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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Breakfast: Potatoes
    Lunch: Mashed Potatoes, Potato soup
    Dinner: More Potatoes

    Breakfest: каша with bread and pickels and chai or potatoes with kasha.
    Lunch: Soup, And meat based foods
    Dinner: каша with bread or soup. But this was just during our training course, Food got better over time and after training.

    Then over the years it became a tiny bit better tasting. I remember we had Шашлык on a bonfire a few times, Was great for our morale. But when we were training food was bland and we got big portions of food since our physical training was very intense, When I left the army I didn't eat potatoes or kasha for months Very Happy  Speaking on troop morale, tasty food does help a soldier fight I do believe in this. I like our Military Rations more then the other ones our unit got our hands on. French one was big and it was full of sweets stuff my teeth got 30 cavities from it, I tried a Ukrainian Ration and the first thing that popped into my sight was "KASHA" But our Russian ration was great we even have our own Chocolate "АРМЕЙСКА ШОКОЛАД " Laughing  foods are only getting better in our army. I have a friend hes in a motor rifles company, Its kind of like a buffet now, They watch you pick what you want in portions allowed by army standards.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  max steel on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:14 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Viktor Orbán strikes again... Cool

    Hungary Urges US-Led Coalition to Cooperate With Russia in Anti-ISIL Fight

    Hungary is one of the russophobic bastion. Why suddenly Orban making sense ? Russophobia was an official Hungarian religion.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:15 pm

    max steel wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Viktor Orbán strikes again... Cool

    Hungary Urges US-Led Coalition to Cooperate With Russia in Anti-ISIL Fight

    Hungary is one of the russophobic bastion. Why suddenly Orban making sense ? Russophobia was an official Hungarian religion.

    You would be suprised by amount of hate for Russia on many Balcan countries, tho majority of Republic of Serbs and Serbia are pro Russian, inflow of Western money "helped" change of mind for some people there too.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Regular on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:16 pm

    max steel wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Viktor Orbán strikes again... Cool

    Hungary Urges US-Led Coalition to Cooperate With Russia in Anti-ISIL Fight

    Hungary is one of the russophobic bastion. Why suddenly Orban making sense ? Russophobia was an official Hungarian religion.
    They have bad blood with Russians, but look at their last actions towards Russia. Hungary was even sanctioned by US because of close ties. I know plenty of pro Russ hungarians
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Erk on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:18 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:There's a very simple way for the Russian MOD to undermine claims about air strikes against "moderates" trained by the USA. Simply tell them that there's enough evidence about these "moderates" cooperating with ISIS and it's not their fault when Russian bombs hit ISIS targets and kills these so-called moderates along with them.

    It's even simpler just to stamp those rebels as "ISIS" and they terrorizing legitimate government.

    There is no country called ISIS from which the terrorists came, they are extremists Sunnis mostly from Syria and Iraq who have had a name change for PR. Russia are bombing extremist Sunnis as requested.



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:29 pm

    max steel wrote:Hungary is one of the russophobic bastion. Why suddenly Orban making sense ? Russophobia was an official Hungarian religion.

    Hungary has changed a lot since early 90`s , fmr. liberals and westernists are now staunch supporters of sovereignty and nationalists while fmr. Communists are in bed with Brussels and EU neoliberalism.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:33 pm

    smerch24 wrote:Hey guys

    Its a question i always ask myself, why are RUaf so slow to replace the aging R-27s? I know they can come with very modern sensors, and the ER version have really long legs, but they are generations behind the latest medium ranged AAMs of NATO.

    No , they are not. First examples entered active service in 1987.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:35 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:There's a very simple way for the Russian MOD to undermine claims about air strikes against "moderates" trained by the USA. Simply tell them that there's enough evidence about these "moderates" cooperating with ISIS and it's not their fault when Russian bombs hit ISIS targets and kills these so-called moderates along with them.

    It's even simpler just to stamp those rebels as "ISIS" and they terrorizing legitimate government.

