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    Post  lycantrop Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:03 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    kvs wrote:Maybe the Israeli lunatics who openly supported the Daesh goons in the region should bugger on off from the Golan Heights.

    Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked first and declared war to Israel, then started shelling and air bombing the small country, when Israel was already busy with Egypt. And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

    you must have currently sleepless nights my friend, eh?, now as your friends get its a.. kicked in south Syria. Idlib is next..
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:07 am

    lycantrop wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    kvs wrote:Maybe the Israeli lunatics who openly supported the Daesh goons in the region should bugger on off from the Golan Heights.

    Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked first and declared war to Israel, then started shelling and air bombing the small country, when Israel was already busy with Egypt. And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

    you must have currently sleepless nights my friend, eh?, now as your friends get its a.. kicked in south Syria. Idlib is next..

    No, it's just that knowing and sharing a bit of history always keeps the fanboys away.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:19 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Assad better play ball and keep those lunatics away from Israel's borders.

    The hasbarat blows his cover in a fit of pique over Hezb getting its hands on HATOstani weapons (such delicious irony! Very Happy )...  I smell a fake greek...

    KiloGolf wrote:Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked first and declared war to Israel, then started shelling and air bombing the small country, when Israel was already busy with Egypt. And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

    What a lying hasbarat asshat.  Zionistan ATTACKED Egypt in 1967 as part of their plan for territorial expansion.  They knew that Nasser was only sabre rattling for show and that no Egyptian attack was planned (US intel agreed at the time as well, and told them so), and they knew that any attack on Egypt would cause Syria & Jordan to intervene due to their treaty of mutual defense.  US DoD assessed that Zio military was superior to the collective Arab forces and that Israel would win any conflict.  The Zios knew it too so they decided to initiate OUTRIGHT AGGRESSION to further their land grabs.  angry

    Any honest observer knows this is a FACT, and there is a veritable ton of public domain info available to prove this, yet we still have these Zio-rat liars and scoundrels spreading endless agitprop and falsifications.  It hardly surprising however, as it is the essence of Talmudism for the Chosenites and their goyim minions to employ deception in their vendetta against all non-Chosen peoples.  What can you expect from a people who believe their destiny is to "rule over all lesser peoples with a rod of iron" or have them "work like beasts while we sit and eat"?  angry

    KiloGolf wrote:No, it's just that knowing and sharing a bit of history always keeps the fanboys away.

    Jewish "history" is based on lies. From the non-existent "Kingdoms" of Solomon and David (of which absolutely ZERO archaeological evidence has ever been found) all the way through to the founding myths of Zionistan and the alleged causes of ME wars. its nothing but fabrications meant to create artificial bedrock for anchoring the artificial Jewish identity, ie the theft by modern day Ashkenazi zionists of the heritage of ancient Judea for their own use, while denying the same to the current-day Palestinians (the Arabised true descendents of the Hebrew-speakers on antiquity).
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:02 am

    kvs wrote:.....

    So you are an Israeli posing as a Greek, eh.

    Maybe the Israeli lunatics who openly supported the Daesh goons in the region should bugger on off from the Golan Heights.

    Am I a Serb posing as Israeli then?

    Because I also believe that dumbest thing Iranians and associated clowns could do now (or ever) is to stick their dicks on the wrong end of the line.

    They will get roasted as always but I seriously could not care less about it. What I do care about is their stupidity impeding Russian and SAA progress on the ground.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:20 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Am I a Serb posing as Israeli then?

    No, because you are not peddling worn-out Zionist fables like KG is. That stuff about Israel being the poor little victim forced to fight to defend itself against the beastly Arabs was pure unadulterated drivel. He actually thinks Syria was wrong to get involved in 1967 after the Zios attacked Egypt!? Funny how the concept of "attack one, attack all" is fine and dandy when its NATO, but disallowed when its Arab nations with a mutual defense pact?
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:03 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:"attack one, attack all" is fine and dandy when its NATO, but disallowed when its Arab nations with a mutual defense pact?

