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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:30 pm

    Chapter and verse on the startup of the OPCW mission to Syria.

    https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ecm58dg01_e_.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MEDIA%20ALERT%20OPCW%20Director-Generals%20Update%20to%20the%2058th%20Executive%20Council%20Meeting%20on%20Syria&utm_content=MEDIA%20ALERT%20OPCW%20Director-Generals%20Update%20to%20the%2058th%20Executive%20Council%20Meeting%20on%20Syria%20Preview%20CID_c00a628f3ab82f2064200f17b2653443&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=update%20here
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  nomadski on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:37 pm

    Agree . The small , high mobility SAM in low altitude , seems better . I am glad they are using optical and laser guided missiles . I think they should now just use these . As they seem good enough , without using radar guided ones . To stop any electronic leaks . Save these frequency safe for attacking planes . Like F18 . I also think , more use could be made of using cheaper optical guided AAA . By training staff . I think this will have lower cost . And unjammable .


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:53 pm

    From the blackening around it and the stuff on the ground I'd say this gun has been there and used for quite a while.

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    Important:
    From the center of #Douma #Syria
    One of many weapons the terrorists of Jaish Al Islam left behind them:

    A D-20 152mm artillery piece

    Yes you heard it right
    Who accused the Syrian Government of conducting a CW attack used to bombard #Damascus with 152mm shells.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:From the blackening around it and the stuff on the ground I'd say this gun has been there and used for quite a while.

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    Important:
    From the center of #Douma #Syria
    One of many weapons the terrorists of Jaish Al Islam left behind them:

    A D-20 152mm artillery piece

    Yes you heard it right
    Who accused the Syrian Government of conducting a CW attack used to bombard #Damascus with 152mm shells.



    But Assad dropped barrel bombs!
    This is a moderate cannon, move along, nothing to see here.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:31 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    But Assad dropped barrel bombs!
    This is a moderate cannon, move along, nothing to see here.


    meeh this is surely backer machinery. Assad bombs bakeries and orphanages in his free time.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:57 am

    Israeli air attack took place about an hour ago. Looks like another launch from Lebanon job. Some confusion of the target, which was an airbase, but 5 missiles claimed downed. Looks like the Buk took most down.

    Another Israeli fail. They won't like it, especially as they are adding to the Russian SAM success section in the sales brochure.


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    Update7: official Syrian source six Israel missiles targeted Shuayrat airbase, all six were also shot down successfully


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    Update6: official Syrian military source, three Israeli missiles targeted Dumayr airbase, all there were shot down successfully


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    #Syria #Homs #Qalamoun All New Reports by Syrian Media Men / Media are talking about the two airports that #Israel #Israeli Air Force tried to target were Dumayr & Shuayrat - 6 at Shuayrat & 3 At Dumayr - Total of 9 Rockets. Allegedly ALL of them destroyed by Syrian Air Defence



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    Just got more info: Russians are present at the Dumayr Airport that was targeted by Israel. The Russian soldiers there are part of a reconciliation team that was negotiating with the rebels in the town of Dumayr





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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:06 am

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

    Actually even west media said it wasn't a chemical attack ...
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:11 am

    JohninMK wrote:Israeli air attack took place about an hour ago. Looks like another launch from Lebanon job. Some confusion of the target, which was an airbase, but 5 missiles claimed downed.




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    Update7: official Syrian source six Israel missiles targeted Shuayrat airbase, all six were also shot down successfully


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    Update6: official Syrian military source, three Israeli missiles targeted Dumayr airbase, all there were shot down successfully



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    BREAKING: First video of #Israel|i Air Force (#IAF) strike against al-Shayrat Air Base in East of #Homs showing a SyADF SAM launched at the ballistic missile. According to #Syria|n Air Defense Force, Ballistic Missiles used in this attack. Some of which were shot down.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:01 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    But Assad dropped barrel bombs!
    This is a moderate cannon, move along, nothing to see here.


    meeh this is surely backer machinery. Assad bombs bakeries and orphanages in his free time.

