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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:21 am

    par far wrote:

    What is it carrying?

    Your guess is as good as mine but I would think lot of stuff that many in Syria will be very pleased to see and others to whom it might be the last thing they will see Smile
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:58 am

    Interesting images from "Encyclopedia of Syrian military". These might be in service with the #Russia|n contingent in Syria.
    LHS: 1L122-Е2 small air-defence radar
    RHS:apparently Orlan-10 UAV control station.
    Despite US desert camo jacket - not uncommon in SAA - note the patch.







    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/974686002609623040



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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  par far on Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:48 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:

    What is it carrying?

    Your guess is as good as mine but I would think lot of stuff that many in Syria will be very pleased to see and others to whom it might be the last thing they will see Smile


    The US cunts are threating Syria with ships, could be defence systems.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:24 pm

    par far wrote:

    The US cunts are threating Syria with ships, could be defence systems.
    Everything that Russia ships to Syria is 'defence systems'. Defending Syria from terrorists, of all kinds.

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:36 am

    Apparently in the morning today..
    Russian air defenses have been used to intercept Foreign drones
    near Syria coast.. Looks like NATO /Israel Provocations .


    information comes from saker forums..



    Wael @WaelAlRussi ,.... Moments ago

    Russia air defense systems in #Khmemeim AB #Latakia

    intercepted an unidentified object/s over the sea. 2 missiles were launched.

    9:28 AM – 17 Mar 2018"]


    https://twitter.com/WaelAlRussi/status/975046143414620161

    my best guess is that Americans if they launch a cruise missile attack.. they will need
    to do it right this time..Because it will be humiliating world wide for NATO if all their cruise missiles are intercepted
    by Russia.. So they will need to throw more than a hundreds of Cruise missiles and ballistic missiles , probably two hundreds or even more.. Too saturate Syrian and Russian air defenses...  NATO have some important things to gain from doing this.. Like testing Russia capabilities ,and weakness.. and specially customized cruise missiles or even ballistic missiles and or swarm of drones.. . From their point of view ,The knowledge they can gain from a major scale attack will be invaluable for understanding how to do such attacks on Russia main land .. after US deploy all their 400 missile launchers there.  This does not means they will do it. but that NATO wants to have the knowledge ,how to fight Russia with mass attacks of Cruise missiles and have the option to use such tactics.. at hand..

    it will be useful a map of Russia/NATO warships in mediterranean and red sea.. it could reveal how serious
    is the confrontation.

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:54 pm

    Mi-8 equiped with EW system spoted in syria. It is said they used this system to jam the tomahawks the first time.

    https://rg.ru/2018/03/16/ubijca-elektroniki-mi-8-s-sistemoj-rychag-av-vpervye-zamechen-v-sirii.html
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:10 am

    Not confirmed but apparently extra S-400's have been deployed as a response to the threat of attack

    Media: Russia has deployed in Syria several batteries of S-400 (rus)
    http://k-politika.ru/smi-rossiya-perebrosila-v-siriyu-eshhyo-neskolko-batarej-s-400/?utm_source=warfiles.ru


    2nd #RuAF An-22 to land in #Khmemeim AB #Latakia in 2 days.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:51 pm


    CIT (en)
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    Russian Central Election Commission data: 3526 Russians in Syria cast ballots into portable boxes, compared to 4378 in 2016 parliamentary elections. This suggests troops numbers reduction by approx. 20%, despite Putin's 2017 "withdrawal" claims.

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    CIT (en)
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    Russian Central Election Commission data: 3526 Russians in Syria cast ballots into portable boxes, compared to 4378 in 2016 parliamentary elections. This suggests troops numbers reduction by approx. 20%, despite Putin's 2017 "withdrawal" claims.