    There is no country called ISIS from which the terrorists came, they are extremists Sunnis mostly from Syria and Iraq who have had a name change for PR. Russia are bombing extremist Sunnis as requested.

    The majority of them are certainly not Syrians, but Sauds. The FSA was propagated by US as Syrians fighting against regime, fact is there are barely any syrians among them and majority are foreigners paid by US to overthrow Syrian government.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:40 pm

    Regular wrote:It seems that those white helmet guys got their buts kicked. Bit of NSFW!

    Well maybe they shouldn't hang around terrorist infrastructure?


    Looks like 100% staged faked film..  Remember that the billionaire American-jewish George Soros finance the white helmets.. the same bastard supporting the nazis in Ukraine ,asking for giving lethal weapons to them..and who hates Russia.. and he is behind many of the protest
    in middle east.. including Syria.

    Those satanic billionaires knows wells how to manipulate public opinion of people that judge
    things by looks.. if have a white helmet and look like humanitarian workers ,then they need to be good people right? not at all. .this are the same terrorist who behead civilians when cameras turned off.. It clearly seems that their mission is to create tons of fake videos that "shows Russia is targeting civilians" or "humanitarian workers..  Looks 100% fake.. for the fact that from all the place ,they only filmed the "white helmet" "humanitarian worker".  Somewhere a picture was posted of one of the white helmets with an Ak-47 ,witnessing the execution of a civilian by Alqaeda and they not even stop it.  You have been tricked folk.  Wink

    They are good actors ,at least did not screamed like crazy ,as they always do..so credit they deserve.. but is 100% fake..

    perhaps let me show you this.. what American NGOs have been doing in Syria since 2011..
    To demonize Assad..



    That is an unedited video of a staged massacred.. (just like the chemical weapon attack)
    that was going to be used to blame Assad for war crimes. The entire Syrian conflict is 100% a lie.. There was never peaceful protest.. what happened there is US CIA NGOS paid protest of up to a hundred thousand of people.. for $20 dollars anyone will not mind a 15 minute protest. for camera propaganda.. to demand Assad to step down..  and the same US CIA hired a second group of criminals snipers to fire on them.. on both sides.. police and protesters.. So effectively the CIA used the protest in Syria they financed as a trojan horse for Alqaeda to attack Syrian police.

    In the very first day of the protest.. they burned a Government building.  and many cars.. just like Euromaidan did.. and they were forced to activate the army when police was being systematically killed by the "peaceful protesters" . According to Syrian Journalist the first time,first day the Army enters a city when the violence began and police and civilian killed  ,there was proffessional snipers firing at Syrian Army from 1,000 meters away with deadly precision .. Proof of proffessional training.. and some of them were caught..  
    Turned to be CIA/Mossad snipers firing from top of buildings. using sniper rifles that only NATO use.



    The whole Syrian civil war is a monumental lie. . Simply the west used thousands of criminals
    to fire on civilians and made it look that Assad was killing people.  This is similar to the civil war in Venezuela.. in 2002 ,where the White House organize a peaceful protest.. against Chavez..
    of 100,000 people.. and asked them to travel towards the Presidential House.. Obviously Police could not allow them to get to close for security reasons..and in certain point of the road.. there was CIA snipers firing on people from behind police.. to make it look Chavez police was attackign civilians.. and this provoked major outrage nation wide after 10 people killed.. and many in the General Command of Venezuela army fall in the trap. Believe that Chavez police order to shoot at civilians and demand chavez to resign.  So effectively Syrian civil war is a total fraud.. There is people that oppose Assad for real in syria.. but is a 10% minority of radical sunis.. and not for any democracy or freedom.. but instead for the opposite..because too much freedoms..and they consider christianity a sin. They are non seculars and wanted to create a Islamic Caliphate like Saudi Arabia.. in Syria.. where womens have no rights.. and can be stoned to death.. Assad is being attacked by Muslin simply because for being too reformist and for being secular.. and they consider that a SIN against islam.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  medo on Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:07 pm

    We still don't know, which UAV it is. Maybe it is Orlan-30, which is bigger than Orlan-10 and have longer range and longer endurance in the air. I think they also use Kamaz truck.

