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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:45 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:That's the thing. People are easily fooled due to their idiocy. Kommersant released the news about it. But hey, whatever. Story is good so let's make shit up

    Did he fall from the balcony then?
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:51 pm

    Syria attack: British submarine 'hunted by Russian subs

    A ROYAL Navy submarine heading towards Syria has been hunted by up to two deadly Russian subs and a number of other vessels in the Mediterranean for days as tensions between the countries ratchet up, it has been revealed.
    By Mark Chandler
    PUBLISHED: 06:00, Mon, Apr 16, 2018

    The British crew found themselves involved in a “cat and mouse game” with at least one of the Kremlin Kilo-class subs, dubbed the “Black Hole” because they are so stealthy.

    Two frigates and an anti-submarine aircraft were also involved in the hunt, the Sunday Times reported.

    The Tomahawk missile-equipped £1.2billion British vessel had been moving to within range of Syria when it found itself under threat.

    It then spent days trying to avoid detection by the Russian force.


    The British sub was 'hunted' by Russian forces

    US Navy forces tried to protect the waters around the underwater ship as it passed beneath the waves, with aircraft bussing overhead to offer cover.

    Kilo-class submarines are among the deadliest in Putin’s arsenal.

    Powered by two diesel generators and an electric drive they can move silently underwater at speeds of up to 17 knots.

    They can be equipped with a range of deadly weapons including cruise and anti-ship missiles.


    The British submarine was Astute-class and hunted for days

    Following the tension-filled encounter, the British Astute-class submarine did not take part in the attack on Syrian chemical weapons facilities.

    The Royal Navy’s Astute submarines cost around £1.2billion each and have been commissioned by Britain since 2010.

    Nick Childs, from the International Institute for Strategic Studies said submarine commanders were trained not give away their position by firing too many missiles at once.

    Strikes by UK, US and French forces crippled President Bashar al-Assad’s weapons programme overnight yesterday.

    The allies launched 105 missiles in retaliation for a poison gas atrocity in Syria that killed at least 70 people.

    Three chemical weapons facilities, including a research and development in Damascus' Barzeh district and two facilities near Homs were wiped out in the attack.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/946309/syria-attack-russia-british-submarine-vladimir-putin


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:56 pm

    There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:03 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Syria attack: British submarine 'hunted by Russian subs.......


    I gotta say I am quite surprised at how lightly armed Astute subs are when compared to Kilos.

    Nuclear attack sub with three times the displacement, twice the crew complement, twice the endurance and same maximum depth of conventional Kilo sub and it only carries 38 torpedoes/missiles compared to 22 on Kilo-class.

    And worst of all it doesn't have VLS cells.

    Weird...
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    I thought that Virginia sub launched attack from Arabian or Red sea?
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  franco on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:06 pm

    Russian military claims 112 SAF AD missiles take down 71 of the NATO cruise missiles;

    "Pantsyr" - 25 missiles were fired, 23 targets were hit;
    "Buk" - 29 missiles were fired, 24 targets were hit;
    "Osa" - 11 rockets were fired, 5 targets were hit;
    C-125 - 13 missiles were launched, 5 targets were hit;
    "Srtela-10" - 5 missiles were fired, 3 targets were hit;
    "Kub" - 21 rockets were launched, 11 targets were hit;
    C-200 - 8 missiles were fired, targets were not hit.

    A higher hit rate then I would have expected however a closer review shows 47:54 for the more modern BUK and Panstir while the older Soviet designs went 24:58.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12171611@egNews
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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    They have a stupid story for every event that happen ... who is trusting them anymore ?

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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    I thought that Virginia sub launched attack from Arabian or Red sea?

    What this thing teaches us is that russian army is very well equiped against US invasion forces. All the west assests were in range of russian equipement. If it was an attack against russian mainland they would have lost all their ships and planes.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    There is also a view out there that Homs was supposed to be the Euro only target zone and the 9 TLAMs the US launched were covering for the fact the Astute was not within range at the time.


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:40 am

    Seems some sort of missile attack is underway in Syria again.

    Rumors are Israelis are trying to strike T4.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:40 am

    franco wrote:Russian military claims 112 SAF AD missiles take down 71 of the NATO cruise missiles;

    "Pantsyr" - 25 missiles were fired, 23 targets were hit;
    "Buk" - 29 missiles were fired, 24 targets were hit;
    "Osa" - 11 rockets were fired, 5 targets were hit;
    C-125 - 13 missiles were launched, 5 targets were hit;
    "Srtela-10" - 5 missiles were fired, 3 targets were hit;
    "Kub" - 21 rockets were launched, 11 targets were hit;
    C-200 - 8 missiles were fired, targets were not hit.