    Don't be silly, it's a margarita machine (non alcoholic one of course, otherwise it would be haram)

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  lycantrop on Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:09 am

    So Israelis now targeting bases knowing there are dozens of russians stationed there?
    What the hell is the tactic behind this madness? They think there will bo no consequences?
    If the reports are correct russia MUST! react, russia cannot tolerate such behavior, otherwise we will see soon dead russian soldiers by israeli missiles!
    Hitting Syrians or Iranians is one thing, but attacking russian soldiers is next level of madness, not even US has balls to do this.
    I think Israelis want to draw USA into direct confrontation as soon as russia will shoot those bastards down...
    This is also the result of Putins "weakness", not confronting the Israelis properly...


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:12 am



    @WaelAlRussi
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    Israeli jets and from above #Lebanon and from North of Israel
    Launched multiple stand-off missiles into Al Shuyrat-Dumyar-T4 ABs
    All hostile objects shoot down
    I can confirm that Shuyrat AB is completely intact
    And #Syria/n AD Forces launched multiple missiles including 4 S-200




    Israeli missiles target military base allegedly filled with Russian soldiers: unconfirmed





    BEIRUT, LEBANON (2:00 A.M.) – The Syrian Air Defense has downed three Israeli missiles over the strategic Dumayr Airbase in eastern Damascus, Al-Mayadeen News reported tonight.

    According to a field source in Damascus, the targeted Dumayr Airport is allegedly filled with Russian military personnel that recently held reconciliation talks with the rebel forces in the area.

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    No one appears to be harmed, as no missiles landed on the Dumayr Military Airport.

    Al-Masdar has reached out to a Syrian military source at the Dumayr Airport to confirm.


    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-missiles-target-military-base-allegedly-filled-with-russian-soldiers-unconfirmed/



    Update: Syrian state media reports 9 Israeli missiles intercepted

    Syrian Air Defense fires more missiles at suspected warplanes after reports of Israeli jets entering from Lebanon




    Update:
    2 missiles managed to hit Dumyar AB near the ammo depots north east of #Damascus where #Russia has a presence.

    Missiles came from the south.


    It seems Israel firing Ballistic missiles from Golan heights.. This is getting ugly by the time..
    Now Israel targeting Russian positions in Syria..it seems... what will Russia military do ?

    Is clear the desperation of Israel about the failure of NATO operation ,is trying to incite a major war at any cost.
    and push NATO into starting again another Round..

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:21 am

    So looks like they're having another shot at the same targets (airbases)

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:34 am



    Many believe that this is Israel way to protest Russia announcement of deploying S-300 in Syria.

    and that they are trying to prevent it...by bombing the bases that those S-300s will likely be.

    another thing , they also could be provoking baiting Russia into a limited fight ,to force Russia


    into negotiations .. with Israel over Syria.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:45 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Many believe that this is Israel way to protest Russia announcement of deploying S-300 in Syria.
    and that they are trying to prevent it...by bombing the bases that those S-300s will likely be

    IMO it's likely to have the opposite effect

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:15 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    Many believe that this is Israel way to protest Russia announcement of deploying S-300 in Syria.
    and that they are trying to prevent it...by bombing the bases that those S-300s will likely be

    IMO it's likely to have the opposite effect

    Netanyahu and its defense minister are shooting in their own foots ,if start a war against Russia.. or at least continue
    threatening the security of its soldiers.. Because Russia can supply lethal weapons to IRAN and Hezbolah ,to guanrantee
    that any Israel adventure in Lebanon will fail miserably.. this is not mentioning how IRAN is warning israel that can get
    nukes from China.. if they feel the need for it. Contrary to what most people Think Israel is a fine Glass Power..
    it can do a lot of damage with its military to any country.. but it will break in just One hit with a heavy Russian hand hit.
    Since their territory is very small.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Mindless_drone on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:11 am

    Hi guys I’ve become some what a military enthusiast over the last year or so reading about the Syrian civil war and I’ve lurked this forum for sometime and finally made an account. I’ll post in the introduction section later.