    Egypt ultimately broke that very pact negotiating a separate deal with Israel. There is no parallel for that in NATO, Syria got played and punked by their own supposed allies.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:18 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:"attack one, attack all" is fine and dandy when its NATO, but disallowed when its Arab nations with a mutual defense pact?

    Egypt ultimately broke that very pact negotiating a separate deal with Israel. There is no parallel for that in NATO, Syria got played and punked by their own supposed allies.

    Utter bunkum....  I smell hasbarat desperation, as the roaches always panic and scatter when the lights get turned on....  No parallel because why?  because YOU say so?  pffttt...
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:48 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Utter bunkum....  I smell hasbarat desperation, as the roaches always panic and scatter when the lights get turned on....  No parallel because why?  because YOU say so?  pffttt...

    Because it happened so. Sadat did not coordinate with Assad and never pushed further in the Sinai, so as to relieve pressure from the Golan.
    Israel massacred SAA and parked its tanks deep in Syrian territory. Sadat stabbed his supposed ally in the back (can't blame him very much, as ultimately Egypt got the Sinai back a few years later). But all this has nothing in common with NATO.

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    Post  starman Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:12 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

    In 1973, Syria did not "invade Israel" it only sought to recover its own territory--the Golan--taken from it in '67. And no informed observer considered the Syrian attack an "existential threat" to Israel, which always had an edge militarily.
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    Post  starman Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:20 pm

    KiloGolf wrote: Sadat did not coordinate with Assad and never pushed further in the Sinai, so as to relieve pressure from the Golan.

    The Egyptians coordinated with Syria before the war and both nations attacked simultaneously. And Sadat did attempt to push further into the Sinai, on a number of occasions even prior to October 14. The October 14 attack was intended to relieve pressure on Syria, and was carried out for this purpose despite serious objections from the Egyptian generals.


    Israel massacred SAA and parked its tanks deep in Syrian territory.

    The barack and 7th brigades had the advantage of good defensive positions. The SAA could've prevailed had it delayed its deployment until the start of October, and avoided the waste of reserves on red ridge.
    Btw great posts Big Gazza!
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:24 pm

    starman wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:And later in the 70s they shouldn't have attempted to invade Israel with over 1,000 tanks (clear existential threat). Both instances happened for no reason and no initial Israeli attack/provocation on Syria, other than stupid Arab politics.

    In 1973, Syria did not "invade Israel" it only sought to recover its own territory--the Golan--taken from it in '67. And no informed observer considered the Syrian attack an "existential threat" to Israel, which always had an edge militarily.

    And how did Syria lose 'its own territory' in the Golan? By unilaterally shelling and bombarding Israel in 1967 (Israel did not attack them) and while Israel was busy fighting a huge war with Egypt.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Syria got the memo eventually.

    starman wrote:The Egyptians coordinated with Syria before the war and both nations attacked simultaneously. And Sadat did attempt to push further into the Sinai, on a number of occasions even prior to October 14. The October 14 attack was intended to relieve pressure on Syria, and was carried out for this purpose despite serious objections from the Egyptian generals.

    Sadat sold Syria out, those efforts lacked steam. He actually did it on purpose, knowing that for IDF it was top priority to keep the heights to stop the shelling of Israel, rather than the West Bank of Suez canal. He took the deal under the table and switched sides later on.
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    Post  calm Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:33 pm

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    Post  calm Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Another interesting analysis from Magnier. Includes this gem

    President Bashar al-Assad didn’t limit his provocation to ask from Hezbollah to increase its military formation in the south of Syria, but he gave it a substantial gift: two full containers carrying US 60,000$/each TOW’s anti-tank guided missiles, Milan French anti-tank guided missile, and other “spoils of war” collected in the south of Syria battle as a token of gratitude to his allies who had shared the same fate during the long years of the war. The west and the Gulf countries supplied significant quantities of weapons to jihadists and rebels throughout the years of the war. These have changed hands from al-Qaeda, to ISIS, and now to Hezbollah.

