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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:06 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:The guy's hat, it fits perfectly! Cool

    Yeah lol, i have seen people commenting about it on twitter Very Happy
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:22 am

    Apparently a major offensive in Northern Hama going.. combined forces
    of Syria ,Hezbolah soldiers ,Iranian special forces and Russia airforce managed
    to capture 70 square kilometres of territory in Northern Hama countryside and capture Latmin along with 2 other towns.

    the terrorist are armed with lots of American TOW missiles..

    Pentagon Angry that Russia is hitting their "freedom fighters" just imagine that..
    US violate UN international laws and support terrorist to destroy a legitimate country
    that is an ally of Russia , and Russia fight the terrorist and they cry foul. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:54 am


    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a9_1442610163

    Apologies if posted before.

    Video is titled that its the first video of russian soldiers fighting alongside syrians, i dont believe it but there is a russian voice right at the end of the video who says 'excellent shot'.

    The voice sounds slightly familiar, is it the guy from anna news by any chance?
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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:03 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a9_1442610163

    Apologies if posted before.

    Video is titled that its the first video of russian soldiers fighting alongside syrians, i dont believe it but there is a russian voice right at the end of the video who says 'excellent shot'.

    The voice sounds slightly familiar, is it the guy from anna news by any chance?

    That video is around for quite some time, few weeks actually.
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    Post  iraqidabab on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:04 am

    PENTAGON— Neither Russia nor Iraq warned the United States that cruise missiles had entered Iraqi airspace en route to Syria, a U.S. official told VOA.

    Very good choice not to notify them, they need to know it's not their region, not their ownership.
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:19 am

    iraqidabab wrote:PENTAGON— Neither Russia nor Iraq warned the United States that cruise missiles had entered Iraqi airspace en route to Syria, a U.S. official told VOA.

    Very good choice not to notify them, they need to know it's not their region, not their ownership.

    Thats good news, it shows russia and iraq are working closely together on this, to the extent that they are keeping secrets from the americans. Very good to hear. Its another small but symbolic nail in the coffin of the old unipolar world.

    People like brEzinski and mccain must be crying themselves to sleep right now.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:35 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:PENTAGON— Neither Russia nor Iraq warned the United States that cruise missiles had entered Iraqi airspace en route to Syria, a U.S. official told VOA.

    Very good choice not to notify them, they need to know it's not their region, not their ownership.

    Thats good news, it shows russia and iraq are working closely together on this, to the extent that they are keeping secrets from the americans. Very good to hear.

    People like brEzinski and mccain must be crying themselves to sleep right now.

    Yup, to hell with that unpronounceable asshat... Razz

    So 26 cruise missiles out of the blue? I hope someone was taking pics in US HQ, you know, for posterity. lol1
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    Post  alexZam on Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:05 am

    Russian guys in Tartus, Syria. Cool

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:46 am


    According to Ukrainian TV, Turkey is the main target of big ebil Rasha.... Razz lol1

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    Post  Book. on Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:23 am

    Here US media panic. radar do no detect silent cruise missile!
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:25 am

    Book. wrote:Here US media panic. radar do no detect silent cruise missile!

    The bear never asks permission.... russia
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    Post  auslander on Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:43 am

    Just wandered through the latest in US media, roughly 20:00 east coast time. Looks like the odds and ends arriving from the Caspian has kicked up a hornet's nest, that plus the usual 'the Russians are coming' foolishness and there are indications of a little worry in Foggy Bottom and Pentagon what with the accuracy of the missiles and the little regarded source of same. It is an amazement to me to read some erudite reports from sources about the level of expertise shown in Russian Armed Forces. Surely the west had to have known the vast improvements Russia has made in the last decade concerning all aspects of said armed forces and yet here they are, pontificating and worrying about the 'new' threat from 'the east'.

