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    Post  par far on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:33 am

    "RUSSIAN AEROSPACE FORCES RAIN HELL ON MILITANTS IN NORTHERN HAMA AND SOUTHERN IDLIB (VIDEOS)."

    https://southfront.org/russian-aerospace-forces-rain-hell-on-militants-in-northern-hama-and-southern-idlib-videos/

    "Russia Repels Drone Attack On Its Air Base In Syria."

    https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-april-25-2018-russia-repels-drone-attack-on-its-air-base-in-syria/
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:11 pm



    The actors of the fake chemical video presented by white helmets and used by NATO and all western
    propaganda. speak..

    Douma ‘attack’ witnesses speak at Russia-called OPCW briefing at The Hague (VIDEO)

    https://www.rt.com/news/425240-opcw-russia-syria-douma-witnesses/

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    Post  par far on Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:36 am

    "TURKEY IS SETTLING EASTERN QALAMUN MILITANTS IN SYRIA’S AFRIN REGION (PHOTOS)."

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    What are the chances that is a deal between Russia and Turkey?

    This is from one of the comments.

    "Just as I guessed few months ago: This is an agreed change of ethnic structure in Syria. Turks do not want Kurds near their borders. Assad does not want rebels and their families in his cities. Removing them to the territories previously inhabited by Kurds is a win-win situation both for Assad and Erdogan. We had a similar project in Yugoslavia in 1934, when our king Alexander the 1st ("the Unifier") had an idea to take a huge loan from french banks, buy all the property (land, houses, cattle and similar) from Kosovo Albanians, put them on trains and send to Anadolia in Turkey where Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was ready to settle them in regions previously inhabited by Armenians. The king was assassinated in a joint attack of Macedonian and Croatian separatists in Marseilles, during his official visit to France, on October 9th 1934, so his project remained unfinished. But had he succeeded to implement it, there would be no NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999, as Albanians would disappear from Kosovo some 60-65 years before. I bet that in the next phase (after clearing the south of Damascus and Al Rastan pocket) Assad is going to get if not the entire Idlib, then at least the eastern part of it, so that he has a direct road connection between Hamma and Aleppo (Highway M-5). And all those rebels will be transported to the territories taken by Turkey from Kurds."

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:39 am

    any project of Erdogan in northen Syria is doomed to fail.. Because is not only about holding territory ,
    but about developing it and turning it ,into a zone that society will like to live.. Once Erdogan killed or removed in
    a coup , all his gain in Syria will be reversed.. or Kurds insurgency will bleed Turkey army in AFrin.. and this only
    will lead to bad image for Erdogan.. and Turk people will get tired of Erdogan adventures and intervensionism in Syria
    and so will demand all troops to return.. Americans also will have to leave too... public opinion will only grow strong against US presence  there in Syria.. So only Syrians and Kurds will stay.    IDLIB region was never pro Assad ,but
    anti Assad. So Syria integrating with it..with open borders could become a trojan horse to destabilize all Syria again.. with civil unrest. Which is what NATO last plan ...plan C or PLAN D wants.. they want to create an election using ALL Syria territory ,while them holding Kurds zones.. and import Anti Assad opposition from turkey or kurds from all over the world.. so to do what  they did in hawaii .. where the natives became a minority...and lost their independence, by flooding Hawaii with Anglo americans.

    more on the fake chemical attack. in duma.



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    Post  RTN on Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:23 am

    Mindstorm wrote:On a more important note and as already stressed-out previously, the spectacular failure of the last cruise missile attack by part of US-UK and France (in particular against all the military installations targeted at the defence of which was placed purposely the few batteries of the most advanced SAM systems available to Syrian armed forces) in those days already begin to create the first doctrinal lessons about cruise missile employment and the same feasibility of the concept of the conventional "contactless war" around whioch has been constructed mainly the the Western warfare doctrine.


    An interesting article of Константин Сивков about the subject

    https://vpk.name/news/213422_globalnyii_udar_medlenno_i_pechalno.html


    Instead of displaying images of purported US cruise missiles that were apparently intercepted over Syrian airspace why doesn't the Russian Government show concrete video evidence of those interception ?