    But this RuAF operation bring to my mind something else. We know, that Russian UAVs are small and they don't have target designating capabilities, but they are able to provide coordinates of the targets as they are meant to work with artillery. Also those drones fly high and provide good thermal/IIR picture at night. Considering how small thermal imager those UAVS have, I think Russians were able to build a little bigger and more capable thermal imagers in TV/laser designator sights in Su-24M2 and Su-34. That they could operate at night. I remember, that in Chechen war Su-24 need illuminating bombs to illuminate battlefield to engage targets at night. Now they don't need them. Even Su-25SM could get such small thermal imager in the place of old gun camera over the Klen-PS laser designator, which is covered by a plate in Su-25SM. Other thing is data link network. All those planes, Su-25SM, Su-24M2 and Su-34 get real time target informations and coordinates from UAVs and they engage them in night time. Those planes are all modernized to use GPS/Glonass satellite navigation with their fire control computer to ensure precise hits with free fall bombs and rockets. But considering, that pilots get their target informations in the air, they most probably get them through data link, which automatically put those target coordinates into fire control computer to engage them with help of satellite navigation, what could explain Su-25SM precise night attacks with dumb bombs. But to avoid hitting civilians or wrong target in this instrumental bombing, it is good, if pilot himself see a target, so I assume all those planes have night vision devices build inside their fire control complexes, even if just such small ones like in UAVs.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:20 pm

    max steel wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Viktor Orbán strikes again... Cool

    Hungary Urges US-Led Coalition to Cooperate With Russia in Anti-ISIL Fight

    Hungary is one of the russophobic bastion. Why suddenly Orban making sense ? Russophobia was an official Hungarian religion.

    One thing about Hungarians-they do not say one thing and think something else. If they hate you they will let you know. I deeply respect that quality.

    Although, yes, list of people Hungarians hate is a lengthy one indeed... lol1

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:06 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:There's a very simple way for the Russian MOD to undermine claims about air strikes against "moderates" trained by the USA. Simply tell them that there's enough evidence about these "moderates" cooperating with ISIS and it's not their fault when Russian bombs hit ISIS targets and kills these so-called moderates along with them.

    It's even simpler just to stamp those rebels as "ISIS" and they terrorizing legitimate government.

    There is no country called ISIS from which the terrorists came, they are extremists Sunnis mostly from Syria and Iraq who have had a name change for PR. Russia are bombing extremist Sunnis as requested.

    The majority of them are certainly not Syrians, but Sauds. The FSA was propagated by US as Syrians fighting against regime, fact is there are barely any syrians among them and majority are foreigners paid by US to overthrow Syrian government.

    The entire leadership of isis is former iraqi officers. Every single one. The caliph is a figurehead chosen by the council and can be from any country or job... But the real power lies with s group of 200 or so iraqi officers who manage and control everything. All foreigners (including Syrians and Saudis) are lower ranking members of the group. The highest ranking non Iraqis are Jordanians AFAIK.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  max steel on Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:18 am

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/10/russia-economy-war-syria-151003113105759.html


    Aljazeera : How Russia is financing its Syrian game .
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:19 am

    With modern digital electronics the R-27 should be a very capable and long ranged missile.... it is also very modular and allows a range of options that western missiles simply don't offer.

    There are dozens of R-27 options... from passive radar homing, to SARH, to ARH, to IR guided. Then there are dedicated models for older aircraft (MiG-23, MiG-21), and dedicated models for use over water (Su-33 and MiG-29K).

    Now double that number because you have the choice of two rocket motor options... R-27 and R-27E.

    The R-27ER should have a speed and range advantage over current western AAMs... so even with SARH guidance they will hit first.