    Those numbers include Kitchen operators ,janitors ,civilian doctors , contractors with Russian citizenship , Business Developers , Translators ,journalist ,politicians etc etc etc.. There are also a Russian community living in Syria too..
    that had Russian citizenship.. i saw videos of a few of them.. Russians married with Syrians womens.. etc.
    that had business in Syria ,and could not leave ,for economical reasons ,and because their zones were safer and under protection of Russia . Probably it have to be latakkia were More safer to have a business is. So the real number of military combat soldiers/operators of military hardware have to be in the 2,000 to 2,500.

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:17 am

    Night attack: PMC Wagner routed Jaish al-Islam in Misraba

    According to media reports, Russian volunteers PMC Wagner successfully pushed the terrorists deeper into the boiler in Eastern Guta. Despite the cease-fire agreement with certain militant groups, most of the terrorists continue with fierce resistance to pro-government forces.

    Suppression of the boiler is carried out from several sides.The most acute situation in the east and north, in the area of ​​Al-Rayhan where Jaish al-Islam  causes significant losses to the government side. Terrorists reportedly destroyed several tanks and drones SAA.

    On the night of 18 on 19 March fighters PMC Wagner with pinpoint artillery strikes drove the terrorists from their forward position, thereby releasing the civilians and Syrian soldiers that were surrounded. Thereafter vagnerovtsy pushed the militants and created a convenient springboard for further advance of government forces. As in the storming of Palmyra, Russian volunteers used night vision devices and precision artillery strikes guided by drones.

    Arab media write that without the timely assistance of the PMC Wagner government forces would have been put into a difficult situation in Misraba and in the area of ​​Al-Tal and Satra.

    Russian soldiers from the PMC to help SAA to ensure the safety of humanitarian corridors.

    "The attack on Misrabu was a complete surprise to us, and we are very grateful for the Russian resistance. It was the military aid and Russian soldiers allowed us to recover all the lost positions and be able to continue the offensive, "-Syrian Arab Army media officer.

    http://quick-news.pro/nochnaya-ataka-chvk-vagnera-razbili-dzhejsh-al-islam-v-misrabe/

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:21 pm

    ...Russian volunteers PMC Wagner ...

    ...Russian soldiers from the PMC...


    Factually incorrect

    They are not soldiers and they are not volunteers

    Soldiers are members of armed forces and receive normal salary

    Volunteers​ don't work for big fat paychecks, they work for free

    Wagner units are mercenaries, it's literally in the name (PMC)

    Everyone should stop making this dumbass mistake
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:11 pm

    All this grooming from western websites where you can't call western mercs mercs... they get sensitive about how much money they get paid to kill people.

    Perhaps they fear US police officers might get jealous about the pay difference in shooting ethnic minorities and take their jobs or something...


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:50 pm

    Now a pair in Syria for potential continuous coverage.

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:19 pm

    GarryB wrote:All this grooming from western websites where you can't call western mercs mercs... they get sensitive about how much money they get paid to kill people.

    Perhaps they fear US police officers might get jealous about the pay difference in shooting ethnic minorities and take their jobs or something...

    There's a big difference between PMCs and mercs. Learn it.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:34 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:All this grooming from western websites where you can't call western mercs mercs... they get sensitive about how much money they get paid to kill people.

    Perhaps they fear US police officers might get jealous about the pay difference in shooting ethnic minorities and take their jobs or something...

    There's a big difference between PMCs and mercs. Learn it.

    ** drums rolling **

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    What would that be?
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:All this grooming from western websites where you can't call western mercs mercs... they get sensitive about how much money they get paid to kill people.

    Perhaps they fear US police officers might get jealous about the pay difference in shooting ethnic minorities and take their jobs or something...

    There's a big difference between PMCs and mercs. Learn it.

    ** drums rolling **

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    What would that be?

    A state-sanctioned contract, directly from a government body (e.g. DoD) or indirectly via private sector operating with a valid permit from authorities.
    Mercs are more sketchy characters, operating under no such framework.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Isos on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:13 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:All this grooming from western websites where you can't call western mercs mercs... they get sensitive about how much money they get paid to kill people.