    Did a few cruise missiles miss their targets ? Maybe. However, it is also widely known ( as the French defense ministry stated) Russia was informed in advance about the impending air strike.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:01 am

    Once again why should the Russians do it? You wanted fragments you had some. Case closed. Now it is still baffling how quiet this matter has been treated on the other side. If it wasn’t for the French you or would be still pissing against the wind now.
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    Post  Mindstorm on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:01 am



    RTN wrote:Instead of displaying images of purported US cruise missiles that were apparently intercepted over Syrian airspace why doesn't the Russian Government show concrete video evidence of those interception ?


    Razz Razz Razz I am sure that the butthurt level among westeners about the last moves of Federation MoD both on the irrefutable proofs of cruise missile interceptions side that on the side of debunking the grossly staged chemical attack must be in those moments even higher than that generated by seeing the same foundation of theirs warfare doctrine against a peer/near-peer opponent (opening massed cruise missile attacks) being crushed by an IAD literally thousands of times less advanced, dense and extended than that of Federation.

    What Federation MoD has publicly shown are some of the samples in its possession of the most irrefutable proofs possible of massed cruise missiles interception by part of AD systems, a thing that has had a very high cost both in time that in resources but has been a correct choice to furtherly ridicule the Pentagon version - next time a Pentagon official or speaker will say anything about any military operation, any knowledgeable people will see it under a completely darker light).

    Over all that, the missiles now in examination in Moscow (in particular the US air-delivered one Cool that has been downed hadving received only secondary damages to aerodynamic actuators from proximity interceptors detonation) will provide further refinements to our target discrimination software and will be very useful also to model chances of success of the basket program on which US Navy has put all its AShM eggs Very Happy


    For the US this attack has been a true disaster, majority of people cannot understand how much.....
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    Post  tomazy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:46 am

    RTN wrote:
    Instead of displaying images of purported US cruise missiles that were apparently intercepted over Syrian airspace why doesn't the Russian Government show concrete video evidence of those interception ?

    Forget about video evidance of the intercepts, this is boring. What I would like to see is video evidance of 76 missiles hitting the same target, that would be awesome.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:33 pm

    SAA using laser guided artillery in northern Hama near to Turkish observation point.

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/watch-syrian-army-laser-guided-artillery-destroys-multiple-rebel-technicals-near-turkish-forces-in-north-hama/


    This is exactly how to deal with the scum in areas such as this and Turkey can't complain.

    The SAA has 2S1, 2S4, S-23, 160mm mortars, M240, D-20, D-30, 2S3 majority can use laser guided ammo. All good at urban conflicts.

    2S4 and M240 = smelchak and cluster ammo.
    D-20 & 2S3 = krasnopol & HEAT-FS (3km)
    D-30 & 2S1 = KM-8 GRAN, kitolov-2, krasnopol-M, anti armour HE, cluster, flechette.
    S-23 180mm = concrete piercing


    I am sure that Russia has likely sent more 2S1, 2S3, 2S9 and a shitload of various laser guided rounds. I am surprised that Russia hasn't changed sent 2S7, 2S5, & 2A36 all would be ideal. Laser guided 203mm rounds ouch.

    Does anyone know if the 2S5/2A36 have use of laser guided rounds? Krasnopol? Am sure it wouldn't take much to produce laser guided rounds for them and S-23 180mm & 160mm mortar.

    The good thing about 2S1 and 2S3 is that they can also be used in direct fire role targeting buildingsand vehicles with HE, HEAT-FS rounds. I've seen video footage of 2S1 being used in syria as such.

    Chosta/hosta would also be useful in syria.

    The advantage of using guided artillery ammo apart from the obvious (cheaper than aircraft/missiles) but also no warning the USA can't warn it's terrorists on a potential strike.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:36 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:

    RTN wrote:Instead of displaying images of purported US cruise missiles that were apparently intercepted over Syrian airspace why doesn't the Russian Government show concrete video evidence of those interception ?


    Razz Razz Razz  I am sure that the butthurt level among westeners about the last moves of Federation MoD both on the irrefutable proofs of cruise missile interceptions side that on the side of debunking the grossly staged chemical attack must be in those moments even higher than that generated by seeing the same foundation of theirs warfare doctrine against a peer/near-peer opponent (opening massed cruise missile attacks) being crushed by an IAD literally thousands of times less advanced, dense and extended than that of Federation.