    I agree with some posters, it almost looks like the dawn of a new age in international politics and relations. Time will tell but perhaps if it is indeed a new dawn we may have some peace in the world in the not too distant future. However, make no mistake, a wounded and possibly cornered animal is the most dangerous there is. While I think the majority of world leaders are peace minded many have advisors who are decidedly not so and I can think of a couple who would rather bring the entire world down in a Gotterdammerung rather than see their rank, privileges and authority questioned or hampered in the least. I will take the old phrase 'it is the best of times and the worst of times' and change it slightly to 'it is the most hopeful of times and the most dangerous of times'.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:08 am

    A while back when discussing the new corvettes the Russians designed there were several who questioned why they would carry long range cruise missiles and long range SAMs... like I said then... the point of universal launchers is to have one launcher type in the fleet that is standard and can use the existing and new weapons.

    Coz i did not understand how did they launch 26 while having only 24 tubes available there.

    With the UKSK launcher each vessel would have 8 missiles to fire so 26 missiles launched from 4 vessels means 32 weapons to start with leaving potentially up to 6 missiles not fired.

    With 11 targets however 26 missiles would be plenty with multiple hits on each target.

    Whether Russia launched its missiles from the Caspian sea over Iranian and Iraqi territory into Syria or from the Syrian coast at targets in syria I doubt there would be much an AEGIS class cruiser could do largely due to the fact that these missiles would not need to over fly the cruiser and therefore would be a rather difficult target.

    I will take the old phrase 'it is the best of times and the worst of times' and change it slightly to 'it is the most hopeful of times and the most dangerous of times'.

    The funniest thing will be when NATO starts to realise that despite only being able to make Corvettes and the odd frigate that that would make the new Russian navy more potent than the old Soviet Navy ever was as it could only hit ships and subs and could not attack land targets at all.

    Four Corvettes with 20 supersonic anti ship missiles with 12 launch tubes free for anti sub or land attack missiles makes them comparable to a Kirov class vessel in terms of offensive fire power... except no Kirov had missile based land attack capability...

    Of course two frigates or one destroyer with 2 or 4 UKSK launchers each could manage the same...

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    Post  auslander on Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:32 am

    GarryB wrote:A while back when discussing the new corvettes the Russians designed there were several who questioned why they would carry long range cruise missiles and long range SAMs... like I said then... the point of universal launchers is to have one launcher type in the fleet that is standard and can use the existing and new weapons.

    Coz i did not understand how did they launch 26 while having only 24 tubes available there.

    With the UKSK launcher each vessel would have 8 missiles to fire so 26 missiles launched from 4 vessels means 32 weapons to start with leaving potentially up to 6 missiles not fired.

    With 11 targets however 26 missiles would be plenty with multiple hits on each target.

    Whether Russia launched its missiles from the Caspian sea over Iranian and Iraqi territory into Syria or from the Syrian coast at targets in syria I doubt there would be much an AEGIS class cruiser could do largely due to the fact that these missiles would not need to over fly the cruiser and therefore would be a rather difficult target.

    I will take the old phrase 'it is the best of times and the worst of times' and change it slightly to 'it is the most hopeful of times and the most dangerous of times'.

    The funniest thing will be when NATO starts to realise that despite only being able to make Corvettes and the odd frigate that that would make the new Russian navy more potent than the old Soviet Navy ever was as it could only hit ships and subs and could not attack land targets at all.

    Four Corvettes with 20 supersonic anti ship missiles with 12 launch tubes free for anti sub or land attack missiles makes them comparable to a Kirov class vessel in terms of offensive fire power... except no Kirov had missile based land attack capability...

    Of course two frigates or one destroyer with 2 or 4 UKSK launchers each could manage the same...


    I agree, nothing like a massive mailed fist of diplomacy delivered by the small 'wrist' of a corvette or frigate from a little corner of nowhere and hitting with pinpoint accuracy. That, my friend, has sent a very clear message and wakeup call to certain powers. Everyone was watching the Med and the west coast of Syria with the Flot offshore and suddenly from the back door comes a devastating missile attack. Typical VVP/Shoigu thinking, dangling the shiny bauble of an aging but still very dangerous fleet in the Med from the right hand while the left hand suddenly forms a fist and strikes using what was generally written off as a small and not dangerous river patrol unit.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:59 am

    Russian Hybrid Warfare at work:

    "But Russia exhibits a qualitatively better strength than the amount based on the armed forces of the Soviet Union. They have a different doctrine," - said Admiral William Gortney.

