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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:57 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:The attack took place, whether symbolic in nature or not. Which means Russia was unable to dissuade its rivals with the threat of force. Since it's obvious a deal was made, Russia appeased again under pressure.

    That is the bottomline.

    The U.S/U.K/France loses nothing with this strike. Russia gains nothing, if anything, the word "consequence" in Russian just disappeared from Russian dictionaries. Trump and the West, kept their word, even if superficial in nature. Putin, Russia's MOD, and Garasimov, got to eat their words of bluster.

    That's the scorecard.

    Agreed. Russia deployed no means to prevent this action and they had weeks to do so. So that's it, they look like fools but only for a day. 100 cruise missiles hits shouldn't make any difference on the ground, unless repeated daily for months. SAA and friends need to keep their momentum and keep expanding red zones.

    The west countries are fewer and fewer. Only US UK Fr, no germany no australia ... I think poeple in those western countries are fed up with those lies and it was reflected this night. Their coalition that used to destroy countries is geting smaller and smaller.

    FR people will see now that macron is an anglo saxon puppet. And contrary to what most people here think french hates US politics. And they will probably stop supporting them.

    Russia doesn't care no one touched their soldier. No need for response.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:02 pm

    Aristide wrote:I see our goals as positive and this strike as sucess. We achieved what we wanted and insults here dontchange that

    Literally not one of France's missiles did anything, if by hitting the ground you mean has a success sure, in terms of military France failed.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:07 pm

    Oh incase anyone is wondering the rebels seized no ground during this, they tried but they failed.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:08 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Oh incase anyone is wondering the rebels seized no ground during this, they tried but they failed.

    Which rebels ?
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:10 pm

    I see our goals as positive and this strike as sucess. We achieved what we wanted and insults here dontchange that

    Yeah... declare victory and then run away... Vietnam all over again...

    You could have expressed yourself without abusing Russia and Russians, or anyone else for that matter... pretty sure you managed to annoy most people here one way or another.

    You pretended there was a chemical attack and now your country has spent a small fortune attacking non existent chemical labs and probably a nuclear missile base and now they are declaring mission accomplished.

    But just like the unique declaration of independence for Kosovo that ended up in Georgian forces kicked out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the Russian military getting and enormous revamp and upgrade programme... this little empty show of strength will likely end up with Syria getting much better air defence equipment... and likely Iran too... and if they are clever they will likely use this as an excuse to attack areas held by US forces in Syria...
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:12 pm

    FSA and ISIS.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:But just like the unique declaration of independence for Kosovo that ended up in Georgian forces kicked out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the Russian military getting and enormous revamp and upgrade programme... this little empty show of strength will likely end up with Syria getting much better air defence equipment... and likely Iran too... and if they are clever they will likely use this as an excuse to attack areas held by US forces in Syria...

    If Syria gets S-300PMU2 or V4 as a result of the attacks, I forsee the same press/internet zombies protesting about it and calling in strikes. While at it, Syria better get some more MiG-29Ms.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:20 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:But just like the unique declaration of independence for Kosovo that ended up in Georgian forces kicked out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the Russian military getting and enormous revamp and upgrade programme... this little empty show of strength will likely end up with Syria getting much better air defence equipment... and likely Iran too... and if they are clever they will likely use this as an excuse to attack areas held by US forces in Syria...

    If Syria gets S-300PMU2 or V4 as a result of the attacks, I forsee the same press/internet zombies protesting about it and calling in strikes. While at it, Syria better get some more MiG-29Ms.

    Not only Syria but any country that wants them will get them.

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201804141063542460-russia-air-defenses-syria-us-missile-strike/

    "A few years ago, we refused to supply S-300 air defense systems to Syria due to the request of some of our Western partners. Taking into account what happened, we consider it possible to return to this issue. And not only with regard to Syria, but with regard to other states," the General Staff stated"
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:24 pm

    Leith Aboufadel
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    The three official sites that were hit by the U.S. Coalition:

    -Brigade 105
    -Dumayr Airbase
    -Barzeh

    They hit Dumayr, that's where Buk-M2 are based.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Godric on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:27 pm

    i've seen comments about Iran could get S-400s if Russia i would ignore UN sanctions and sell them jet fighters
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Aristide on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I see our goals as positive and this strike as sucess. We achieved what we wanted and insults here dontchange that

    Yeah... declare victory and then run away... Vietnam all over again...

    You could have expressed yourself without abusing Russia and Russians, or anyone else for that matter... pretty sure you managed to annoy most people here one way or another.

    You pretended there was a chemical attack and now your country has spent a small fortune attacking non existent chemical labs and probably a nuclear missile base and now they are declaring mission accomplished.

    But just like the unique declaration of independence for Kosovo that ended up in Georgian forces kicked out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the Russian military getting and enormous revamp and upgrade programme... this little empty show of strength will likely end up with Syria getting much better air defence equipment... and likely Iran too... and if they are clever they will likely use this as an excuse to attack areas held by US forces in Syria...