    What Federation MoD has publicly shown are some of the samples in its possession of the most irrefutable proofs possible of massed cruise missiles interception by part of AD systems, a thing that has had a very high cost both in time that in resources but has been a correct choice to furtherly ridicule the Pentagon version - next time a Pentagon official or speaker will say anything about any military operation, any knowledgeable people will see it under a completely darker light).

    Over all that, the missiles now in examination in Moscow (in particular the US air-delivered one Cool that has been downed hadving received only secondary damages to aerodynamic actuators from proximity interceptors detonation) will provide further refinements to our target discrimination software and will be very useful also to model chances of success of the basket program on which US Navy has put all its AShM eggs Very Happy

     
    For the US this attack has been a true disaster, majority of people cannot understand how much.....    

    Baikal-M (reportedly deployed in Syria) has really proven itself it seems, showcasing that even ancient IAD can be still be useful against mass missile attacks. Baikal-M is going to be a hot commodity on the arms market place after this event.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:31 pm

    This is hot news if true. The US or Saudi perhaps, supplying tanks to terrorists. Wonder what their journey was.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This is hot news if true. The US or Saudi perhaps, supplying tanks to terrorists. Wonder what their journey was.


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    I will be damned if I buy this variant. I mean the Tanks could have been brought by the US, but when? Probably at best around 2014. But I cannot find visual confirmation for the fleet until 2015 around December.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:44 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:On a more important note and as already stressed-out previously, the spectacular failure of the last cruise missile attack by part of US-UK and France (in particular against all the military installations targeted at the defence of which was placed purposely the few batteries of the most advanced SAM systems available to Syrian armed forces) in those days already begin to create the first doctrinal lessons about cruise missile employment and the same feasibility of the concept of the conventional "contactless war" around whioch has been constructed mainly the the Western warfare doctrine.


    An interesting article of Константин Сивков about the subject

    https://vpk.name/news/213422_globalnyii_udar_medlenno_i_pechalno.html


    Instead of displaying images of purported US cruise missiles that were apparently intercepted over Syrian airspace why doesn't the Russian Government show concrete video evidence of those interception ?

    Did a few cruise missiles miss their targets ? Maybe. However, it is also widely known ( as the French defense ministry stated) Russia was informed in advance about the impending air strike.

    Dude ,people were first saying Russia MOD needs to show evidence it intercepted NATO missiles.. and now you asking
    for Interception videos.. when those already exist since the very day of the attacks.. Look backward many pages ago..there are plenty of videos of that..  there is even one hour video , i posted that shows Damascus air space at night.. it was largely peaceful...and with random interceptions in Sky.. after 105 missile attacks , there should be
    things burning no ? then nothing of that was visible in the video.. no visible fires anywhere.. So if you fire 105 missiles
    to a city.. there should be fires everywhere no?   So adding all the dots together.. it seems most missiles fall in the sand.. and did not reach their intended targets.. this should explain why lack of fires in Syria.. and that that NATO only hits were ~22 from 105 just like Russia said it was ..and that hit only an abandoned empty civilian building
    and hit near a storage place in Syria... With zero storage places hit ,zero chemical weapons hit, zero runways hit ,zero combat planes hit ,zero military , zero Syrian Government buildings hit ,and military bases largely intact.

    If you look at the videos released by Russia Military,, of NATO cruise missiles.. you will see the parts does not show Fire burning damage.and indication the missile did not exploded or hit its target.. instead looks like shrapnels hit the missiles parts.. everywhere. and Syrian air defenses shred the missile in many parts. the impacts of shrapnel on NATO missiles are clearly illustrated by Russia. like a triangle shape hole. which is indicative of Air Defense interception.
    Even the motherboard of a TomaHawk missiles was intact.. not burned.. indicative the missile did not exploded..
    still show external damage... NATO told no missiles were intercepted.. and Russia shows evidence they did..
    so NATO 0 and Russia 1.  Nato will need to show evidence they hit 76 times an abandoned pharmaceutical civilian research center and 29 times a storage place..  Even for the average person.. launching 76 missiles at just 1 abandoned civilian facility..(what NATO claims they did) is Insanity... when just 1-2 missiles per building (3 buildings) will have been more than enough to totally destroy it.. that is 5-6 missiles will have been enough to totally destroy the research center. So NATO story makes no sense or logic.. of why drops 75% of their missiles in just one civilian facility.. Neutral . The only possible explanation is they lying.. they attacked most important Syria military facilities ,. but only hit the less defended abandoned ones.. and Russia did show evidence of missiles destroyed by shrapnels ,in their destroyed tomahawks shown to public recently.
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:56 pm