    NORAD: Russian cruise missiles - a great challenge for the United States
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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:59 am

    WOW!
    26 missiles flew over northern Iran... over my head   Shocked
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:01 am

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:WOW!
    26 missiles flew over northern Iran... over my head   Shocked

    Lucky you that saw such cool spectacle..  Smile
    and im sure Russia have many securities in place in case the missiles ,get lost .
    it should not be rocket science to configure the missile to auto destroy itself and do it without
    an exploding. So it cause no harm to anyone..

    In more news..

    US republicans radicals promoting a world war with Russia "to enforce a safe zone". lol1



    Either i don't know if he is just bluffing and playing a psicological games ,to scare Russia..
    Or if he is indeed a real idiot?   My believe is that he is just bluffing ... and the fact that they don't want Russia to bomb their cannibal jihadist there is because they see Russia actions are really game changing there and threatening the defeat of their sponsored terrorist.

    What is interesting about his comments is the fact that not even the crazy McAIN supported
    a war with Russia.. what McAIN promoted was arming the so called Rebels with advanced Air defenses to shoot down Russian planes. But this little guy ,probably high on heroine wants to start world war 3.. Because Russia will not stay iddle doing nothing if Americans attack their planes.



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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:14 am

    You got Neocons of various types all wanting something.  One wants war with Russia, another wants a more pragmatic approach with Russia, etc etc etc.  You may be able to find such people within Russia too, whom want a more confrontation approach with US.

    These people are just clowns and a good "media hype".  Nothing more.  Both sides knows how stupid it is to get confrontational, and US wont risk it in Syria, at least I hope, as Syria is nothing compared to the total damage that could be caused by a Russian response.

    How long have we heard US go on to praise the idea of bombing Iran? And Iran isn't quite at Russia's position yet. And even then, US has been reluctant on that as well cause they know Iran has a very good means of not only countering but retaliation strikes as well.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:48 am

    Another interesting report.. look at this former ambassador to NATO, promoting a no fly
    zone against Russia.. by NATO.. because he believe they have enough experience doing that and can do it for Russia..  Laughing   If they try to attack a Russian plane.. any patriot defenses  use or
    NATO military base to attack Russia will be leveled to the ground.. Cool



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d6QKJ45fLQ

    What is interesting is not what he told.. or how polite presented his ideas to promote
    world war 3 with Russia.. oh no problem.. no fly zone for Russia in Syria..   he have
    experience in that.. Laughing

    what is interesting is the comments of people in the youtube comments sections lol1
    Is overwhelming in support of Russia . The video have  8: likes  and 160 dislikes..  lol1


    jasio kowalski 2 days ago
    Haha, the USA is forced to admit that they are supporting terrorists Check mate. Well played, Putin

    Theautoguy 2 days ago
    I just wish putin would let us now what evedince he has  about 9/11 witch he recently threaten Obama with but it's probably going to be his last wining move if it is what I think it is the people will turn on the gov

    NickanM 2 days ago
    US response should be to STFU and leave the middle east asap.

    freddie stewart 2 days ago
    Terrorists are criminals ! Putin I hope you wipe them all out. Kill ISIS with no mercy. Please do not listen to my crazy Government. I think Vladimir Putin is doing the right thing eliminating the cancer called ISIS. Let the bodies hit the floor. ISIS may you burn in Hell!

    Zhou Sophie 1 day ago
    USA is a street ganster on the earth,  who definitely cannot adapt to a civilized world.

    Mohan Thomas 1 day ago
    The number of dislikes is proof that people are no longer buying to American lies and propaganda. He he.

    Ivan Göring 1 day ago (edited)
    Those moderate rebels are nearly as radical as ISIS! USA STOP LYING AND STOP BOMBING AND STOP SUPPORTING TERRORISM!!! YOU ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS!! THE WORLD HATES YOU

    Steve Savage 1 day ago
    +Ivan Göring The FSA joined Al-Qaeda in 2013

    Tarak al huseini 1 day ago
    zionist propaganda

    Jivko Rahnev 1 day ago
    Now the jihadi are NOT Terorists-  now they are "some groups which are friendly to USA"... how pathetic you are!

