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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:41 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Wut?

    Jews of what color? Light beige?

    GTFOH
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-north-african-jews-are-missing-from-the-holocaust-narrative-1.5629410
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_outside_Europe_under_Axis_occupation


    Nazis didn't reach Central Africa, what of it?


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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:44 pm

    Garry, paging Garry, four posts here for Talking Bollocks thread please.
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    Post  auslander on Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:53 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Werner Von Braun was a Nazi War Criminal... who looked after him and gave him a nice house and a very good paying job and all the resources he needed and brought all his mates over to the US too?

    Majority of Jews killed by Nazis during WW-II were jews of color. Not White Jews.

    Sadly, there are plenty of photos of Jews being slaughtered or after slaughter. Kindly provide one image of a 'Jew of colour'.
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:03 pm

    auslander wrote:Kindly provide one image of a 'Jew of colour'.

    Already provided the links in my previous post
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    Post  auslander on Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:20 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    auslander wrote:Kindly provide one image of a 'Jew of colour'.

    Already provided the links in my previous post

    Link to verified images? Wikipedia is, ummm, not a totally reliable source.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:52 am

    auslander wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    auslander wrote:Kindly provide one image of a 'Jew of colour'.

    Already provided the links in my previous post

    Link to verified images? Wikipedia is, ummm, not a totally reliable source.



    As a matter of fact the Germans even killed totally White Jews, even those who were blond.


    And what do the "colored" Jews look like?


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    Post  jhelb on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:44 am

    GarryB wrote:exactly the same as the racist way the Europeans and Americans look at half Asian Russians

    Europeans, Americans certainly envy Russians but why would they define us as half Asians? In US, Canada and UK, Russians are classified as Whites. Where is the racism? My point was inherently corrupt countries like India, African countries should be avoided by Russia. Instead Russia should concentrate on more lucrative markets like Mid East and China.

    Moreover, they are also a security threat to Russia because thousands of Africans and Indians enter Russia either illegally or refuses to go back once their visa expires. Deception is a way of life for them. Eventually Russian taxpayers have to pay millions to send these freeloaders back home. They are disliked in US and Europe for exactly this reason.

    Despite the hostilities on how many occasions did the US or EU have to send back truckloads of Russians back to Russia because they were living there illegally? Russians are recognized for their sheer talent. Silicon Valley will collapse without Russian engineers.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:14 pm

    On the other when they make tenders they never buy anything. Would be funny if pakistani mi-35 down some of those apaches. Well they won't even have time to go on battlefields as israeli made air defence systems will down them ...


    You forgot the canadian subs which spent 0 hours below waterline last year ...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:19 pm

    Isos wrote:On the other when they make tenders they never buy anything. Would be funny if pakistani mi-35 down some of those apaches. Well they won't even have time to go on battlefields as israeli made air defence systems will down them ...


    You forgot the canadian subs which spent 0 hours below waterline last year ...

    Thats because one of 3 of them caught on fire in the water about half a year after being purchased and took forever to modernize and fix them. The british told us not to even use them as they were scrap.

    Pakistan has Israeli AD systems?
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:27 pm

    Thats because one of 3 of them caught on fire in the water about half a year after being purchased and took forever to modernize and fix them. The british told us not to even use them as they were scrap.

    Pakistan has Israeli AD systems?

    Did they return money for the subs ? If not Canadians are as stupid as indians.

    No. India has Laughing (friendly fire against a mi-17 during the border clash)
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:19 am

    Being an European country, I realize it's difficult for Russia to understand such a below-average, slothful, incompetent race. But Russia will have to be extremely careful while dealing with these failed states.

    Oh please, the racist way you look down on Indians is exactly the same as the racist way the Europeans and Americans look at half Asian Russians... genetically predisposed to evil and doing bad... genetically hard wired to be wrong... not my words... the words of a US official who was not fired for saying so.

    Of course how can you be judged fairly in the west when Americans judge countries by their worst events.... Russia is Stalin, while they view their own country based on its best intentions... ie the US is trying to save the world(s oil).

    Everyone wants money to make their lives and the lives of those around them comfortable... if they get it it will change even the most socialist into a money grabbing monster. Social experiments show that students at university doing courses in economics spend the least on charity and give the least of their time to work helping others in their community... and it just gets worse as they progress through their courses... very unchristian...
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:42 am

    Europeans, Americans certainly envy Russians but why would they define us as half Asians?

