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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  zg18 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:38 am

    Syria from Su-25 cockpit

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Zivo on Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:48 am

    zg18 wrote:Syria from Su-25 cockpit


    Arma II flashbacks.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:11 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    @x_54_u43

    Awesome!

    I knew that jaw looked familiar! lol1 russia




    Also:



    They are literally in the middle of an air campaign, what the heck are they building that can't wait couple of months?

    Knowing Russians, it is probably olympic sized swimming pool... lol1

    Reports say they are increasing technical airstrip and more asphalt covered space for vehicles and storage area.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:31 am

    Sorry , but i have no good translator...

    It is a forum rule that you post in English... even if you don't translate the whole passage and just translate some bullet points and those interested can use their own translation system if they want would be fine.


    That i do not know, however judging by what pieces i see around seems they are always falling short of the actual airfield and hitting hills and fields.


    The launchers they appear to be using look like light civilian vehicles... I wonder if the launch tubes even have rifling to stabilise the rockets properly.

    Without jacks on the vehicles to stabilise them during launch I rather doubt they would get very good accuracy at all... at any range.

    I have one question. Could the Tupolev Tu-160 be used in this campaign? If no, explain.

    Could... yes. I doubt they would risk it however.

    Would be interesting if they sent an upgraded Tu-22M3M... 24 tons of satellite guided bombs would make a heck of a statement to a large enemy force on the move...

    Like cyberspec said, they provide base security. They patrol the area and cover the planes during take off and landing.

    By the look of the footage released the Russian aircraft are dropping bombs from altitude so enemy ground fire wont be an issue except on landing and take offs and enemy air power.

    Likely their legacy bombs from the Soviet period, near their expiration dates. Ironically enough it may actually be cheaper to drop the legacy bombs on the Wahabbi/Salafi vermin then to scrap and dispose of them safely.

    They don't need to be old... in fact old bombs can be more unstable and less safe.

    Likely the bomb may have hit at a bad angle and the nose mounted fuse was sheared off before it could detonate the bomb... or the fuse simply failed to do what it was designed to do.

    Why Dumb Bombs fail to blow ?

    Even very smart weapons can fail to explode.

    God knows I have sometimes been critical of Putin, but this is hypocricy on a gigantic scale. So It's OK for Turkey to bombs Kurds, and the Saudis and Gulf States to conduct a bloodbath in Yemen?

    Russia has permission from Syria... does Turkey have permission from Syria, does Saudi Arabia have Yemeni permission?

    Why do you object to Putin sending Russian bombers to Syria when the US and her allies have been bombing there for years?

    You mean NSFL i think NSFW is related to some other kinky stuff.

    NSFW is Not Safe For Work... ie something you might get fired for if you get caught watching when you are supposed to be working... is normally porn but includes violence.

    I don't know what NSFL means... likely not safe for "something".

    But to avoid hitting civilians or wrong target in this instrumental bombing, it is good, if pilot himself see a target, so I assume all those planes have night vision devices build inside their fire control complexes, even if just such small ones like in UAVs.

    The UAVs will find targets and loiter to assess the bomb damage and determine if the target needs to be hit again (ie bomb damage assessment), but the bombs being delivered are satellite guided and would not require the pilot to ever see the target... they would have target coordinates of the target fed into the guidance systems of the bomb either before takeoff or in flight and they would simply fly at medium altitude over the target area and the bomb guidance would do the rest.

    No need for thermal aiming systems on the aircraft.

    Looks like an Pantsir-S1 in Bassel Al-Assad Airbase

    That would be expected... Pantsir is an Air Force SAM and this is an Air Force operation.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Flyboy77 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:51 am

    zg18 wrote:Syria from Su-25 cockpit


    I'm pretty sure that's a either a Congolese or Sudanese Su-25. Look at the the colour of the wings in the mirrors.

    The HUB also gives it away as an older Su-25 not the Su-25SM we've seen in Syria.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Relapse on Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:19 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:Well, I have been looking into the drones being used by Russia in Syria, and I have come across something interesting.







    Exact same UI, same carrot marker, scale on the left... I think we found our little guy, and this little guy has apparently been used to film what I am guessing is either Patriot-2015 or Russian Arms Expo 2015.

    I am leaning towards the Zala 421-02 as a likely candidate, with over a 4 km ceiling and 6 hours of operating time. Or perhaps the Gorizont or Berkut.

    Forpost (IAI Searcher II).

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  x_54_u43 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:28 am

    Relapse wrote:
    Forpost (IAI Searcher II).

    Darn, I was hoping no one else would find out.

    Oh well, maybe Altius can start being relevant.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Zivo on Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:37 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Relapse wrote:
    Forpost (IAI Searcher II).

    Darn, I was hoping no one else would find out.

    Oh well, maybe Altius can start being relevant.

    Don't do that...

    If you know anything technical, please post it.

    Russia paid good money for these UAV's, I'm glad they're being put to good use.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  x_54_u43 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:47 am

    Zivo wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Relapse wrote:
    Forpost (IAI Searcher II).