    Imago Mortis 8 hours ago
    I love how people are waking up now Smile love how the american/israeli agenda is being exposed for what it is! this gives me hope that we, the people can rise and overthrow the need of leadership, and start really exploring existence without the system breathing down our necks, telling us what to feel, what to think, what to do with our lives. It is all an illusion, its all a fake reality we are being spoonfeed through lies and deception. But people are are awakening, and its just in time too Smile





    Is clear by now folks , ladies and gentleman that Russia have the world public opinion on their
    favor..and putin all its needs is patience and not do anything that the west could use to score points with the western public opinion in their favor . Something like a new pearl harbor they will love it to pull it if they could and get all the americans in line demanding war against Assad
    to overthrow him.. which is exactly what US/Israel and its gulf coalition always wanted. since the conflict in 2011 began.

    So Russian Government should stand firm..and not use hostile language that western
    media could exploit to damage Russia world image.. Speak about American friends..and the hopes that its leaders will join Russia in the fight of all terrorism..and not just some of them.
    For example NATO could try to exploit the Turkey vs Russia thing.. and try to provoke a war between both ,in order for NATO to justify any more hostile actions against Russia like a no fly zone and shot down their planes.. under the pretext of "Defending NATO partner".  

    Playing with Public Opinion ,to win their support ,specially NATO countries public opinion..
    is the goal of Russian enemies now.. they need to find a way to demonize Russia..
    and Russia shooting down a turkey plane will help for a bit.. or invading its airspace too..
    So the probabilities of a false flag attack in TUrkey or Israel ,where Russia or Syrian Government will be blamed for it is very high..

    What all this means? That US and its allies ,seeking to destroy Syria by supporting Alqaeda
    can't do nothing now in Syria as long the world opinion is strongly against them.. any American
    killed or US warship sinked..trying to impose a no fly zone to Russia now for fighting their terrorist will end in a major revolution in US cities demanding Obama to step down.  Shocked  Cool

    So this means that they need a False Flag ,where a NATO ally is attacked and civilians killed
    done by Russia.. or another Mh-17 or another chemical attack incident blamed on Assad.
    This false flag is not limited to attack on turkey.. but also the Pentagon can sacrifice a warship
    or a plane and create an scenario where Russia will be forced to attack them.. like for example trying to fly over latakia with a cargo plane.. so is shut down..  So Russia will need now a lot of patience and smooth talking   To counter the propaganda of the west..that Russia hates them and is evil

    Already Putin did this before.. When US navy was going to bomb Syria , because of the
    chemical false flag attack..what Russia did? They told that they will not go into a war with
    their American friends.. Smile   not even for Syria.. but that they will continue supporting Syria
    to fight terrorism.. because they have the right to defend themselves. So effectively Putin
    made Russia immune to any Framing or any false flag attack blamed on them..   lol1

    This is why the Mh-17 also failed.. Russia never insulted Ukraine and even spoke about them
    like Brothers.. and that Russia wants prosperity for Ukraine..  Wink  So the only thing they
    could do was claim the Mh-17 was shut down by pro Russian rebels and that it was a mistake.   Cool

    So americans needs an Mh-17 like false flag or blow up a few of their own planes in the air..
    a totally staged event.. and later blame Russia Airforce for it.. a way to counter this could be
    posting online for world to see ,where Russian planes are at all times near the border of Turkey. and always be positive about collaboration with Americans. even if u do nothing ,the idea
    is keep public opinion in your favor in case anything bad happens between US and NATO ,then Russia will have the legal and moral support of the world and Obama and Erdogan or israel not.
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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:48 am

    GarryB wrote:A while back when discussing the new corvettes the Russians designed there were several who questioned why they would carry long range cruise missiles and long range SAMs... like I said then... the point of universal launchers is to have one launcher type in the fleet that is standard and can use the existing and new weapons.

    Coz i did not understand how did they launch 26 while having only 24 tubes available there.

    With the UKSK launcher each vessel would have 8 missiles to fire so 26 missiles launched from 4 vessels means 32 weapons to start with leaving potentially up to 6 missiles not fired.

    With 11 targets however 26 missiles would be plenty with multiple hits on each target.

