistan by saying "Oh look, Russia lost 4 cruise missiles in Iran!" without providing a point of evidence. US has already blocked all attempts at an investigation on the hospital strike, so they are going to do what they can to hide it from the public.
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    Post  zg18 Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:11 pm



    Su-34 operations near Raqqa and Aleppo
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:40 pm


    Interesting interpretation of events:

    Putin’s Blitz Leaves Washington Rankled and Confused

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/01/putins-blitz-leaves-washington-rankled-and-confused/


    On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a blistering critique of US foreign policy to the UN General Assembly.

    On Tuesday, Barack Obama shoved a knife in Putin’s back. This is from Reuters:

    “France will discuss with its partners in the coming days a proposal by Turkey and members of the Syrian opposition for a no-fly zone in northern Syria, French President Francois Hollande said on Monday…

    French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius “in the coming days will look at what the demarcation would be, how this zone could be secured and what our partners think,” Hollande told reporters on the sidelines of the annual United Nations General Assembly…

    Hollande said such a proposal could eventually be rubber-stamped with a U.N. Security Council resolution that “would give international legitimacy to what’s happening in this zone.”…(France, partners to discuss northern Syria ‘safe zone’: Hollande, Reuters)

    Hollande is a liar and a puppet. He knows the Security Council will never approve a no-fly zone. Russia and China have already said so. And they’ve explained why they are opposed to it, too. It’s because they don’t want another failed state on their hands like Libya, which is what happened last time the US and NATO imposed a no-fly zone.

    But that’s beside the point. The real reason the no-fly zone issue has resurfaced is because it was one of the concessions Obama made to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for the use of Incirlik airbase. Washington has kept the terms of that deal secret, but Hollande has let the cat out of the bag.

    So who put sock-puppet Hollande up to this no-fly zone nonsense?

    Why the Obama administration, of course. Does anyone seriously believe that Hollande is conducting his own independent policy in Syria? Of course not. Hollande is just doing what he’s been told to do, just like he did when he was told to scotch the Mistral deal that cost France a whopping $1.2 billion. Washington and NATO didn’t like the idea that France was selling state-of-the-art helicopter carriers to arch-rival Putin, so they ordered Hollande to put the kibosh on the deal. Which he did, because that’s what puppets do; they obey their masters. Now he’s providing cover for Obama so the real details of the Incirlik agreement remain off the public’s radar. That’s why we say, Obama shoved a knife in Putin’s back, because, ultimately, the no-fly zone damages Russia’s interests in Syria.

    The significance of the Reuters article cannot be overstated. It suggests that there was a quid pro quo for the use of Incirlik, and that Turkey’s demands were accepted. Why is that important?

    Because Turkey had three demands:

    1–Safe zones in north Syria (which means that Turkey would basically annex a good portion of Syrian sovereign territory.)
    2–A no-fly zone (which would allow either Turkish troops, US Special Forces or US-backed jihadi militants to conduct their military operations with the support of US air cover.)
    3–A commitment from the US that it will help Turkey remove Assad.

    Did Obama agree to all three of these demands before Erdogan agreed to let the USAF use Incirlik?

    Yes, at least I think he did, which is why I think we are at the beginning of Phase 2 of the US aggression against Syria. Incirlik changes everything. US bombers, drones and fighters can enter Syrian airspace in just 15 minutes instead of 3 to 4 hours from Bahrain. That means more sorties, more surveillance drones, and more air-cover for US-backed militias and Special Forces on the ground. It means the US can impose a de facto no-fly zone over most of Syria that will expose and weaken Syrian forces tipping the odds decisively in favor of Obama’s jihadi army. Incirlik is a game-changer, the cornerstone of US policy in Syria. With access to Incirlik, victory is within Washington’s reach. That’s how important Incirlik is.

    And that’s why the normally-cautious Putin decided to deploy his warplanes, troops and weaponry so soon after the Incirlik deal was signed. He could see the handwriting on the wall. He knew he had to either act fast and turn the tide or accept the fact that the US and Turkey were going to topple Assad sometime after Turkey’s snap elections on November 1. That was his timeline for action. So he did the right thing and joined the fighting.

    But what does Putin do now?

    On Wednesday, just two days after Putin announced to the UN General Assembly: “We can no longer tolerate the current state of affairs in the world,” Putin ordered the bombing of targets in Homs, an ISIS stronghold in West Syria. The attacks, which were unanimously approved by the Russian parliament earlier in the day, and which are entirely legal under international law (Putin was invited by Syria’s sitting president, Assad, to carry out the airstrikes), have put US policy in a tailspin. While the Russian military is maintaining an open channel to the Pentagon and reporting when-and-where it is carrying out its airstrikes, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said that the US plans to “continue to fly missions over Iraq and Syria” increasing the possibility of an unintended clash that could lead to a confrontation between the US and Russia.

    Is that what Washington wants, a violent incident that pits one nuclear-armed adversary against the other?

    Let’s consider one probable scenario: Let’s say an F-16 is shot down over Syria while providing air cover for Obama’s militants on the ground. Now that Russia is conducting air raids over Syria, there’s a good chance that Putin would be blamed for the incident like he was when the Malaysian airliner was downed over East Ukraine.

    So what happens next?

