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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  Isos on Thu May 03, 2018 11:01 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    To be honest, new weapons with scramjet propulsion look to have rather more growth potential... but we will see.

    What it does suggest is that the UKSK.... or universal launcher... is becoming more universal...

    Remember not every ship needs 2,500km range cruise missiles, and for some short range tactical missiles with 400kg+ warheads moving at very high speeds can be just the ticket...


    They said Iskander. My interpretation was Iskander rocket nor cruise missile (otherwise why to specify calibers and iskanders apart? ) . Me wonders why ballistic rocket on ship? kind of stealth sub Dongfeng-21 ?


    The thing thet worries me is diameter 0,95 /iskander  vs. 0,7 Onix


    It's unlikely they put iskander in a sub with new lunch systems while they try to uniformize the missiles for UKSK lunchers. The source is not reliable too. Just fan conception.
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  Hole on Thu May 03, 2018 11:28 am

    The could convert a few Kilos to carry Iskanders. Would be useful in the Baltic Sea.
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 03, 2018 1:34 pm


    There won't be any Iskanders on subs, that thing is a fanart and source is BS

    They just meshed together Yasen and Akula

    That poster photo from Malakhit is way more realistic than this
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  Hole on Thu May 03, 2018 4:48 pm

    They will not put it on a large nuclear sub for sure. It would have to come to close to the shore to be effective. Why put an expensive sub in danger? But a modified Kilo with 4 or 8 Iskanders would be a very effective weapon in the Baltic or Black Sea.
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 05, 2018 6:51 am

    They said Iskander. My interpretation was Iskander rocket nor cruise missile (otherwise why to specify calibers and iskanders apart? ) . Me wonders why ballistic rocket on ship? kind of stealth sub Dongfeng-21 ?

    A couple of things... first of all a naval Iskander is not limited in range or payload by the INF treaty, so while the Iskander that we know is limited to 500km range, any naval or air launched model is not.

    Second... the new Kinzhal has a body shape very similar to Iskander... perhaps they have made air and ship/sub launched models with greatly boosted range and speed performance... so that if or when the INF treaty is folded... Mk41 launch tubes in eastern europe already violate that agreement anyway so if the US refuses to stop violating the INF agreement and remove its land based AEGIS system then Russia could deploy a land based solid fuelled rocket with much better performance than Iskander... say Iskander II... all the development could be done via a naval version so when the agreement no longer applies they can deploy new missiles immediately?

    On a ship, the semi ballistic Iskander without range restrictions could be useful... it manouvers to evade interception, has very high speed and excellent terminal accuracy.

    The thing thet worries me is diameter 0,95 /iskander vs. 0,7 Onix

    Would be a bit of an issue... maybe make the naval version narrower and much longer to fit the available space...

    They will not put it on a large nuclear sub for sure. It would have to come to close to the shore to be effective. Why put an expensive sub in danger? But a modified Kilo with 4 or 8 Iskanders would be a very effective weapon in the Baltic or Black Sea.

    A naval model with perhaps 1,500km range and perhaps a really big solid rocket booster to get it to high altitude and moving fast... the way the MiG-31 gets the  Kinzhal moving before release... I mean, 2,000km range and mach 10 flight speed is impressive... having it available on the end of a MiG-31 or a Tu-22M3M is impressive performance enough, but having it pop up anywhere on the planet from a new SSGN would be very interesting too.... and making it compatible with the UKSK launcher means even corvettes could carry it... as will pretty much every new Russian armed ship.



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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 05, 2018 10:30 am

    GarryB wrote:

    A couple of things... first of all a naval Iskander is not limited in range or payload by the INF treaty, so while the Iskander that we know is limited to 500km range, any naval or air launched model is not.

    Second... the new Kinzhal has a body shape very similar to Iskander... perhaps they have made air and ship/sub launched models with greatly boosted range and speed performance... so that if or when the INF treaty is folded... Mk41 launch tubes in eastern europe already violate that agreement anyway so if the US refuses to stop violating the INF agreement and remove its land based AEGIS system then Russia could deploy a land based solid fuelled rocket with much better performance than Iskander... say Iskander II... all the development could be done via a naval version so when the agreement no longer applies they can deploy new missiles immediately?

    On a ship, the semi ballistic Iskander without range restrictions could be useful... it manouvers to evade interception, has very high speed and excellent terminal accuracy.


    all makes sense technically. But if navalized Iskander is real then I bet on anti ship application (LHDs, CVNs beyond escort interception range) not to bomb shores.
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 9:39 pm


    According to this article construction of first Husky is to start this year by I am suspicions about it...

    New Russian Submarine to Merge With Ocean

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201805261064843122-russian-nuclear-husky-submarine/

    The concept of the submarine has already been accepted and its construction is set to start in 2018, with the last unit of the first batch slated for completion by 2025...........
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  Eduardo Yesterday at 9:59 pm

    Very bad article!
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 10:19 pm

    Eduardo wrote:Very bad article!

    I know, hence disclaimer
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  dino00 Yesterday at 10:47 pm

    I have read minutes before in Sputnik, and tought what a mess... But thanks for posting
    I am Eduardo, was a mistake to post with That account Rolling Eyes
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    Re: 5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine

    Post  GunshipDemocracy Today at 1:00 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Eduardo wrote:Very bad article!

    I know, hence disclaimer



    This article is poorly translated RIA fan article which is extract form an interview for Izvestia. The interview was with Aleksey Rakhmanov, head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).

    https://iz.ru/743521/nikolai-surkov/khaski-s-sekretom

    Thats about Husky, is sounds better huh?

    - When can we expect the appearance of the fifth generation nuclear submarines?

    - We have already completed the conceptual design of the prospective fifth generation "Husky" submarine, as well as the definition of its appearance. Several variants have been proposed, now they have to choose the optimal one. Now the tactical and technical characteristics of the new boat are being developed. The rest about the "Husky" - while the military secret.

    this below is not about Husky but also interesting Smile

    The USA is now actively developing autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicles. What domestic shipbuilders can offer the Navy?

    - We are also developing autonomous combat complexes - today this is one of the key trends in the development of the armed forces of any country in the world. SPBMM Malakhit and CDB MT Rubin are working on the design of systems provided with their own autonomous power plant, with an integrated system of orientation and, of course, management.

    I can not talk about this in detail, for obvious reasons, but I assure you: we have something to offer. And, by the way, civil projects in this field are developing at least as actively.

    For example, we agreed with the Foundation for Advanced Studies to develop robots for solving research problems: it is mapping the bottom, inspecting bottom objects, studying the soil and water column and so on. The development of autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicles is underway, which will be engaged in the exploration of the continental shelf in the Arctic Ocean - to search for oil and gas deposits, draw up bottom maps necessary for the construction of engineering structures for the extraction and transportation of hydrocarbons. These devices can contactlessly exchange information and undergo recharging.


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