    https://ejmagnier.com/2018/07/16/putin-netanyahu-meeting-in-moscow-your-concern-about-irans-presence-in-syria-must-be-postponed-until-terrorism-is-defeated-and-syria-is-liberated/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Few TOWs won't change nothing. Hezbollah already have tons of different ATGMs. And SAA doesn't really need an old TOWs when they have new Kornets lying around every corner.


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    Again you guys with Israeli/Hezbollah/Iran/Syria nonsense. They all need to leave Syria and Russia need to take charge.
    After stabilization we can see the negotiations. Only sane country(Russia) can be guarantor of peace between Israel and Syria. Who knows, eventually they might get golan back like Egypt got Sinai. They sure as hell wont get it back by waging war. So many people died in Syria, and some ideologically driven people are calling on attack on Golan immediately after war ends. But looks like the most of them are living happily in EU or USA. Go to Syria, fight for your side, and then call for war.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:09 pm

    A few little goodies to darken KGs mood and dispel the Zio propaganda that Egypt was to blame for the 1967 war...

    “in June 1967 we had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, 1982

    “The thesis according to which the danger of genocide hung over us in June 1967, and according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival, was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war,” declared Gen. Matituahu Peled, chief of logistical command during the war and one of 12 members of Israel’s General Staff, in March 1972.

    “This whole story about the threat of extermination was totally contrived, and then elaborated upon, a posteriori, to justify the annexation of new Arab territories,” Mordechai Bentov, April 1971, a member of the wartime government and one of 37 people to sign Israel’s Declaration of Independence.

    As I said, the cockroaches always scatter when the lights go on, and the rest of the Zio fake narratives are equally as fragile.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:15 pm

    calm wrote:So many people died in Syria, and some ideologically driven people are calling on attack on Golan immediately after war ends. But looks like the most of them are living happily in EU or USA. Go to Syria, fight for your side, and then call for war.

    Agreed.  Moving against Golan would be gold-plated foolishness.  Syria needs a decade to re-cover, re-arm, re-build.  Hezbollah needs to be further strengthened, both militarily and politically, especially their short-range missile inventory. Lebanon also needs a capable AD system capable of defeating Ziostani interdictions.  There can be no peace with the Zio until Golan is freed and the Palestinians receive a just and fair settlement.
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    Post  Nibiru Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:42 pm

    Im not sure how to start with this post, but this war between the Israelis and the  Arabs are more than just territorial disputes, religious ideologies are also mainly at play here, i really hope that a lot of you people are aware of this ongoing plot by various Islamic groups and organizations to Islamize non-islamic countries? They are doing this little by little, if you live in the west with a very small muslim community, then you probably wouldn't notice this, but slowly they are building up communities and strengthening their political base to continously demand changes in certain laws that would be compliant with their Sharia. 

    Now, look at Bethlehem  , many years ago, there is a larger Christian presence in the area, but because of the relentless Birth Jihad, along with the usual Islamic intimidation, Christians have dwindled in numbers and continue to do so up to this day while the number of muslims have grown very rapidly. This is just an example, this very same Islamization strategy is being carried out in many other places, Western Europe, South and Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Africa, etc. 

    As a non-muslim who is not Ignorant of the ongoing Islamic takeover of the non-muslim world, i am inclined to support Israel since they seem to have the only effective solution to stop the Islamization of their country. The muslims like to play it dirty with deception and violence always being part of their strategy, so non-muslims need to do the same, but twice as more to get the upper hand againts the Islamists. If Israel will ultimately drive out the muslims in the greater Israel territory then even much better, this will break muslim spirit and even encourage other countries like Thailand, Myanmar, Philippines, Nigeria, India etc, to expunge the Islamic terrorists from their own countries.
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:15 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Agreed.  Moving against Golan would be gold-plated foolishness.  Syria needs a decade to re-cover, re-arm, re-build.  Hezbollah needs to be further strengthened, both militarily and politically, especially their short-range missile inventory.  Lebanon also needs a capable AD system capable of defeating Ziostani interdictions.  There can be no peace with the Zio until Golan is freed and the Palestinians receive a just and fair settlement.