    Darn, I was hoping no one else would find out.

    Oh well, maybe Altius can start being relevant.

    Don't do that...

    If you know anything technical, please post it.

    Russia paid good money for these UAV's, I'm glad they're being put to good use.

    I am about to get real technical, in my ground forces thread, about to do a "Schwabe" Special. Looking in depth on Russian thermal imagers and new technologies(30 images I have to upload).

    Its just that...we have been seeing all these nifty new things Russia has been coming up with, and now with the Russian military debut...we get Israeli drones.

    I just hope Altius shows up, or maybe we can get some shots of Pchela in operation. Anyway, lets not get all sad.

    We should be laughing at the idiots posting about "downed Russian jets". Just saw on liveleak how an idiot used an image of a burned Su-35 and that flipped Su-34 and portrayed them as damaged or downed Su-34s.

    Not only that, but the idiot dared to put the sentence "Their pilots must be brave or drunk to take such a piece of junk into combat".

    Here is the link if anyone wants a laugh: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d7e_1443898808
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Zivo on Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:01 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Relapse wrote:
    Forpost (IAI Searcher II).

    Darn, I was hoping no one else would find out.

    Oh well, maybe Altius can start being relevant.

    Don't do that...

    If you know anything technical, please post it.

    Russia paid good money for these UAV's, I'm glad they're being put to good use.

    I am about to get real technical, in my ground forces thread, about to do a "Schwabe" Special. Looking in depth on Russian thermal imagers and new technologies(30 images I have to upload).

    Its just that...we have been seeing all these nifty new things Russia has been coming up with, and now with the Russian military debut...we get Israeli drones.

    I just hope Altius shows up, or maybe we can get some shots of Pchela in operation. Anyway, lets not get all sad.

    We should be laughing at the idiots posting about "downed Russian jets". Just saw on liveleak how an idiot used an image of a burned Su-35 and that flipped Su-34 and portrayed them as damaged or downed Su-34s.

    Not only that, but the idiot dared to put the sentence "Their pilots must be brave or drunk to take such a piece of junk into combat".

    Here is the link if anyone wants a laugh: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d7e_1443898808

    I posted a few comments, "Ctrl-X", the guy who originally posted it got destroyed for his poor attempt at propaganda. A real troll, but not a very competent one.


    Anyways, there's maybe a few altius prototypes, but tons of these Forpost UAV's sitting around. I wish they used Russian designed UAV's, but Forpost seems to be working out just fine.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:03 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Relapse wrote:
    Forpost (IAI Searcher II).

    Darn, I was hoping no one else would find out.

    Oh well, maybe Altius can start being relevant.

    Don't do that...

    If you know anything technical, please post it.

    Russia paid good money for these UAV's, I'm glad they're being put to good use.

    I am about to get real technical, in my ground forces thread, about to do a "Schwabe" Special. Looking in depth on Russian thermal imagers and new technologies(30 images I have to upload).

    Its just that...we have been seeing all these nifty new things Russia has been coming up with, and now with the Russian military debut...we get Israeli drones.

    I just hope Altius shows up, or maybe we can get some shots of Pchela in operation. Anyway, lets not get all sad.

    We should be laughing at the idiots posting about "downed Russian jets". Just saw on liveleak how an idiot used an image of a burned Su-35 and that flipped Su-34 and portrayed them as damaged or downed Su-34s.

    Not only that, but the idiot dared to put the sentence "Their pilots must be brave or drunk to take such a piece of junk into combat".

    Here is the link if anyone wants a laugh: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d7e_1443898808

    You also got to understand that Russia has also sent IVECO's over the Tiger-M's.  They are just using up equipment that they have obtained during a period that isn't very good, and since they paid for them and built part of them, might as well use it. We already have seen Russia use their own UAV's for multiple occasions, and even gave them to novorussians like the Orlan-10 UAV as an example. I have seen Pchela used in second Chechen conflict (no, not upfront as I did not serve. Just in terms of pics/videos). Russia has plenty of their own type of UAV's, but what is funny, in all exercises and even in close engagements, I never actually seen the UAV's they bought licenses to produce from Israel. Never. So I find it interesting that they are using them now.

    And there will always be idiots.  Comments section put that guy in his place at pretty much first couple of posts.  I like what novorus posted too, hilarious.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Viktor Orbán strikes again... Cool

    Hungary Urges US-Led Coalition to Cooperate With Russia in Anti-ISIL Fight

    Hungary is one of the russophobic bastion. Why suddenly Orban making sense ? Russophobia was an official Hungarian religion.

    One thing about Hungarians-they do not say one thing and think something else. If they hate you they will let you know. I deeply respect that quality.

    Although, yes, list of people Hungarians hate is a lengthy one indeed... lol1

    As far as I know, Hungary is one of the center of Industrial Revolution in Europe, toghether with Northern Germany Czech, Russia, Scandinavia, and Finland.