    It seems in my opinion there is a lot of propaganda from both sides regarding the cruise missile strikes.

    US claims zero missiles shot down which doesn’t seem believable. Especially if there is a pantsir or buk battery in proper position to engage. Cruise missiles are hard to detect but not hard to shoot down. Also pentagon claims to fire 105 missiles to destroy 1 building and a few shacks. Doesn’t seem plausible.

    Russia’s claims are just as absurd. Shooting down 71/103 cruise missiles with sa3, sa5, sa6 and ossa seems quite absurd. I don’t think it’s even possible for sa3 or sa5 to engage cruise missiles.
    Obviously if pantsir and buk are in play the situation changes a little. But Russia specifically claimed at first that it was legacy Soviet sams doing most of the work.

    Most of the intercept footage displayed by Syria is not real. I could maybe see 2 or 3 interceptions that could be legit. Everything else was mindless AAA fire and SAMs being launched unguided in a ballistic flight path.


    This is a very prorussian forum.

    If pantsir and buk and even Soviet legacy sams have been very successful in this conflict at shooting down us cruise missiles and Israeli stand offs launched from Lebanon where is the proof? Where are the photos of missile wreckage’s? Where are the radar feeds showing direct hits on target? Why lack of video footage? Where is FlIR footage?

    If Russia’s claims of 71/103 missile shot down are true than pantsir, buk, and upgrades to legacy sams would be selling like hot cakes.

    Why doesn’t Russia just post radar feeds or FLIR footage to embarrass the US and sell more missiles world wide. Doesn’t make sense.

    Both sides just seem to be shitting propaganda out of their mouths.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:17 am

    Armchair generals know best~
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:19 am

    Why doesn’t Russia just post radar feeds or FLIR footage to embarrass the US and sell more missiles world wide. Doesn’t make sense

    Politics and diplomacy, they don't want to rock the boat more than they have to (at the moment)

    As for FLIR footage, trust me, prospective buyers of AA systems and radars will be getting a private viewing come next arms show

    As for accurate number of downed missiles, don't expect to learn the truth any time soon (or ever)

    Russia will keep saying 100% and USA will keep saying 0%, rinse and repeat as always

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Mindless_drone on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:28 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Why doesn’t Russia just post radar feeds or FLIR footage to embarrass the US and sell more missiles world wide. Doesn’t make sense

    Politics and diplomacy, they don't want to rock the boat more than they have to (at the moment)

    As for FLIR footage, trust me, prospective buyers of AA systems and radars will be getting a private viewing come next arms show

    As for accurate number of downed missiles, don't expect to learn the truth any time soon (or ever)

    Russia will keep saying 100% and USA will keep saying 0%, rinse and repeat as always

    The biggest problem I have with what you are saying is that the 2 different sides have an entirely different account of what happened.

    Us claims they only target chemical weapons related facilities.

    Russia claims they also targeted airfields. Why not atleast show radar feeds of missiles targeting airfields to catch the US in a lie and show the world this attack had nothing to do with any kind of chemical weapon attack.

    As obviously Syria doesn’t have any chemical weapons anymore.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:33 am

    In general, in our opinion, the information about the allegedly shot down 71 Syrian air defense cruise missile is obviously overstated (most likely, many times) and can not be taken seriously, especially in light of the overall total obsolete nature of most of the material part of the Syrian air defense forces.

    Why overstated?

    The weapons described are perfectly capable of bringing down low flying subsonic cruise missiles.. the only exception would be the S-200 which is intended for long range medium to high altitude interception of bombers...

    We have seen photos of the BUKs with short fins.... meaning SA-17s and not SA-11s, and the Pantsirs getting most of the kills, which is totally understandable... that is what they were designed for...

    The critical thing this report overlooks is the most difficult thing about a cruise missile attack is early warning and detection issues with low flying targets.

    The west gave the warning needed, and the Russians provided the coverage with ground based radar (with S-400 and S-300V4 systems etc) and also airborne radar too with the A-50U...