    Perhaps they fear US police officers might get jealous about the pay difference in shooting ethnic minorities and take their jobs or something...

    There's a big difference between PMCs and mercs. Learn it.

    ** drums rolling **

    ** drums rolling **

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    What would that be?

    Mercenaries work for themselves as individuals. There is nothing official.

    If you talk about companies it means there is an official structure behind it which means the countries where they are created know about them and they let them do their bloody work. This is a bit more sensitive because it involves the country in the action of the companie.

    A US guy fighting with kurds is just a guy who choosed to fight. Black waters mercenaries working for Irak means that US officials let the companies sign contract with Iraqis so it means USA are involved in Iraqi interior problems.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:19 pm

    Wagner folk is probably on the PMC side, due to Assad paying their salaries. But their street cred is quite low within their country of origin (Ru), which I suspect doesn't quite approve their deployments. They can actually be considered as borderline-to-plain merc material, should Ru decide to prosecute them in court.

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:47 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:All this grooming from western websites where you can't call western mercs mercs... they get sensitive about how much money they get paid to kill people.

    Perhaps they fear US police officers might get jealous about the pay difference in shooting ethnic minorities and take their jobs or something...

    There's a big difference between PMCs and mercs. Learn it.

    Actually there is none other than the fact that the U.S.A institutionalized the trade craft of mercs and placed a double-speak job title to fool the masses and to allow public discussion of such around congress without their faces melting down from moral decay. Makes it much easier to allocate money and "sell" those services worldwide. Freed the CIA of many hurdles and bureaucratic shenanigans.

    Russia/other countries merely followed suit - unfortunately.

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:43 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:..........
    War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery....

    And money is money


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:55 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:..........
    War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery....

    And money is money


    The only ever constant.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:43 pm

    A state-sanctioned contract, directly from a government body (e.g. DoD) or indirectly via private sector operating with a valid permit from authorities.
    Mercs are more sketchy characters, operating under no such framework.

    Hahahahahahahahaha..excellent... so what you are saying is that like the US says there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, that there are also good mercs and bad mercs.


    BTW these wonder mercs you are talking about were notorious for shooting first and then shooting second and then shooting third and never asking questions... they did all sorts of terrible shit and for the most part got away with it... occasionally their blatant murder of the local population could not be ignored and it went to court but did any even serve any time? I doubt it.


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:09 am

    GarryB wrote:
    A state-sanctioned contract, directly from a government body (e.g. DoD) or indirectly via private sector operating with a valid permit from authorities.
    Mercs are more sketchy characters, operating under no such framework.

    Hahahahahahahahaha..excellent... so what you are saying is that like the US says there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, that there are also good mercs and bad mercs.


    BTW these wonder mercs you are talking about were notorious for shooting first and then shooting second and then shooting third and never asking questions... they did all sorts of terrible shit and for the most part got away with it... occasionally their blatant murder of the local population could not be ignored and it went to court but did any even serve any time? I doubt it.

    I said there's PMCs and mercs. As long as it's within a legal framework, it's PMC.
    You get PMCs all over, oil rigs, pipelines, tankers, etc. It doesn't have to be your typical ''OMFGDelta!1!! they've invaded Iraq'' scenario.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:33 pm

    Lots of interesting bits in this

    Military.com 27 Mar 2018 By Oriana Pawlyk

    Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Tuesday said the U.S. has seen operations from Russian-affiliated forces in eastern Syria scaled back after U.S. fighter jets fired on hundreds of alleged Russian mercenaries who fought with U.S.-backed forces in early February. Mattis said the Defense Department has faith in the Russian officers who used the deconfliction line to tell U.S. counterparts the mercenaries were not under their control. "To this day, I have no evidence that they were being dishonest," he told reporters during an unscheduled briefing at the Pentagon. "We believe that, the Russian officers who tried to deconflict it and told us they weren't their forces, I think they were frankly being honest with us."