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    Post  Erk on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:06 am

    max steel wrote:http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/10/russia-economy-war-syria-151003113105759.html


    Aljazeera : How Russia is financing its Syrian game .
    It's a propaganda piece, Aljazeera is owned by US vassal and gas competitor Qatar, who have been funding the war against Assad from day one.

    Two things that come to mind from the story. Firstly how can they know about a "secret fund" if it's secret? Why would Russia need foreign borrowings for a war? Russia makes it's own weapons and supplies for the military, they don't need foreign funds for that. The reference to Afghanistan is propaganda, today's Russia is not the USSR, the air force is efficient, and Syria is not uncontrollable mountainous terrain like Afghanistan.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Siempre_Leal on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:16 am

    Looks like an Pantsir-S1 in Bassel Al-Assad Airbase

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    Post  zg18 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:20 am

    Erk wrote:
    max steel wrote:http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/10/russia-economy-war-syria-151003113105759.html


    Aljazeera : How Russia is financing its Syrian game .
    It's a propaganda piece, Aljazeera is owned by US vassal and gas competitor Qatar, who have been funding the war against Assad from day one.

    Two things that come to mind from the story. Firstly how can they know about a "secret fund" if it's secret? Why would Russia need foreign borrowings for a war? Russia makes it's own weapons and supplies for the military, they don't need foreign funds for that. The reference to Afghanistan is propaganda, today's Russia is not the USSR, the air force is efficient, and Syria is not uncontrollable mountainous terrain like Afghanistan.

    To be exact , mountainous coast land of Syria (aka Nusayri mountains - Alawistan) is key stronghold of Syrian government and where Russian base is located. It`s essentially natural made bunker with secure access to open sea in flat terrain of ME.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:26 am

    Siempre_Leal wrote:Looks like an Pantsir-S1 in Bassel Al-Assad Airbase


    Definately a Pantsir.....Was about to post that Very Happy

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Erk on Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:41 am

    zg18 wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    max steel wrote:http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/10/russia-economy-war-syria-151003113105759.html


    Aljazeera : How Russia is financing its Syrian game .
    It's a propaganda piece, Aljazeera is owned by US vassal and gas competitor Qatar, who have been funding the war against Assad from day one.

    Two things that come to mind from the story. Firstly how can they know about a "secret fund" if it's secret? Why would Russia need foreign borrowings for a war? Russia makes it's own weapons and supplies for the military, they don't need foreign funds for that. The reference to Afghanistan is propaganda, today's Russia is not the USSR, the air force is efficient, and Syria is not uncontrollable mountainous terrain like Afghanistan.

    To be exact , mountainous coast land of Syria (aka Nusayri mountains - Alawistan) is key stronghold of Syrian government and where Russian base is located. It`s essentially natural made bunker with secure access to open sea in flat terrain of ME.
    Syria has lots of mountains, but if you look at a topological map of Afghanistan, you will see how vastly more mountainous it is as a battle ground.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Zivo on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:33 am

    Laughing

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    Post  x_54_u43 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:48 am

    Good picture Zivo, I have several others like it.





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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:06 am



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:19 am


    @x_54_u43

    Awesome!

    I knew that jaw looked familiar! lol1 russia




    Also:



    They are literally in the middle of an air campaign, what the heck are they building that can't wait couple of months?

    Knowing Russians, it is probably olympic sized swimming pool... lol1
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:35 am


    ''Syrian Militants Surrender in Droves to Daraa Governorate''

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151003/1027981596.html

    Twisted Evil

    ''Game Over: ISIL Short on Cash, Russian Planes Back Them Into Corner''

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151003/1027966788/isil-on-verge-of-collapse-under-russian-airstrikes-and-economic-problems.html


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    Post  x_54_u43 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:37 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    They are literally in the middle of an air campaign, what the heck are they building that can't wait couple of months?

    Knowing Russians, it is probably olympic sized swimming pool... lol1

    They might be repaving or repairing any tarmac possibly damaged by the jet exhaust.

    But we'll go with swimming pool for now Laughing

    Nice Pantsir pic btw.

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