    Envy? You mean despise... if they envied you they would try to be your friend and try to adopt your culture instead of trying to obliterate it and steal your stuff.

    They are jealous that you possess so much territory and much of that territory is largely untouched by mining companies and therefore retains it mineral wealth unlike their own countries they have already stripped bare...

    In US, Canada and UK, Russians are classified as Whites. Where is the racism?

    You can say things about Russians in the west you can't even say about any other group, including people who think they can decide day to day what their gender is.

    My point was inherently corrupt countries like India, African countries should be avoided by Russia. Instead Russia should concentrate on more lucrative markets like Mid East and China.

    My counter point is that there are no non-corrupt countries... America is the most corrupt country on the planet, corruption is human nature... where-ever there is money or power or both.

    The difference is that India wont demand you accept GM food or chicken soaked in Chlorine because their hygene standards are not up to scratch... western countries will make those sorts of demands because their products are not competitive unless you become as fussy about shit as they are... but sometimes they are just being anal rather than safety conscious... doesn't matter... you have to follow their rules or no deal.

    Russia has the potential to be one of the few sources of non-GM food, which makes it safer than western food... sucking up to the wrong countries is the biggest mistake you can make... India has corruption... so does the UK and Russia and France and most other countries... think of it as a small tax to access a rather large market of over 1.2 billion people who need clean safe food and energy. Russia should not be fussy about who it trades with, but it should have a simple rule... Russia should not tell another country its business and other countries should not tell Russia Russias business... this is a trade of goods and services for currency or other goods or services... this is not about cultural imperialism where I will trade with you but you have to act more like me.

    Moreover, they are also a security threat to Russia because thousands of Africans and Indians enter Russia either illegally or refuses to go back once their visa expires. Deception is a way of life for them. Eventually Russian taxpayers have to pay millions to send these freeloaders back home. They are disliked in US and Europe for exactly this reason.

    And how much do you actually know about that and what are your sources?

    What if I tried to become a Russian citizen but was refused because I don't speak Russian... give me a rifle and I will be happy to man some arctic outpost... protect it from US infiltration... supply me once a month with food and some electricity source and of course an internet connection and I would be a happy man... no burden on the tax payer... I would be cheap to support and would be doing a useful job... teach me to maintain some radar or weather equipment and I could do that. I doubt anyone goes to Russia to mooch off the Russian taxpayer... AFAIK I would not think social benefits in Russia are that generous...

    Despite the hostilities on how many occasions did the US or EU have to send back truckloads of Russians back to Russia because they were living there illegally? Russians are recognized for their sheer talent. Silicon Valley will collapse without Russian engineers.

    But that is the same thing... economic migration... people looking for a better life for their children... better paying jobs, less harsh climate, the lure of the comfort and freedom of the US... of course reality is a bitch.

    An economy needs engineers and scientists with talent, but they also needs someone to pick up rubbish and wash floors... here in New Zealand fruit growers struggle to get fruit pickers... most of the orchards are in places where rents are stupidly high, they don't pay them great money and of course they only want them for short periods each year... many of their workers are illegals... I would expect the same in the US... they complain about the illegal immigrants from Mexico but when push comes to shove an illegal immigrant you can treat like slave labour for below minimum wages and they can hardly go to the police now can they...

    Lot of very bad people around.... often the victim is the illegal immigrant.... ahh but they are breaking the law... is it their fault they weren't born in a richer country.... most of the so called civilised western countries they move to got rich by screwing all the other countries... so in a way it is just pay back.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:53 am

    No, because part of the contract stipulated by UK was they told us not to use the subs. So it was Canada's stupidity overall for not listening in first place. To make matters worst, we signed a major contract for these subs torpedoes which then later we found out doesn't fit the subs....
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:And how much do you actually know about that and what are your sources?

    Local Russian media reports it all the time. That aside, here is one source

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/russia_intercepts_27_indians_suspected_of_attempting_illegal_entry_into_finland/10713001

    Here is another primary research about how migrants of color are flooding Russia. 4.5 million illegals already in Russia, imagine that. Russians are tolerant people, had it been Yankees they would have nuked these countries

    https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---ed_protect/---protrav/---migrant/documents/publication/wcms_201973.pdf

    GarryB wrote:But that is the same thing... economic migration... people looking for a better life for their children... better paying jobs, less harsh climate, the lure of the comfort and freedom of the US... of course reality is a bitch.