    The U.S. on Feb. 7 launched significant air and firepower in response to what were believed to be pro-Assad forces attacking U.S.-backed Syrian Defense Forces in Deir el-Zour Province. The Air Force sent up F-22A Raptor advanced stealth fighters, along with MQ-9 Reaper drones, to watch as a three-hour battle began that day. "A variety of joint aircraft and ground-based artillery responded in defense of our SDF partners, including F-15E Strike Eagles," Lt. Col. Damien Pickart, Air Force Central Command spokesman, told Military.com at the time.

    Just after the strike, officials said they were assessing how many pro-regime forces had been killed, but estimated the number was approximately 100. Other reports suggested that more than 200 were killed, with a number of news outlets saying the militants consisted of Russian mercenaries. Russia's foreign ministry at the time said some of its citizens died in the battle, but would not confirm they were contractors operating on behalf of the state. Mattis on Tuesday would not explicitly say the group in question is or has been made up of Russian contracted fighters.

    The U.S. has observed "Russian elements like this" in recent weeks moving too close to the deconfliction zone, where the SDF operates to the west of the Euphrates River. Russian forces operate to the east near Deir el-Zour, Mattis said. Within the last week, "Those elements fell back, so we have also drawn off slightly in order to maintain the deconfliction between the elements there," he said. "Thanks to the Russian direction on that, this group has been reduced," Mattis said.


    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/27/fewer-russian-mercenaries-entering-syria-airstrike-mattis.html
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:08 am

    JohninMK wrote:Lots of interesting bits in this

    Military.com 27 Mar 2018 By Oriana Pawlyk

    Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Tuesday said the U.S. has seen operations from Russian-affiliated forces in eastern Syria scaled back after U.S. fighter jets fired on hundreds of alleged Russian mercenaries who fought with U.S.-backed forces in early February. Mattis said the Defense Department has faith in the Russian officers who used the deconfliction line to tell U.S. counterparts the mercenaries were not under their control. "To this day, I have no evidence that they were being dishonest," he told reporters during an unscheduled briefing at the Pentagon. "We believe that, the Russian officers who tried to deconflict it and told us they weren't their forces, I think they were frankly being honest with us."

    The U.S. on Feb. 7 launched significant air and firepower in response to what were believed to be pro-Assad forces attacking U.S.-backed Syrian Defense Forces in Deir el-Zour Province. The Air Force sent up F-22A Raptor advanced stealth fighters, along with MQ-9 Reaper drones, to watch as a three-hour battle began that day. "A variety of joint aircraft and ground-based artillery responded in defense of our SDF partners, including F-15E Strike Eagles," Lt. Col. Damien Pickart, Air Force Central Command spokesman, told Military.com at the time.

    Just after the strike, officials said they were assessing how many pro-regime forces had been killed, but estimated the number was approximately 100. Other reports suggested that more than 200 were killed, with a number of news outlets saying the militants consisted of Russian mercenaries. Russia's foreign ministry at the time said some of its citizens died in the battle, but would not confirm they were contractors operating on behalf of the state. Mattis on Tuesday would not explicitly say the group in question is or has been made up of Russian contracted fighters.

    The U.S. has observed "Russian elements like this" in recent weeks moving too close to the deconfliction zone, where the SDF operates to the west of the Euphrates River. Russian forces operate to the east near Deir el-Zour, Mattis said. Within the last week, "Those elements fell back, so we have also drawn off slightly in order to maintain the deconfliction between the elements there," he said. "Thanks to the Russian direction on that, this group has been reduced," Mattis said.


    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/27/fewer-russian-mercenaries-entering-syria-airstrike-mattis.html


    America and its proxies (SDF) do not get to decide about "deconfliction" zones. They have no legal basis to be on Syrian territory.
    This is especially true now that the "rebels" are politically and militarily irrelevant. The USA cannot use some minority element in a
    country to invade it and operate by its own rules. On the same basis anyone could invade the USA itself.

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