    Whether Russia launched its missiles from the Caspian sea over Iranian and Iraqi territory into Syria or from the Syrian coast at targets in syria I doubt there would be much an AEGIS class cruiser could do largely due to the fact that these missiles would not need to over fly the cruiser and therefore would be a rather difficult target.

    I will take the old phrase 'it is the best of times and the worst of times' and change it slightly to 'it is the most hopeful of times and the most dangerous of times'.

    The funniest thing will be when NATO starts to realise that despite only being able to make Corvettes and the odd frigate that that would make the new Russian navy more potent than the old Soviet Navy ever was as it could only hit ships and subs and could not attack land targets at all.

    Four Corvettes with 20 supersonic anti ship missiles with 12 launch tubes free for anti sub or land attack missiles makes them comparable to a Kirov class vessel in terms of offensive fire power... except no Kirov had missile based land attack capability...

    Of course two frigates or one destroyer with 2 or 4 UKSK launchers each could manage the same...


    No, no i thought only Buyan Ms have Kalibrs, and there are 3 of them, 3x8 = 24. I did not know that Dagestan from Gepard class has them too i thought they are both carrying KH35s. That is why i said so. But seems one is carrying 35s and one Kalibrs, thats why i was having trouble understanding 26 launches.

    Anyways who would gess that "Koni" class "children" would be equiped with major range cruise missiles. And it was like yesterday when i was watching Yugoslavian Navy Koni class in harbor still being used...such a shame for those nice ships.
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    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:03 am

    NATO is locked out of caspian sea already.

    http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/russia-and-iran-lock-nato-out-of-caspian-sea/


    I think US is lying about those cruise missiles. Those were subsonic cruise missiles hitting land targets jist like tomahawk.How could usa satellites missed it ? Hogwash notjing else.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:18 am

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    Post  Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:25 am

    "As already explained in our article about the close encounter between a flight of U.S. F-16s and one of Russian Air Force Su-34s, which came within 20 miles each other over northwestern Syria, according to Lt. Gen. Charles Brown, commander of the American air campaign in Iraq and Syria, the Russians have come even closer than that to American drones flying in the same areas.

    Indeed, if you look at the screenshot published here you’ll easily find the track of some unmanned aerial vehicles (in green color) operating along the border between Turkey and Syria: until a real coordination is put into place between U.S. and Russia, there is some risk of jets and UAVs from both parties interfering with one another. So, it’s not really surprising what Fox News unveiled today: Russian jets deployed to Latakia, Syria, shadowed U.S. Predator drones on at least three separate occasions since the start of Russia’s air campaign last week. According to defense officials who talked to Fox News, the RuAF jets have (quite obviously) not attempted to shoot down the drones but flow “intercept tracks” to get closer to and shadow the unmanned aircraft.

    It would be nice to know whether the Russians briefly used their own radars (exposing valuable data about the way their antennas work to ESM platform operating in the same area) to spot the Predators or just got in visual contact with them and maneuvered to “intercept” the drones. Interestingly, Russian planes forced a U.S. combat plane to slightly modify its route for proper deconfliction: “it changed the flight path a little bit” U.S. Navy Captain Jeff Davis told reporters. The situation could get even worse in the following days, considered that the Russian contingent is going to receive three more Su-30SM, as announced by the Russia’s MoD on social media."

    Source: http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/07/russian-jets-intercepted-us-drones/

    “The first time it happened, we thought the Russians got lucky. Then it happened two more times."

    "It is easy to see a predator on radar," said one official."

    So which one is it? These two officials contradict eachother, what are Russians getting lucky at? Using radar?
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    Post  Regular on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:27 am

    Syrian army really sucks a lot. Got slaughtered attacking Naboudah. Russia needs to take command of those bitches, orchestrate every smallest movement. Amount of tanks they loose in one attack is bigger then Russian losses in whole chechen war.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:33 am

    I think US is lying about those cruise missiles. Those were subsonic cruise missiles hitting land targets jist like tomahawk.How could usa satellites missed it ? Hogwash notjing else.

    The IR signature of cruise missiles is tiny, so it is no real surprise they could fire 26 and no one noticed... that is why even subsonic cruise missile are dangerous.

    With even a simple ground based radar such an attack would be detected but ISIS does not have any radar and nor does the US in the region.

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