    Judging by similar incidents in the past, the media would swing into full-propaganda mode exhorting the administration to launch retaliatory attacks on Russian military sites while calling for a broader US-NATO mobilization. That, in turn, would force Putin to either fight back and up-the-ante or back-down and face disgrace. Either way, Putin loses and the US gets one step closer to its objective of toppling Bashar al Assad.

    Putin knows all this. He understands the risks of military involvement which is why he has only reluctantly committed to the present campaign. That said; we should expect him to act in much the same way as he did when Georgian troops invaded South Ossetia in 2007. Putin immediately deployed the tanks to push the invading troops back over the border into Georgia and then quickly ended the hostilities. He was lambasted by critics on the right for not invading Georgia and removing their leader, Mikheil Saakashvili, in the Capital. But as it turned out, Putin’s restraint spared Russia the unnecessary hardship of occupation which can drain resources and erode public support. Putin was right and his critics were wrong.

    Will his actions in Syria mirror those in South Ossetia?

    It’s hard to say, but it’s clear that the Obama crew is thunderstruck by the speed of the intervention. Check this out from the UK Guardian: “Back at the White House, spokesperson Josh Earnest suggests that Vladimir Putin did not give Barack Obama warning about his intentions to begin air strikes in Syria.

    “We have long said we would welcome constructive Russian coordination,” Earnest says, before qualifying that the talks between US and Russian militaries will be purely tactical: “to ensure that our military activities and the military activities of coalition partners would be safely conducted.” (The Guardian)

    What does Earnest’s statement mean? It means the entire US political class was caught off-guard by Putin’s blitz and has not yet settled on an appropriate response. They know that Putin is undoing years of work by rolling up proxy-units that were supposed to achieve US objectives, but there is no agreement among ruling elites about what should be done. And making a decision of that magnitude could take time, which means that Putin should be able to obliterate a fair number of the terrorist hideouts and restore control of large parts of the country to Assad before the US ever agrees to a strategy. In fact, if he moves fast, he might even be able to force the US and their Gulf allies to the bargaining table where a political solution could be reached.

    It’s a long-shot, but it’s a much better option then waiting around for the US to impose a no-fly zone that would collapse the central government and reduce Syria to Libya-type anarchy. There’s no future in that at all.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:42 pm


    Off-topic??? lol1 Razz

    "Greece Scrambles Jets After Turkish F16s Violate Airspace"

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151009/1028274796/greece-turkey-warplanes.html#ixzz3o58k8Skh
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:59 pm


    Troop rotation, KIL-158 with Marines on board going back.

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    Now we know what uniforms guys over there use...
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    Post  Solncepek Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:19 pm

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    Post  zorobabel Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:35 pm

    Russian advisors, Al-Ghab Plain offensive:
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    Source: https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/652492707785478144
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    Post  medo Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:42 pm

    zg18 wrote:

    Su-34 operations near Raqqa and Aleppo

    It's nice to see targeting picture from Su-34.
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    Post  jhelb Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:51 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:My appraisal of the range of Kh-90 is much larger that the value you suggested. It's also an scramjet-powered system. My assessment is that if it got cancelled, that would be due to the fact that Russia has much more advanced systems in service, which is a given in itself.

    Thanks for clearing the mist Morpheus. My vote.

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:What we see does not define the extent of what exists. I have written a lot, on this forum, on this principle.

    Can you plz let me know in which thread you have written this I will find it out.

    Also, I am waiting for your post on munition failures since the US & NATO believes such things can never happen to their munition.


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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:51 pm

    My little take on the cruise missile strike: http://rusnews.net63.net/2015/10/09/mighty-strikes-from-russia-cruise-missiles-from-caspian-sea-and-us-claims-of-4-fallling-in-iran/

    Please provide any detail if I made any mistakes.
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:34 pm

    Solncepek wrote:Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2 - Page 32 CQ4h_vWUwAAZFIA
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2 - Page 32 HlXmj
    Interesting. There is video on youtube of the Iraqi TOS-1A being used against ISIL at Baiji not long ago so it is unlikely to be those moved to Syria. But the trees don't look like they should be in Iraq were the fighting is, which is desert, but trees like that are in Syria....
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    Post  Solncepek Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:37 pm

    In Syria, there were heavy flamethrower system "sun"

    For the militants in Syria gets tough. Not only that, their positions on the Russian aircraft works, so now the front deployed heavy flamethrower system "sun." At least, this show photos that appeared on the Internet. They trailer with a tractor, "Volvo" throws TOC. Fighting vehicle painted in characteristic of the Syrian army camouflage.

    That is not Iraq or some other country, where previously supplied "sun", can be judged based on: the machine is made on the chassis of the T-72 and T-90 did not. It is "the nineties" were the basis for the setting for Iraq, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. Most of all, reflected in the photograph Syrian heavy flamethrower before was in the Russian army.

    Specifications:

    Weight, t. 44.3

    Crew. 3

    Top speed km / h 60

    Cruising, km. 500

    WEAPONS

    The launcher multi-lateral

    The number of guide tubes, pc. 24

    Range of fire, m .:

    - Minimum 400

    - Maximum 6000

    Time of full volley seconds. 6

    Type of ammunition Nursi.

    Heavy flamethrower system previously been successfully used during the fighting in Afghanistan, the Russian North Caucasus, as well as Iraq.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:29 pm

    Wallahi Bilahi Russian are nuts. Bbq Tow teams plus.
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    Post  Monarchist Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:52 pm



    Just look at those inbred wahabi faces. Shocked And these are the "moderates"... Rolling Eyes

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