Syrian War: News #18

Insider info from KP from meeting in Moscow

Russians are not interesting in Israel theories about Hezbollah, Iran, and Syrian responsibility for death of Il-20 crew. Blame is on Israel for being there to strike some targets in a first place.

Surovikin made it clear that it was the actions of Israeli aviation that provoked the tragedy that day. And reminded them of the words of Shoigu: "The fault for the downed Russian plane and the death of the crew lies entirely on the Israeli side." This is our principled position.

Cooperation to continue, but serious adjustments to be made to the Russian-Israeli agreements(deconfliction line?) that were established three years ago. Question about 1minute warning from Israelis before the strike were very unpleasant question for israeli representatives.

miketheterrible wrote:watching that video of the so called S-400, that definitely is not a S-400 launch. Way too slow of a missile launch.

Plus it curves pretty quickly too after launch.

Skandalwitwe wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:watching that video of the so called S-400, that definitely is not a S-400 launch. Way too slow of a missile launch.

Plus it curves pretty quickly too after launch.

Are you joking? Every f**ing S-300/400 vid I've seen so far (and I've seen a lot) is comparable to this. Cold start, missile ignites and whoosh. And btw it's in the wrong thread.

miketheterrible wrote:I don't think S-300 will be effective in hands of SAA. I think Israel will strike at them with long range missiles till they destroy them and SAA will be busy launching randomly in the air

Isos wrote:
Then we need to see what version they are sending. If it is the first old version it won't be that much effective.

If is PMU2 then they could cover israeli air space easily.

JohninMK wrote:Please can we keep the discussion of Russian aid to Syria in the correct thread? This thread is supposed to be about what the Syrians are doing.

The supply by Russia of the(se) S-300 seem to meet the description of the other Syria thread.

Garry, is it possible to move these few posts over there?

GarryB wrote:I rather suspect the stocks of older missiles the Syrians are using were bought quite some time ago when they were considered newer for export.

They might have sold some more ex stock missiles... they made them in enormous amounts...

I remember reading them talk about the SA-1, which they stated they made in the 100,000s, and since the early 2000s had used about 13,000 as targets... for which they are still useful.

From memory the SA-1 was liquid fuelled so they don't really expire... fuel them up and fire them...

Newer missiles would also be made in enormous numbers and are also used as targets... the SA-8 in particular is command guided so you can launch up to 6 targets from one vehicle and control their flight profile to suit different attacking threats, while the 50kg payload means you can put in some jammer or telemetry equipment if you want to.

Even old anti tank missiles are used... AT-3s were used to test the Igla against cruise missiles and other low flying small threats... the result was the Igla-S with a proximity fuse for engaging smaller targets.

I agree, they seem to be using a few SAMs... no thanks to Israeli incursions, but that just speeds them to the point where they will need S-300s or newer systems...

Tingsay wrote:This could backfire.
If Syrians fuck up again (the IL-20 downing is partly a Syrian fuck up), Israel could be bragging about destroying S-300s.