    We are all too kind to the yanks on this forum . I think it is to do with Russian's tendency to be truthful . If it was me , I would have agreed with Trump , saying these tomococo missiles are super smart . I agree with them next time they claim hundred percent hit . In fact I arrange for body parts and aircraft parts and I dig holes to prove they all hit target . These are expensive missiles and we should encourage them to use it . Not tell them they are crap . So they waste time .

    Settling people in camps is Ok . If possible near their previous homes . But if not , then new areas . However Turkey should not make mistake of creating ethnic getto , but create areas where different people are settled and are given work . In workshops . Or farms . Where they have to mix . A healthy environment . All internal displaced people should be encouraged to live in mixed camp areas .

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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:17 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:This is hot news if true. The US or Saudi perhaps, supplying tanks to terrorists. Wonder what their journey was.


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    I will be damned if I buy this variant. I mean the Tanks could have been brought by the US, but when? Probably at best around 2014. But I cannot find visual confirmation for the fleet until 2015 around December.

    They probably bought it to a guy working for a russian arm seller lol1 lol1

    So they gave the money to a kazahk and russian bombers probably destroyed those vehicles the day they came inside Syria because they were following the tanks since the begining.

    Again US spend money for nothing.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:28 pm

    Thierry Meyssan a french journalist who moved to Syria.. to report from the war.. and still living there,
    have been providing information , behind the scenes from the Syrian war.. since 2011 to 2018...and his information and reports have been very accurate at times.. however his predictions many times never happens.. So he failed to predict NATO future moves most times.. but about when it comes to insider information he have been right most times.

    Apparently the attack on Syria according to his sources (inside Syria government and military)
    was much more hostile that we though..it was a full scale aggression against Syria .what they planned.
    including destroying The Presidential palace that was targeted too..  and Syria air defenses were overwhelm at some point ,forcing Russia to use Electronic warfare to confuse NATO warships and help Syria to deal with the magnitude
    of the Attack.. basically he says Russia jammed French Warships and many launchers jammed. This amazing
    claim , goes in line with one of  Russia top Military General that in sputnik told .it was strange how disorganized
    was NATO attack and how rare it was for Russia military that NATO warships had the capability to launch
    300 missiles but only fired 105.  Cool

    So  this suggest a connection between Thierry report that Russia blocked many missiles launches from NATO
    with the Report of Russian General , mentioning how NATO had Troubles of coordination and how "Strange"
    it was that NATO did not fired the 300 missiles ,they had deployed for the attack and instead fired 105..
    also he mentioned how rare was that it took NATO so long to do the attack.. more than 1 hour.. to do something
    they could do in half..  Theirry also mentions the chasing of British submarines by Russian submarines.. Laughing
    This last info was also reported by SPutnik.. Cool

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article200905.html


    The more time passes since the allied attack against Syria on 14 April 2018, the more the available information reveals the amplitude of the disaster. While the United States still mange to prevent leaks from their armies, those from France are irrevocable. Washington, Paris and London clearly demonstrated that they still intend to rule the world, but they also showed that they no longer have the means to do so.





    One week after the allied attack against Syria, very many questions remain unanswered concerning the objectives of this operation and its implementation. And the few established facts contradict the official Western declarations.

    The objectives of the bombing
    According to the Western version of the story, these bombing attacks were not aimed at overthrowing the Syrian Arab Republic (which they call « Bachar’s régime »), but to sanction the use of chemical weapons.