    I would suggest the west should be scared by the efficiency with some rather old SAM systems and Syrian AD forces... with some modern interceptor aircraft they could easily have done rather better because even a MiG-29SMT with R-60MK or R-73 would have been rather effective in intercepting such simple targets let alone R-27ET or ER missiles....

    Funny that the west is claiming none of their missiles were intercepted and declaring victory, while it seems the Israelis are trying to still get the job done... if the Israelis don't believe the west... who should?

    Russia’s claims are just as absurd. Shooting down 71/103 cruise missiles with sa3, sa5, sa6 and ossa seems quite absurd. I don’t think it’s even possible for sa3 or sa5 to engage cruise missiles.

    Osa killed quite a few cruise missiles in Desert Storm... working in an environment where there is no jamming and no SEAD threat OSA, SA-3, and SA-6 are perfectly capable of shooting down such easy targets as subsonic straight flying cruise missiles.

    The SA-3 is intended to shoot targets at low to medium altitude just like BUK... why do you think it could not hit a cruise missile?

    The only missile mentioned that would have problems would be S-200 and they said it didn't hit any with 8 missiles fired.

    Surely if they were lying it could have gotten one...

    If pantsir and buk and even Soviet legacy sams have been very successful in this conflict at shooting down us cruise missiles and Israeli stand offs launched from Lebanon where is the proof? Where are the photos of missile wreckage’s? Where are the radar feeds showing direct hits on target? Why lack of video footage? Where is FlIR footage?

    Why?

    Do you think they need to prove themselves to the west?

    What is the point?

    The west does not care about the truth... it would not have carried out this attack until there was actual evidence if they did.

    The fact that the west claimed it used 105 cruise missiles to destroy two buildings obviously shows truth has nothing to do with anything... let the west think their missiles work and Russian missiles don't...

    If Russia’s claims of 71/103 missile shot down are true than pantsir, buk, and upgrades to legacy sams would be selling like hot cakes.

    They are. And it will only get better with this little US floor show.

    Why doesn’t Russia just post radar feeds or FLIR footage to embarrass the US and sell more missiles world wide. Doesn’t make sense.

    Because this has nothing to do with Syria or Russia... it is about politics in the west.

    Trump wants to pretend he is hard on Russia and to do that he has to appear hard on Assad and Syria... and this little multi billion dollar spectacle provides this for US consumption... he wins so he can leave the battlefield a winner.

    Micron is having problems at home pushing through some things that will make poor people poorer and a couple of rich people much richer, so claiming he has protected the world by dealing to Assad is a way of deflecting obvious questions about why he is helping the rich minority and ignoring the poor majority...

    May is having problems with Brexit and all sorts of other shit she does not know how to deal with... then some people get poisoned so it must be putin, and now we saw some video on the internet that might show some people hosing down their children, which obviously means Putin has done something again... lets bomb Syria.

    None of this is anything to do with Russia so why should they care if the west lies to its people?

    Most of them watch CNN or BBC or NBC or whatever and think the worst of Russia anyway so who gives a fuck what they think?

    They can show the proof to customers when it comes time to sell... they can give the phone number of Syrian AD specialists who shot down these missiles, so new customers can talk to them about their experiences... the last people they want to hear about their success is the west... because when the western public hears about how pathetic their attack actually was... 94 missiles did not reach their target and the rest hit buildings empty since 2013, they will start to ask what 700 billion dollars a year is being spent on...

    From a Russian point of view that means a 900 billion a year spend to upgrade their cruise missile attack capability... which would not be great for Russia...


    Both sides just seem to be shitting propaganda out of their mouths.

    Only one side I can see getting caught in lies... maybe Porton Down can confirm the chemical attack in Syria was from Putins own personal bathroom lab he set up illegally in 2015?

    Ask Boris...


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:39 am

    In the dark, how do you prove a location?

    I doubt the video footage of the intercepts included local land marks for the tour...

    Nah... even if they publish the proof you will never see it on the western networks so it wouldn't make any difference anyway.

    Just ask yourself... 105 missiles against three targets?

    But none of them were shot down?