    You do realize that Israeli Jews are also 'Palestinians'. The term Palestinian is geographic and refers to a region the British arbitrarily drew on a map.
    And that is not to blame the British for the troubles there. But Arabs tend to forget this.


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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:18 pm

    Nibiru wrote:Im not sure how to start with this post, but this war between the Israelis and the  Arabs are more than just territorial disputes, religious ideologies are also mainly at play here, i really hope that a lot of you people are aware of this ongoing plot by various Islamic groups and organizations to Islamize non-islamic countries? They are doing this little by little, if you live in the west with a very small muslim community, then you probably wouldn't notice this, but slowly they are building up communities and strengthening their political base to continously demand changes in certain laws that would be compliant with their Sharia. 

    Now, look at Bethlehem  , many years ago, there is a larger Christian presence in the area, but because of the relentless Birth Jihad, along with the usual Islamic intimidation, Christians have dwindled in numbers and continue to do so up to this day while the number of muslims have grown very rapidly. This is just an example, this very same Islamization strategy is being carried out in many other places, Western Europe, South and Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Africa, etc. 

    As a non-muslim who is not Ignorant of the ongoing Islamic takeover of the non-muslim world, i am inclined to support Israel since they seem to have the only effective solution to stop the Islamization of their country. The muslims like to play it dirty with deception and violence always being part of their strategy, so non-muslims need to do the same, but twice as more to get the upper hand againts the Islamists. If Israel will ultimately drive out the muslims in the greater Israel territory then even much better, this will break muslim spirit and even encourage other countries like Thailand, Myanmar, Philippines, Nigeria, India etc, to expunge the Islamic terrorists from their own countries.

    Good points. Islamism is not local to the region (Levant), it's a recently expanded ideology based on settlements and colonization.
    It's funny how the accusers of Israel play that very card on it, when the big, fat elephant is in the room.
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:21 pm

    calm wrote:Again you guys with Israeli/Hezbollah/Iran/Syria nonsense. They all need to leave Syria and Russia need to take charge.
    After stabilization we can see the negotiations. Only sane country(Russia) can be guarantor of peace between Israel and Syria. Who knows, eventually they might get golan back like Egypt got Sinai. They sure  as hell wont get it back by waging war. So many people died in Syria, and some ideologically driven people are calling on attack on Golan immediately after war ends. But looks like the most of them are living happily in EU or USA. Go to Syria, fight for your side, and then call for war.

    +1 on all points.
    Chances are Syria will get the biggest part of Golan back (excl. Mt Hermon and access to Galilee sea) if they kick Iran out and all its influence.
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    Post  calm Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:53 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    calm wrote:So many people died in Syria, and some ideologically driven people are calling on attack on Golan immediately after war ends. But looks like the most of them are living happily in EU or USA. Go to Syria, fight for your side, and then call for war.

    Agreed.  Moving against Golan would be gold-plated foolishness.  Syria needs a decade to re-cover, re-arm, re-build.  Hezbollah needs to be further strengthened, both militarily and politically, especially their short-range missile inventory.  Lebanon also needs a capable AD system capable of defeating Ziostani interdictions.  There can be no peace with the Zio until Golan is freed and the Palestinians receive a just and fair settlement.