    However, no proof of the use of such weapons has been published. Instead, the three allies each broadcast evaluations based on the original video published by the White Helmets [1] — a video which was itself later contradicted by many of the people who appear in it, as well as the personnel of the hospital where it was filmed [2].

    On the contrary, we are justified in asking whether the real objective of these raids may indeed have been to overthrow the Republic. This seems to be confirmed by the fact that missiles were fired at the Presidential palace in Damascus. This is also the interpretation by Russia, for whom the real Allied objective was to counter the « success of the Syrian armed forces in the fight to liberate their territory from international terrorism ».

    The destruction of the pharmaceutical research centre in Barzeh remains a mystery. This installation was in no way secret. It had been created with the help of France. The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons inspected it five times and found nothing that could be linked to research on chemical weapons [3]. According to officials, in the context of international sanctions, the laboratory was carrying out research on anti-cancer products. It was not guarded, and there were no victims in the collapse of the buildings. Neither did the collapse cause the dispersion of chemical agents into the atmosphere. This situation can not help but remind us of the destruction by the United States of the Al-Shifa factory in Sudan. In 1998, President Bill Clinton ordered its destruction, implemented by a salvo of four Tomahawk missiles, for a cost of one dead and ten wounded. The US intelligence services had assured that the laboratory was developing nerve gases for Oussama Ben Laden. It turned out later that it was Sudan’s main centre for the production of generic medicines [4]. In particular, it made anti-AIDS medicine without paying the license to Gilead Science, a company directed by Donald Rumsfeld and George Schultz [5].

    The implementation of the operation
    The Allies claim to have fired 105 missiles, while the Russians counted 103 [6]. The coordination between the different armies was handled by NATO, although it claimed no responsibility [7]. In conformity with its statutes, the Organisation acted with the approval of the North Atlantic Council, although this is not yet certain. Indeed, the Council had not been consulted before the bombing of Tripoli (Libya), in 2011, and no-one protested. The aim of this coordination was to ensure that all the missiles fired, whether from the Mediterranean, the Red Sea, and the air, would all hit their targets at the same moment. However, things did not go as planned – although the Allied operation was to have been finished within half an hour, in fact it took 1 hour and 46 minutes between the first and final shot.

    Prior to the attack, Russia had announced that it would riposte if any of its soldiers were killed. The Allied armies were therefore tasked with the mission of being careful to spare them.

    However, the Russian army observed the shots and transmitted the coordinates of the Allied missiles to the Syrian Arab Army in real time, in order to allow the Syrians to destroy them. Besides this, when the Syrians became swamped by the number of allied missiles, the Russian army deployed its system for inhibiting the commands and controls of NATO, which paralysed most of their launchers. This was the first time that the French were confronted with this system, which had already caused problems for the United States and the British in the Mediterranean, the Black Sea and Kaliningrad.

    Besides this, two Russian ships left the port of Tartus to play cat and mouse with a British nuclear attack submarine. [8].

    According to the Russian and Syrian staff, 73 missiles were destroyed in flight , a figure which is haughtily contested by the Allied staff.  Yet, on the ground , everyone – including myself – could see the activity of the anti-aircraft defense, and no-one saw the impacts of the 105 allied missiles announced.

    The Allies immediately specified that any more precise information was classified. However, the specialised forums proffered all sorts of unverifiable revelations about the massive failure of this operation.

    The most that we know for certain is that a French plane was unable to fire one of its missiles, and was obliged to jettison it out to sea without triggering it [9], and that two French multi-mission frigates suffered a computer failure and were unable to fire their naval Cruise missiles [10] — these are symptoms that are well known by anyone who has had to face up to the Russian inhibitor weapon.

    The Syrian defence was over-run by the number of missiles which were fired from every direction. It therefore chose to defend in priority certain targets, like the Presidential palace, and to sacrifice others like the research centre in Bazeh. Since then, Russia has announced that it will be delivering new anti-missile batteries to Syria.

    In any case, this operation is clearly the greatest military fiasco since the Second World War.

    Western rhetoric
    These bombings are certainly illegal from the point of view of international law – none of the three aggressors has been attacked by the Syrian Arab Republic, and their action was not authorised by the Security Council.