    So it is natural that they know which side they should join.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:41 am

    Jihadi AA Artillery....they seem to be saying they're shooting at Iranians and Russians (in between the Allah Akbars)








    More here
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1667573490152067.1073742008.1492252324350852


    Syria from Su-25 cockpit

    I don't think that's Syria
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  medo on Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:17 am

    zg18 wrote:Syria from Su-25 cockpit


    This is the old Su-25, not Su-25SM RuAF have in Syria and it have brown wings. Most probably Iraqi Su-25 and landscape is practically similar to that in Syria.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Akula971 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:27 am

    medo wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Syria from Su-25 cockpit


    This is the old Su-25, not Su-25SM RuAF have in Syria and it have brown wings. Most probably Iraqi Su-25 and landscape is practically similar to that in Syria.

    Well actually it isnt even an Iraqi Su 25. This is a pretty old video, at least 4 years old. I saw this one along with a Su 24 terrain tracking flight video too. Its not Syria or Iraq and neither is it new
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:52 am

    Akula971 wrote:
    medo wrote:

    This is the old Su-25, not Su-25SM RuAF have in Syria and it have brown wings. Most probably Iraqi Su-25 and landscape is practically similar to that in Syria.

    Well actually it isnt even an Iraqi Su 25. This is a pretty old video, at least 4 years old. I saw this one along with a Su 24 terrain tracking flight video too. Its not Syria or Iraq and neither is it new
    Empty bomb/rocket racks as well.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:00 am

    Cyberspec wrote:




    More here
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1667573490152067.1073742008.1492252324350852


    Syria from Su-25 cockpit

    I don't think that's Syria
    Is that the gear the crew wear to fly in? Looks a bit 'smart casual' to me.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Cucumber Khan on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:20 am

    Kh-29Ls have been used in Syria:
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151004/1296524283.html
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  Zivo on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:29 am

    Cucumber Khan wrote:Kh-29Ls have been used in Syria:
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151004/1296524283.html

    Hopefully we get a video of it.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:23 pm

    From RT

    http://www.rt.com/news/317590-russian-aviation-isis-targets/

    Russian fighter jets have attacked 10 Islamic State targets in their latest airstrikes, destroying arms depots, training centers and infrastructure, Defense Ministry says. In the last 24 hours, Russian military aircraft have performed 20 sorties.

    Armored Sukhoi Su-25 ground-support fighter jets have attacked a jihadist training center in Idlib province, also destroying a workshop producing suicide belts, according to the newly-released Defense Ministry report.

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    Post  ult on Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:25 pm

    New videos.












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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

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    Post  Solncepek on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:01 pm

    Militants withdrawn its forces from Syrian Idlib from impact of the Russian aircraft


    The militants of the coalition group "Jaish al-Fatah" began to withdraw its forces from the Syrian city of Idlib and other settlements in the northwest of Syria towards the Turkish border, according to defense industry with reference to the Lebanese newspaper "As-Safir".

    Militants withdrawn its forces from Syrian Idlib from impact of the Russian aircraft


    "The withdrawal of armed gangs to the Turkish border began on Saturday after the radicals felt the effectiveness of strikes Russian air and space forces"
    the magazine writes.

    According to the newspaper, this "coalition headed associated with" Al Qaeda "terrorist group" Al-Nusra Dzhebhat "sponsored" Jaish al-Fatah, "seized the province of Idlib in the spring, are the Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar."

    Eyewitnesses also reported the publication of the withdrawal of the extremists from other cities: "Several trucks with ammunition and armored columns moved from Erich, Sarakiba, Maaret Naaman, and Abu Duhura. Most of them went to the borders with Turkey, a mountainous region of Jabal Zawiya, where the rear bases of armed gangs. "

    "As-Safir" referring to the sources pointed out that "the field commanders expect at any time of the attack Syrian forces, backed by Russian aircraft on key city of Jisr al-Shughur, which is located on Highway Latakia-Aleppo".

    In addition, due to their activity Aviation bandits had to halt the advance of the plain Sahl El Gab (province of Hama). "As expected in this region the Syrian army and the people's militia may also go in the coming hours to the counteroffensive" - the newspaper said.

    "The plain near the river Orontes began in August and September, the main battleground. Front came close to areas inhabited by Alawites (a religious minority that belongs to President Bashar al-Assad), - the newspaper notes. - Therefore, beats Russian airforce is very important for the government forces and enable them to regain the initiative at the front after exhausting battles. "
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:22 pm

    In regards to the story the other day about 4 Israeli F-15 jets leaving Syrian air space after encountering 6 Russian Su-30SM... have more 30SM's arrived and not been reported or just the media screwing up facts again.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:24 pm

    franco wrote:In regards to the story the other day about 4 Israeli F-15 jets leaving Syrian air space after encountering 6 Russian Su-30SM... have more 30SM's arrived and not been reported or just the media screwing up facts again.

    Israel denies, Russia denies, planes don't add up. This mean BS.

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