    Exactly. Only way Syria can prosper(militarily) is under Russian protection. Eventually they will manage to get decent air defence and to organise their military(after this war ends and economy recover). Yes, we are talking about decades. Only after that they can negotiate with Israel, and they will have some sort of deterance. They will never come to any kind of deal with Iran on their back. Iran is a friend of Syria, but they need to leve Syra to do what is best for them.Also, Syria will never recognise Israel in this borders, without recognision of Palestine by Israel. But that would/should not stop Syria to normalise relations with Israel to some extent with Russian mediation.


    All of this looks like fairy tale now, but it will be possible in the future. As US influence is continuing to melt across the world, while Russia is establishing itself firmly in the middle east and China is expanding to same regions and beyond. When new players took the stick from US hands old players(Israel,Saudia) will change their behaviour. That is only hope for nations that are in same problem like Syria and my Serbia now. Syria will wait for better times for Golan, as we are waiting for Kosmet. But that time will come.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 pm

    Syria will do nothing about golan. Russian generals are in charge of SAA and they are not stupid to let them attack israel. They couldn't win against tereorists, let alone Israel.

    Russia could only retake it diplomaticaly.
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    Post  starman Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:57 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Chances are Syria will get the biggest part of Golan back (excl. Mt Hermon and access to Galilee sea) if they kick Iran out and all its influence.

    But will Assad really agree to a partial return of Golan? His father wouldn't even though by then c 1996, Syria, albeit still intact, had lost its superpower backup and had fallen far behind militarily.
    Another problem is that Israel may not be willing to give back any of Golan having annexed it.
    While I couldn't agree more with those who say attacking Golan now would be stupid, it is possible that the only alternatives are war or just agreeing to let Israel keep it.
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    Post  starman Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:12 pm

    calm wrote:
    Exactly. Only way Syria can prosper(militarily) is under Russian protection. Eventually they will manage to get decent air defence and to organise their military(after this war ends and economy recover). Yes, we are talking about decades. Only after that they can negotiate with Israel, and they will have some sort of deterance. They will never come to any kind of deal with Iran on their back. Iran is a friend of Syria, but they need to leve Syra to do what is best for them.

    The problem with this is, if Israel proves intractable and won't give back Golan (even if the Iranians leave) Syria will have to seriously consider war again, if only after a decade or two. While Russia can help Syria rearm it was never willing to help them fight Israel. If Israeli intransigence forces Syria to contemplate eventual war, it'll need a lot of help from muslim allies, notably Iraq and Iran too--the more the better. Even in 1973, when Egypt diverted much Israeli strength from Syria, the latter still needed Iraqi and Jordanian reinforcements.

    Also, Syria will never recognise Israel in this borders, without recognision of Palestine by Israel. But that would/should not stop Syria to normalise relations with Israel to some extent with Russian mediation.

    The Palestinian situation could get volatile, especially after Abbas goes. The Israelis may seize upon violence to throw the palestinians out and grab all their remaining land for their own growing population. Inevitably that'll change the political landscape, to the detriment of moderates....


    All of this looks like fairy tale now, but it will be possible in the future. As US influence is continuing to melt across the world, while Russia is establishing itself firmly in the middle east and China is expanding to same regions and beyond. When new players took the stick from US hands old players(Israel,Saudia) will change their behaviour.

    Frankly I think the US is as influential as ever and will remain the number one power. But that does not mean progress in the Mideast is impossible--the muslims still have the sheer potential to prevail.
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    Post  KiloGolf Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:20 pm

    starman wrote:The Palestinian situation could get volatile, especially after Abbas goes. The Israelis may seize upon violence to throw the palestinians out and grab all their remaining land

    Technically it's nobody's land as Jordan relinquished sovereignty in the West Bank.
    Israel can annex anything they like there.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:03 am

    So if Golan Heights are non-issue, then so are all the fantasy restrictions on Hezbollah in Syria. After Israeli and American sponsoring of
    the genocidal butchers (aka Daesh), there is negative incentive to restrict Iran or any other fellatio on the part of Syria and Russia.

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