    We do not run away. We said we dont allow chemical attacks. There was a chemical attack and we have prove that assad did it. We destroyed the chemical facilities. That was our goal and this goal was achieved.

    This has nothing to do with Russia. Beside that we know the game. Russia doesnt care for Syria. Its a cardgame. Russia wants that we accept Crimean occupation. Thats what matters for Russia. They use Syria in this game to make our nations do concessions in a deal.

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  lulldapull on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:28 pm

    IRGC deputy hints at gate crashing many of the hot spots where Iran has been holding back.

    No more being nice. Thanks Trump for unleashing a lot of Iran backed guys who will run around in Syria/ Yemen or even northern Iraq looking for serious revenge:

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970125000238
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:29 pm

    Russia claims Syria air defences shot down 71 of 103 missiles

    Moscow says Syria’s Soviet-era systems downed majority of US, UK and French missiles

    gei Rudskoi of the Russian military said the strikes had not caused any casualties and that Syrian military facilities suffered only minor damage.

    Although it was not possible to verify the claims, the most up-to-date system that Moscow has supplied to the Syrian regime is the short range Pantsir S-1, which has an anti-missile capability.

    Syria latest: Theresa May calls strikes 'right and legal' – live updates
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    Russia said its advisers had spent the last 18 months completely rebuilding the Syrian air defence system, and said the high number of intercepted rockets spoke to “the high effectiveness of the weaponry in Syria and the excellent training of Syrian servicemen prepared by our specialists”.



    Although Russia suggested that Syrian forces had been responsible for manning their own air defences, Russian advisers have a long history of operating systems in such situations.

    Video footage that emerged in the aftermath of the strikes appeared to show air defence missiles being launched.

    The Pantsir – which has reportedly been used in the past to shoot down several drones and missiles in Syria – is far more modern than Syria’s other anti-aircraft systems that make up the backbone of the country’s air defences, some of which which first came into service in the Soviet Union in the late 1950s and 60s.

    While it was not possible to verify the claims, Syria claimed to have intercepted suspected Israeli missiles fired on a base earlier this month, while an Israeli jet was brought down in February.

    Moscow said Syria used S-125, S-200, Buk and Kvadrat systems to repel the attack.

    Russian officials named six airbases as specific targets of Saturday’s attacks, including al-Dumayr military airport, an airbase near the city of Homs, and the Shayrat airbase that was targeted in 2017.

    Rudskoi said Syria had Soviet-made defence systems that Moscow has “completely overhauled”, including S-200 systems and Buk missiles.

    He said Russian air defences in Syria – including state of the art S-400 coastal missile batteries located at the Russian naval base at Tartus and elsewhere – monitored the strike but did not engage any of the missiles.

    Rudskoi said the Syrian military used Soviet-made air defence systems with high efficiency, shooting down all of the missiles aimed at four key Syrian airbases.

    The most significant Russian response for the region, however, is likely to be the announcement that Moscow will consider supplying Syria with S-300 missiles in response to the attack.

    Vladimir Putin said in 2013 after talks with EU leaders that Moscow had refrained from supplying the powerful S-300 air defence systems to Assad’s government.

    While the supply of S-300s to Syria is unlikely to trouble the US military, their widespread deployment would make it much more hazardous for Israeli jets to target Syria as they have done with relative impunity until recently.

    “Considering what has happened, we consider it possible to reassess this question and not just as far as concerns Syria, but other countries too,” Rudskoi said on supplying the missile system.

    The latest raids have underlined how, despite the huge humanitarian cost of the war in Syria, the country has become a proving ground for some of the world’s most advanced weapons systems, deployed both by the US and Russia.

    According to reports in the immediate aftermath of the attack, the strikes involved the first combat use of the JASSM advanced missile, reportedly fired from US B1-B Lancer heavy bombers.

    The stealthy cruise missiles, which have a range of 230 miles (370km), can carry a 450kg warhead and use infrared sensors to guide themselves towards their targets. Each B1 can carry four.

    The weapon, like others used in Saturday’s strikes, can be delivered from outside the Syrian and Russian air defences meaning that the aircraft and ships involved would not be exposed.

    The use of the JASSM – which first came into use nine years ago – would fit with Donald Trump’s tweet this week warning Russia the US would respond with a “new” and “smart” missile.

    Trump and Putin have been engaged in recent months in something of a rhetorical arms race over weapons systems and their capabilities, with Putin boasting of new hypersonic nuclear missiles and high-speed submarines before the recent presidential election.