    The Allies therefore communicated about the legality of their initiative. This was denied by the legal service of the German Bundestag. [11]. Indeed, apart from the fantastical character of the supposed attack in the Ghouta, this type of bombing in no way guarantees an end to the suffering of the civil population.

    As for France, it continually stressed that it was not going to war against « Bachar’s regime » - comments that were immediately contradicted by Syria, which returned President el-Assad’s Grand Cross of the Légion d’Honneur to the Romanian ambassador, who represents French interests in Damascus. « There is no honour for President Assad in wearing a decoration attributed by a slave régime of the United States which supports terrorists », declared the Presidential spokesman.

    Some authors close to NATO evoke the « responsibility of protection » (R2P) proclaimed by the UNO. Once again, that’s not the point. In fact, the R2P only applies in order to compensate failed states, which is clearly not the case of the Syrian Arab Republic, whose public services are still functioning after 7 years of war.

    Finally, while the United States, France and the United Kingdom showed with this operation that they exist outside of international law, they also showed that their armies are not what they used to be.

    Thierry Meyssan


    Probably the most important report of the aftermath of the NATO attack on Syria..  Cool

    Now on the subject of the mystery with the destruction of the pharmaceutical research centre in Barzeh.
    After looking the images from drones of the damages.. ie.. Does not correlate to the damage of cruise missiles..
    ie.. some tall buildings received no damages .but other right next to them collapsed ..  Neutral  and then we are supposed to believe NATO fired 76 missiles on them?  lol1

    Now i have 2 theories..

    1)Either The missiles attacks were staged between Russia and US ,to help Trump save face , with the
    deep state...since they wanted to bomb Syria and send a message to Russia. if this is the case ,this
    could allow Trump to silence his enemies ,and show the deep state that is pointless to launch cruise missiles
    against Syria.. since they can intercept vast majority of them.. from Russia point of view ,it will be better
    a war with a divided weakened US under Trump... with elites divided.. democrats vs republicans. and also give
    the reason to Trump that no military solution possible for Syria. if it was all 100% staged fight. then probably
    the missiles not even had explosives inside.. just an empty tube ,which will explain the lack of fires and smoke
    in Syria after the attack.

    2)Or.. that Syria with Russia help intercepted+jammed+blind the missiles to crash early, to 95%- 99% of the missiles.. but to help Trump save face   of the total failure of the attack ,something that could force Congress to demand an even larger attack to restore the image of US... Then Russia ordered Syrian army to bomb its own research center with precision artillery ,or just deploy bombs in some buildings base to make them collapse.. and make it look NATO missiles effectively destroyed Assad Chemical Facility.. and allowing Trump to say "Mission accomplish. " Assad got "punished".

    It have to be told.. that NATO ,specially France and US ,knew very well there was nothing in the research center
    of value.. it was just a pharmaceutical developed by France and inspected by United nations monitors many times
    and got cleared... So the attack on the research center was 100% symbolical..  but what is really a mystery for me
    is the damages of the research center.. do not appear to be from very powerful missiles.. but that it was an inside Job by Syrian army.. to give something to NATO ,so they can save face.. for their failed attack..and not have to deal with
    the Deep State pressure to do another attack.

    So Russia disable some launchers of NATO warships and jammed many missiles and nearly defeated vast majority
    of the missiles.. from 95% to 99%. and the research center destruction was staged . And it was empty anyway and no longer in use.

    im my opinion ,the most likely scenario is #2... NATO failed almost completely the attack 95%- 99%,
    and some theater was done after it .. to give NATO a reason to retreat.. since finally Assad "ost its "chemical
    stock piles.". with the bombing. but there is a small possibility that the number#1case, was what really  happened.

    but more likely is #2...with a little bit assurance and coordination to avoid Russian army casualties..
    if #2 theory is right.. then NATO Navies will be in very serious trouble ..in real war with Russia.
    warships computers can be disable and missiles jammed and intercepted. and british stealth submarines not
    so stealthy as it was told....  Laughing
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:20 am

    Does anyone know if the 2S5/2A36 have use of laser guided rounds? Krasnopol? Am sure it wouldn't take much to produce laser guided rounds for them and S-23 180mm & 160mm mortar.