    And yet no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India. It's always the other way round. That clearly reflects that better life is available in the West not in third world countries.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:49 pm

    yet no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India.
    not true!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49394354

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/2014/0404/Back-to-Africa-For-some-African-Americans-the-answer-is-yes?cmpid=mkt:ggl:dsa-np&gclid=CjwKCAiA7t3yBRADEiwA4GFlI3GItLEPoGOZCh_JKcubvX3C4qwfgo9pBJWsgxAhulBnlJStmR-jfhoCoRUQAvD_BwE

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

    India – 700,000 according to a press release from the White House on 12/06/2017  Philippines – 600,000 (2015)
    Russia – at least 2,008 up to 6,200

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_States#Statistics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_in_India#Numbers

    https://qz.com/india/1414490/white-american-expats-are-treated-like-royalty-in-india/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Immigrants

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Other_parts_of_India
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:24 am

    You can't possibly be serious... sold subs on the condition you don't use them and buy some torpedoes that don't fit but then what use are torpedoes if you are not using the subs in the first place?

    But it is India that is corrupt... really?

    Can you not see this was clearly a scam... someone made a lot of money with this, but it is all so embarassing that they likely wont investigate or if they do they will make the obvious source of the corruption responsible for finding the problems...

    This sort of thing happens now we don't have a free independent press...
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:31 am

    Local Russian media reports it all the time. That aside, here is one source

    Local media get customers by scaring people... immigrants or black people or home invaders or some such crap is what keeps people afraid and watching their news channels... they distort and lie to make the story compelling... I mean these days they have reinactments... what are they? Infomercials?

    Here is another primary research about how migrants of color are flooding Russia. 4.5 million illegals already in Russia, imagine that. Russians are tolerant people, had it been Yankees they would have nuked these countries

    The sources you give are Finland and Luxembourg based... I wouldn't bother going to a Finnish site or an EU site to find accurate unbiased information about Russia... can you guess why?

    And yet no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India. It's always the other way round. That clearly reflects that better life is available in the West not in third world countries.

    Lots of white people in the west totally disillusioned by the west and its bullshit... Snowden and Assange and Manning and many many others have revealed terrible crimes committed by the west but have not only been ignored, but have been treated as criminals themselves... it is amazing that these woke activists will waste time abusing people who don't call lady boys ladies or boys which ever they want to be addressed as today, and ignore the real crimes of the west... makes the west a joke really... and not a good joke.

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    Post  jhelb on Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:58 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    not true!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49394354

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/2014/0404/Back-to-Africa-For-some-African-Americans-the-answer-is-yes?cmpid=mkt:ggl:dsa-np&gclid=CjwKCAiA7t3yBRADEiwA4GFlI3GItLEPoGOZCh_JKcubvX3C4qwfgo9pBJWsgxAhulBnlJStmR-jfhoCoRUQAvD_BwE

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

    India – 700,000 according to a press release from the White House on 12/06/2017  Philippines – 600,000 (2015)
    Russia – at least 2,008 up to 6,200

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_States#Statistics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_in_India#Numbers

    https://qz.com/india/1414490/white-american-expats-are-treated-like-royalty-in-india/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Immigrants

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India#Other_parts_of_India

    From the links that you have shared it's clear that just 845 Russians live in India. Not too many Russians in Africa either. Now compare that with the 20,000 plus Indians in Moscow alone and 50,000 plus Africans. You see what I'm talking about?

    Re those figures of immigration from US to Africa and Asia - those people are mostly of Asian, African decent. Only about 1% of those are White Americans.

    Russians do not enter other countries illegally. That is a patented process of Asians and africans.

    GarryB wrote:Lots of white people in the west totally disillusioned by the west and its bullshit.