    Russia this year deployed its most advanced fighter jet to Syria, the stealth-capable Su-57.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/russia-claims-syria-air-defences-shot-down-majority-missiles
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:31 pm

    Godric wrote:i've seen comments about Iran could get S-400s if Russia i would ignore UN sanctions and sell them jet fighters

    Yes because they let them use their airbase but no official statement. Turkey an SA will get it, why not Iran ? They already proposed them long time ago in place of the S-300. But they should start selling them su-35 equiped with kh-35 and oniks. Deffensive weapons only are useless. They need something to attack.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:48 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I see our goals as positive and this strike as sucess. We achieved what we wanted and insults here dontchange that

    Yeah... declare victory and then run away... Vietnam all over again...

    You could have expressed yourself without abusing Russia and Russians, or anyone else for that matter... pretty sure you managed to annoy most people here one way or another.

    You pretended there was a chemical attack and now your country has spent a small fortune attacking non existent chemical labs and probably a nuclear missile base and now they are declaring mission accomplished.

    But just like the unique declaration of independence for Kosovo that ended up in Georgian forces kicked out of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the Russian military getting and enormous revamp and upgrade programme... this little empty show of strength will likely end up with Syria getting much better air defence equipment... and likely Iran too... and if they are clever they will likely use this as an excuse to attack areas held by US forces in Syria...

    We do not run away. We said we dont allow chemical attacks. There was a chemical attack and we have prove that assad did it. We destroyed the chemical facilities. That was our goal and this goal was achieved.

    This has nothing to do with Russia. Beside that we know the game. Russia doesnt care for Syria. Its a cardgame. Russia wants that we accept Crimean occupation. Thats what matters for Russia. They use Syria in this game to make our nations do concessions in a deal.

    There is no proof Assad did it that's the thing I am with the Us and I can tell you that's a bogus story.

    The rebels where being sent to Idlib her per a deal. Assad already won Ghouta, this entire theory hinges on the fact after already hvaing won Ghouta Assad would just go and drop chemical weapons for no reason, he had nothing to gain from such an attack.

    He already achieved his military objective, France expects you to believe after the rebels surrendered Assad would do something that would give other states and the rebels an excuse to fight on.

    Are you that stupid it seems so.

    France has no proof, Macron is just being a good lil boy and doing what we tell him.

    No proof has ever been shown, Assad could have done something like this sure BUT he didn't do it that is the fact.

    Your leader is nothing more then one of our dogs that is all. He will bark when we say and he will walk when we say.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:00 pm

    Aristide wrote:...Why should i not be proud of our military or my nation in general? Do you have specific reasons for that?...

    About that....

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:05 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Are you that stupid it seems so.

    He's posting selfies to a defense forum, he's stupid.
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:06 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:...... SAA and friends need to keep their momentum and keep expanding red zones.

    Correct

    While this dog and pony show was on Douma got cleared out

    Time to get working on other areas, same as after those Israeli strikes, ignore the noise and grab more ground

    They didn't even lose a single soldier this time FFS, just some concrete and grass...

    Back to work

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  T-47 on Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:06 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:

    They hit Dumayr, that's where Buk-M2 are based.

    "Syrian air defense forces have intercepted all 12 cruise missiles, which had been used to attack the Dumeir military airfield, according to the Russian Defense Ministry."

    Buk-M2s worked well I think!

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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:12 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    They hit Dumayr, that's where Buk-M2 are based.

    "Syrian air defense forces have intercepted all 12 cruise missiles, which had been used to attack the Dumeir military airfield, according to the Russian Defense Ministry."

    Buk-M2s worked well I think!

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    I know, they probably dispersed them weeks ago.


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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  lulldapull on Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:14 pm

    guys its a safe bet now that next time the US announce a Tomahawk strike, everyone will bust out laughing.......lol

    This Tomahawk has become the new joke.....lol
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:22 pm

    OK, now everyone has vented on that is there any information out there as to what is happening about the OPCW inspection teams?
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:27 pm

    JohninMK wrote:OK, now everyone has vented on that is there any information out there as to what is happening about the OPCW inspection teams?

    Who cares about them ? lol1
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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:28 pm

    From today:

    OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Continues Deployment to Syria
    Saturday, 14 April 2018
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    THE HAGUE, Netherlands — 14 April 2018 — The Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will continue its deployment to the Syrian Arab Republic to establish facts around the allegations of chemical weapons use in Douma.

    The OPCW has been working in close collaboration with the United Nations Department of Safety and Security to assess the situation and ensure the safety of the team.

    https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-fact-finding-mission-continues-deployment-to-syria/?utm_source=hootsuite

    JohninMK wrote:OK, now everyone has vented on that is there any information out there as to what is happening about the OPCW inspection teams?

    Did the coalition strikes hit the alleged CW attack site?


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    Re: Syrian War: News #17

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:31 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:OK, now everyone has vented on that is there any information out there as to what is happening about the OPCW inspection teams?

    Did the coalition strikes hit the alleged CW attack site?
    Not as far as I can read.

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