    And if the Russians are lying why not give all the missiles kills... why not make it a 100% kill rate and claim the buildings hit were damaged in artillery strikes a few weeks before...

    US claims it only hit chemical weapons targets... US also claims all Russian airstrikes in Syria only hit civilian hospitals and schools and churches...

    Who gives a fuck what the US claims?


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:48 am

    Mindless_drone wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Why doesn’t Russia just post radar feeds or FLIR footage to embarrass the US and sell more missiles world wide. Doesn’t make sense

    Politics and diplomacy, they don't want to rock the boat more than they have to (at the moment)

    As for FLIR footage, trust me, prospective buyers of AA systems and radars will be getting a private viewing come next arms show

    As for accurate number of downed missiles, don't expect to learn the truth any time soon (or ever)

    Russia will keep saying 100% and USA will keep saying 0%, rinse and repeat as always

    The biggest problem I have with what you are saying is that the 2 different sides have an entirely different account of what happened.

    Us claims they only target chemical weapons related facilities.

    Russia claims they also targeted airfields. Why not atleast show radar feeds of missiles targeting airfields to catch the US in a lie and show the world this attack had nothing to do with any kind of chemical weapon attack.

    As obviously Syria doesn’t have any chemical weapons anymore.

    So you want Russia to now say.. LALALALALA you did nothing... try again... lalala..'
    and provoke US ,UK and France to do a 300 hundreds missile attacks or 500 hundreds one ?

    Russia don't have enough assets in Syria to counter a very large offensive.. if you only have 5 bullets.. you can only kill 5 people.. at best.. So same is with missiles.. if Syria have an inventory of only 200 missiles ,then 200+1 will penetrate the defenses..  you also have the reloading limitations.. Buks carry 4-5 missiles... once you launch them.. takes
    30 minutes? or so to reload.. Pantsirs have 12 missiles and a gatling gun.. but eventually they will use all of them..
    and will take time to refill..  

    So for Russia is not important bragging rights. only reality is what matters.. Pentagon says no missiles were intercepted... and that "only hit research facilities in Syria" imagine that.. and that use 76 missiles to just destroy
    3 civilian buildings.. so this is no sense.. Usually  2-3 missiles is enough to destroy 3 buildings and not 76... when Russia use cruise missiles ,they only use 1 or 2 cruise missiles per Building complex of terrorist. using 76 for civilian targets is a real waste of missiles..  The real numbers is how Russia described it.. 71 intercepted , from 103.
    the others were jammed and crashed on sand or hit the research facilities.. my guess is from 10 to 20 missile hits
    their targets.. from 103..  So Syria performance stopping NATO cruise missiles through Jamming or interception
    had to be from 80% to 90%. success rate. safe bet is about ~85% success rate.
    Buks are soviet era missiles.. ,Pantsirs are more recent.. and those two did most of the job . but soviet missiles
    also managed to shot down cruise missiles too .

    Trump told no missiles were intercepted.. lol1 but videos released by Syria shows many interception..

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  Mindless_drone on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:59 am

    What you are saying vann is an actual theatre of the absurd.

    Russia is already claiming that the US attack failed. How would showing proof provoke them to attack anymore?

    If the US is lying about their success than they already know the attack failed. What you are saying makes zero sense. It’s completely illogical.

    Also you can’t jam cruise missiles. It’s impossible.

    How do you jam TERCOM? That’s another ridiculous propaganda claim by Russia. You can jam the GPS guidance but that just makes them a little less accurate. Tomohawk still has like 10 M cep with just TERCOM.

    I have no doubt the pentagon is lying about zero missiles being shot down. That’s obvious. But likewise Russia is lying as well.

    The whole argument from Garryb “ Russia doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone” is a convinient cop out. Lots of the world thinks Russian weapons are much worse than their western counterparts.

    How could Russia possibly pass up the opportunity to show that a TINY deployment of their newer weapons and some legacy sams can divert a MASSIVE cruise missile attack? That’s not supposed to be possible.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:24 am

    Russia is already claiming that the US attack failed. How would showing proof provoke them to attack anymore?