    Just like there are people in Russia who are disillusioned with Putin. Yet, no one in Russia or the west contemplates migrating to Africa and Asia. Else disillusion will turn into disaster.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:37 pm

    It's still more than "no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India." There r also many immigrants from the so-called 3rd World- i.e. developing countries who decide to return there after securing their economic future &/r being fed up with the Western World. It's the same as with those Americans that work & earn big $ in N Dakota oil boom before going back home. Money grease the wheels!
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:03 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:It's still more than "no American (leave alone Russian) migrates to Africa or India." There r also many immigrants from the so-called 3rd World- i.e. developing countries who decide to return there after securing their economic future &/r being fed up with the Western World.

    I already explained that to you (and you seem to have reiterated my point). People leaving the west are people of African and Asian origin, hardly any white americans.

    And for every one such person of color who goes back to his roots a few thousands from those countries will migrate to Europe and North America.

    Just 845 Russians live in India. Mostly Russian women married to an Indian male. Russian women have poor taste in men and even in Russia several of them marry blacks and central Asian migrants. These women do NOT represent Russian society.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:39 pm

    The sub story is about canada not india.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:42 pm

    Isos wrote:The sub story is about canada not india.

    I get what he is saying - that we have gall to call India corrupt yet at same time Canada does this shit.

    I don't think there was a side deal Garry. I truly think our ministers were beyond intelligent enough to figure this shit out
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:59 am

    I already explained that to you (and you seem to have reiterated my point). People leaving the west are people of African and Asian origin, hardly any white americans.

    Which just proves white people are racist...

    And by the way there was an article on RT or Sputnik a short while back about white Americans moving to Vietnam to live... it is so cheap to live there and medication is much more affordable than it is in the US... do you think that is going to get better or get worse?

    A few years back a CEO of a drugs company increased the price of one medication that was widely used by 1000%... he openly said it was to benefit the shareholders and maximise their profits... an official at Goldman Sacs who was investing in drugs and pharmaceuticals said a cure is not a good goal because it eliminates disease, what they want investments in is treatments because a treatment is an ongoing reliable income and if the problem is communicable then increases the chance of more people getting the disease and getting more customers... honestly I am myself wondering why we think the US is the centre of civilisation and ethics and morality with that sort of bullshit going on.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:07 am

    You have to look at deals and wonder how they get away with it... I mean the Rafale entered in a competition that specifically said 126 aircraft for 10 billion dollars, and the one they selected they ended up paying about 8 billion for 36 planes... well duh... they were never going to be able to supply 126 Rafales for 10 billion dollars... there was talk of 80 planes for 22 billion dollars... the full number probably would have cost 30 billion or more... but no one seems to have been fired, no one got arrested, in fact there was very little backlash... compare that with them getting an aircraft carrier with a fighter wing of MiG-29KR fighters for 2.4 billion and they shit themselves complaining and moaning.

    It seems when France and the US overcharge them it is OK, but paying market prices for aircraft carriers or full price for Su-30MKI upgrades or to get a 5th gen heavy fighter and they scream bloody murder... those Russians are stealing bread from their childrens mouths...

    Look forward to reading about Indian experience with Ah-64s... they are high maintenance... and expensive...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:21 am

    People leaving the west are people of African and Asian origin, hardly any white americans.
    FYI, the US considered annexing Mexico in 1848, but decided not to- too many Indians (Natives), Mestizos, & Catholics, besides most not speaking any English. Now, the largest expatriate American community is in Mexico, while most illegal immigrants in the US been Mexican for decades.
    President Donald Trump insists on the need for a stronger border wall and criminalizes some of the migrants heading to the United States from Mexico and other nations such as Honduras. Yet there are an estimated 1.5 million Americans now living in Mexico, according to Lori Smith, a representative for the Democrats Abroad organization. ..Mexico is as popular with retirees as it is with working professionals, and Smith estimates that 400,000 of the 1.5 million Americans living in Mexico are retirees.
    https://www.ozy.com/immodest-proposal/time-for-americans-living-in-mexico-to-go-home/92349/

    So, over 1M of them r working there.
    Mexico has a much cheaper standard of living than the United States. For the past few years, one US dollar has been worth just under 20 pesos. And it’s not just goods that are cheaper in Mexico. Labor is also much cheaper than in the US, so it’s quite possible that if you move to Mexico you could hire a maid, gardener, and even possibly a cook. Your dollar will go quite far.
    https://transferwise.com/us/blog/americans-living-in-mexico



    If India was not that far away, there would be a lot more Americans living & working there.


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