    The Soviets/ Russians developed gun tube launched laser homing missiles for every tank and artillery calibre on land from 100mm and above... so three different 100mm missiles (one for the rifled 2A80 gun of the BMP-2, plus one for the rifled gun of the T-54/55, and one for the smooth bore 100mm gun of the MT-12), plus 120mm mortar and 120mm gun/mortar, 122mm, 125mm, 130mm, 152mm, 160mm, 180mm, 203mm, and 240mm.
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    Post  RTN on Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:04 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:Over all that, the missiles now in examination in Moscow (in particular the US air-delivered one Cool that has been downed hadving received only secondary damages to aerodynamic actuators from proximity interceptors detonation)

    Missile parts handed over by Assad to Moscow after they blew his chemical weapons factories till kingdom comes.

    Do your Russian defense industry a favor by releasing videos of Russian air defense systems downing NATO missiles. Trust me it will help you guys in your sales pitch when you approach third world nations with your weapons.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:15 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:Over all that, the missiles now in examination in Moscow (in particular the US air-delivered one Cool that has been downed hadving received only secondary damages to aerodynamic actuators from proximity interceptors detonation)

    Missile parts handed over by Assad to Moscow after they blew his chemical weapons factories till kingdom comes.

    Do your Russian defense industry a favor by releasing videos of Russian air defense systems downing NATO missiles. Trust me it will help you guys in your sales pitch when you approach third world nations with your weapons.

    I am most amused by your comment "Discussion Is To Find Out WHAT Is Right"

    Yet you offered up nothing to show what you say is right.

    There is nothing to suggest those are missile parts from the building, provide evidence rather than act like a typical US fanboy otherwise you are no better than the Russian fanboys.

    Instead, you responded with a typical Fanboy comment, in the end, all you have done here is shown yourself to be an idiot.
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    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:27 pm

    RTN wrote:Missile parts handed over by Assad to Moscow after they blew his chemical weapons factories till kingdom comes.

    LaughingLaughingLaughing What has been bring to Moscow -and has been for obvious reasons not shown at MoD conference - are two mostly intact CM (particularly for a "very interesting" US air-delivered one, only secondary damages to aerodynamics actuators caused by proximity AD interceptor detonation that have caused it to spin out control losing progressively altitude).

    About the actual fragments shown (representing only a demonstrative part of those available to joint Russian-Syrian analysis team), them prove in an irrefutable way the interception and downing of a very high number of cruise missiles by part of AD sdystem and obviously the ridiculous lies uttered by the Pentagon about the 76 missiles aimed at the Barzah Research Center or the 22 aimed at the Him Shinshar weapon storages and that Syryan Air Defense had : "shot about 40 SAM missiles, in an unguided way, after the last westren cruise missile had hit "  Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    As usual with theirs, pathological, low IQ lies ,among which : irrefutable proofs in theirs possession, rationally completely inconsistent and all obviously not presentable because...... secrets   Laughing  Laughing (after Colin Powell at the UN is better to add the "secret-covered" card to that kind of b...hit ) phantasious "chemical weapon attacks" conducted supposedly by Syrian Republic forces" always after having achieved decisive victories against the west-backed terrorists and always unexplicably against civil women and childrens or nervin agents with very short time of metabolic persistence found in high concentrations and pure status in the Skripal's samples provided by the UK authorities to the OPWC, western PR machine demonstrate to not have the minimum level of shame in uttering theirs claims.

    You are the perfect example of WHY so incredibly inconsistent, under a strict rational point of view, western-propaganda-generated lies can survive uncontested in 2018 in majority of western media.    

    Anyway in mine post n. 287 at the "Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13" thread you can see the updated infomations about the attack

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7214p275-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-13

    Observe the serious approach of federation team in identification of point and number of impacts at the few sites actually hit by western CM (that western officials has been forced to shamelessly declare as the unique targets of theirs 105 missiles Razz ) and area of interception of cruise missile in this video



    and confront with your own eyes what sustained by Federation MoD analysts with the various after-strike pics of the sites.
    After that see the conferences of Pentagon and observe the different level of precision, seriousness and reliability of theirs claims and decide coldly, by yourself, what is the credible version among the two.