    Why would the western media start believing Russian claims now?

    If they believed them there never would have been an attack.

    If the US is lying about their success than they already know the attack failed. What you are saying makes zero sense. It’s completely illogical.

    Of course they know their attack failed... 105 missiles and three buildings hit... come on... you saying those 3 buildings took 30 hits each?

    That is what they are saying.

    Only the western media could believe that shit... mainly because they don't want to believe the alternative... like maybe there was not reason to attack in the first place... certainly not the one given anyway.

    Also you can’t jam cruise missiles. It’s impossible.

    Cruise missiles use radar height finding sensors to avoid hitting the ground... altering GPS signals so it thinks it is somewhere else, and those British and French missiles used optical IR backup guidance... which also can be interfered with... or are you suggesting it took 34 hits to destroy 3 buildings?

    How do you jam TERCOM? That’s another ridiculous propaganda claim by Russia. You can jam the GPS guidance but that just makes them a little less accurate. Tomohawk still has like 10 M cep with just TERCOM.

    Nobody said Tomahawks were jammed...


    I have no doubt the pentagon is lying about zero missiles being shot down. That’s obvious. But likewise Russia is lying as well.

    Basic common sense shows the Pentagon is lying, but why do you think it is obvious Russia is lying as well?

    What exactly is your proof they are lying... and don't say it is video of children getting hosed down in a hospital...

    The whole argument from Garryb “ Russia doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone” is a convinient cop out. Lots of the world thinks Russian weapons are much worse than their western counterparts.

    It is not a cop out it is again common sense... when you get the strap from the little lady teacher and it doesn't hurt you don't say it doesn't hurt... just pull a face pretending it hurts and go and sit down.

    If you laugh at the bitch she is just going to go get the vice principal and he will really make it hurt.

    Plenty of the world is buying Russian weapons and this will only increase demand...

    How could Russia possibly pass up the opportunity to show that a TINY deployment of their newer weapons and some legacy sams can divert a MASSIVE cruise missile attack? That’s not supposed to be possible.

    They are saying with that tiny deployment of some of their newer weapons and mostly old SAMs crippled a US/UK/French attack operated by Syrian AD specialists they have trained in the last year or two... and according to the west, no that is not possible, but Russia does not care what the west believes... they will be showing proof to their potential new clients on a need to know basis... Israel should be shitting itself...


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #17

    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:37 am

    @ Mindless_drone

    Ah the false equivalence spew.  

    Just stop it with your moronic both sides are lying BS.   One side (the USA) is claiming an outright absurdity of 0% misses even
    though the Tomahawks have an admitted 10-15% fail rate from the 1999 NATO gang rape of Serbia.    The other side provides
    very realistic numbers based on the mix of hardware including Russia's deployed systems which did not shoot anything but
    fed Syrian forces finely detailed tracking data.    The Pantsir was designed to take out slow speed targets like the Tomahawk.
    To claim that no Russian system could ever be 100% effective against this ancient US missile is total absurdity.    There is
    no physical limitation from having a 100% hit rate.   The Pantsir missiles have enough accuracy to take out any cruise missile
    if fed the proper real time tracking information.   And cruise missiles can be blown out of the sky with bullet swarm attacks,
    again if they are properly tracked, fly low enough and the system responds fast enough (which it can since the cruise missile
    is not engaged in high speed evasion maneuvers).

    Cruise missiles are only useful if they can avoid detection and that is why they are designed to fly at very low altitudes and hug
    the terrain.  In the case of Syria they have the problem of not enough topography to hide and systems have been built which
    are customized for cruise missile detection and tracking.   Radar technology did not stop evolving during the 1960s.   As demonstrated
    by Serbia in 1999, networking radar units vastly improves tracking information.    All modern Russian systems and upgraded Syrian
    systems are networked.  The same thing that makes cruise missiles able to hide is the same thing that makes them vulnerable attacks
    from the ground: their altitude.    Russia can track NATO missile attacks from their origin points, so it is basically game over for these
    "abuse some defenceless 3rd world country" "wunderwaffen".

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