    About the the samples of CM fragments downed see this one

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:01 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:Over all that, the missiles now in examination in Moscow (in particular the US air-delivered one Cool that has been downed hadving received only secondary damages to aerodynamic actuators from proximity interceptors detonation)

    Missile parts handed over by Assad to Moscow after they blew his chemical weapons factories till kingdom comes.

    Do your Russian defense industry a favor by releasing videos of Russian air defense systems downing NATO missiles. Trust me it will help you guys in your sales pitch when you approach third world nations with your weapons.

    There are a bunch of videos already. Some do show things that look like interceptions.

    But it's all a little hard to be sure. It's night time after all.

    What sort of videos do you have in mind?

    All we can say with near certainty is that 74 or however many it was missiles did not impact that building complex; nowhere near close. And at least one of their missiles failed and was a dud. So the US DoD lied for sure in their announcement.

    And it does appear that at least a few of those missiles were shot down. Owning to the pics of the British Storm Shadow wreckage, then the Tomahawk warhead in the Russian MoD press conference as well as parts of the missiles that look like they may have taken some shrapnel hits.
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    Post  Comradespud on Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:41 pm

    Interesting news from Eastbank of the Euphrates river, SAA is on the attack!

    https://southfront.org/syrian-army-attacks-us-backed-forces-enters-four-villages-in-deir-ezzor/

    A number of villages captured from SDF, it remains unclear if this is a operation carried out with the backing of the Syrian leadership or a mix of local and Iranian commanders; either way I would be surprised to see the offensive escalate further.

    There’s been reports of US air strikes in the area already to what effect remains yet to be seen.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:42 pm

    tomazy wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    Instead of displaying images of purported US cruise missiles that were apparently intercepted over Syrian airspace why doesn't the Russian Government show concrete video evidence of those interception ?

    Forget about video evidance of the intercepts, this is boring. What I would like to see is video evidance of 76 missiles hitting the same target, that would be awesome.

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    @RTN- dude lets get it straight if it not from dept of state or CNN it doesn't exist right? Patriot sales pitch is an example. In Yemen has incredible efficiency intercepting ALMOST 50% !!! yet lower of course.

    of stone age era  Soviet AA S-125 missiles converted into ballistic missiles.  In primitive Houtties workshops. Wahdda hi tech!  USA USA USA
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:15 pm

    Comradespud wrote:Interesting news from Eastbank of the Euphrates  river, SAA is on the attack!

    https://southfront.org/syrian-army-attacks-us-backed-forces-enters-four-villages-in-deir-ezzor/

    A number of villages captured from SDF, it remains unclear if this is a operation carried out with the backing of the Syrian leadership or a mix of local and Iranian commanders; either way I would be surprised to see the offensive escalate further.

    There’s been reports of US air strikes in the area already to what effect remains yet to be seen.

    Not really on the attack.

    As I understand it, it seems that these three villages through out the SDF. After a few days they invited the SAA, or more accurately some SAA related Arab forces i.e. locals, in. These moved in and the SDF, backed by Coalition aircraft reasserted control. The SDF noe appear to be moving against a couple of other villages that had made the swap earlier.

    All part of the problems that the Kurdish controlled SDF has in maintaining control in the Arab parts of Syria it now controls.
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    Post  RTN on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:28 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    All we can say with near certainty is that 74 or however many it was missiles did not impact that building complex; nowhere near close. And at least one of their missiles failed and was a dud. So the US DoD lied for sure in their announcement.

    And it does appear that at least a few of those missiles were shot down. Owning to the pics of the British Storm Shadow wreckage, then the Tomahawk warhead in the Russian MoD press conference as well as parts of the missiles that look like they may have taken some shrapnel hits.

    Yeah, fair enough. I too agree that a few of those cruise missile - Tomahawk, Storm Shadow/SCALP may have been shot down by Syrian air defense systems. But certainly not the majority of them as claimed by the Russian MoD & the Assad regime.

    Also, all the videos released by the Russian MoD or the Syrian government about the downing of the missiles are inconclusive. Frankly they prove nothing. Again, I'm not saying that none of the missiles were shot down, just that no concrete proof has been released so far.

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