    A higher hit rate then I would have expected however a closer review shows 47:54 for the more modern BUK and Panstir while the older Soviet designs went 24:58.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12171611@egNews

    i edited and put the common names for the SAMs so everyone understand the types Smile


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  nomadski on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:42 am

    Russia said they would target missiles and source of missiles . But they only targeted the missiles . Now they say next time it will be chaos . Meaning we will strike . How long will this defensive only phase last ? They have to say we will strike next time . Even if they intend to wait a bit . To buildup forces . In the meantime the Yank and Co will escalate . Sneak attack , not exposing the attacker , sabotage , third party special ops is likely . Hit and run . Attack by automated or disposable platforms .For harbour facility , protection is needed . Divers , nets , and underwater sonar ,To keep economy flowing .
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:55 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    I thought that Virginia sub launched attack from Arabian or Red sea?
    No the USS John Warner launched its 6 TLAMs from the Med, the only US asset that did, all the other TLAMs came from their 3 surface ships.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:07 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:There is a view out there that the UK sub was a distraction exercise covering the USS one that did launch TLAMs.

    There is also a view out there that Homs was supposed to be the Euro only target zone and the 9 TLAMs the US launched were covering for the fact the Astute was not within range at the time.  
    Chased off by the Kilo Smile
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:12 am

    nomadski wrote:Russia said they would target missiles and source of missiles . But they only targeted the missiles . Now they say next time it will be chaos . Meaning we will strike . How long will this defensive only phase last ? They have to say we will strike next time .  Even if they intend to wait a bit . To buildup forces . In the meantime the Yank and Co will escalate .  Sneak attack , not exposing the attacker , sabotage , third party special ops is likely . Hit and run .  Attack by automated or disposable platforms .For harbour facility , protection is needed . Divers , nets , and underwater sonar ,To keep economy flowing .

    Russia didnt target anything, Syrians did.
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:35 am

    A pair of Russian Su-24's in low flight at extreme proximity to an Israeli navy ship. Frames from IDF video
    https://twitter.com/inbarspace/status/985999974935728128



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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:41 am

    Russia said they would target missiles and source of missiles . But they only targeted the missiles

    Russia didn't launch any missiles... it just passed target data to the Syrian air defence forces who engaged the incoming missiles.

    I rather suspect the reason the US and her bitches only fired 103 weapons was because, first of all they saw they were getting shot down before reaching their targets... they likely also knew that if they escalate then Russia would be forced to escalate and if Russians are not shooting down western missiles their only way to escalate is to attack western launch platforms...


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:51 am

    Militarov wrote:Russia didnt target anything, Syrians did.

    One question.....How come they weren't able to target anything a year ago?

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:10 am

    Cyberspec wrote:A pair of Russian Su-24's in low flight at extreme proximity to an Israeli navy ship. Frames from IDF video
    https://twitter.com/inbarspace/status/985999974935728128



    IMHO the message is clear for me...

    If Israel kill Russian soldiers in Syria ,deployed at Syrian military bases ,consequences of their attacks..
    Then Russia reserve the right to retaliate and sink an Israel warship.. The real TOUGH talking of Russia
    rarely happens in media.. but through private channels of communications between them..

    Russia can destroy Israeli navy very easily.. and push away its airforce ,Navy and S-400s.

    Eventually the Netanyahu suckers will end the patience of Russia and they will strike hard.. but it will not
    be just old F-15s.. But those brand new submarines of them and or warships.. it will be epic to see Russia
    flattening Israeli navy. those subsonic missiles of Israel stand not a chance to hit any warship of Russia.

    if Israel lose a warship confronting Russia ,it will be death sentence for netanyahu , will be arrested for
    the his bad call..and picking a fight with Russia. Im sure that Neither US and Israel have a way to push Russia
    away of Syria ,unless they pick a direct war with Russia..which will be worse for them.

    if Israel sink a Russian warship ,it will be a declaration of war.. and Israel punched like never before on its history..
    All Israeli navy destroyed.. and some military bases too with combat planes.. will see Iskander flatening Israel military bases.. and important assets. Russia do not drive by emotions and will pick targets ,that israel will truly regret losing.



    One question.....How come they weren't able to target anything a year ago?

    Syria air defenses shot down about 60% of the missiles launched by Trump last year..
    major differences now is that Syria now have more intelligence of enemy missiles trajectory,
    and Russia had an A-50 in the air ,warning of all missiles positions at all times.. and possibly Russia had less
    Pantsir defenses..
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:32 am



    “Several years ago we decided not to supply S-300 systems to Syria at our partners’ request. Now, we will consider options to ensure the Syrian state’s security after this outrageous act of aggression from the United States, France and Great Britain,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told the BBC.


    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804171063634749-lavrov-s300-missile-attack-syria/
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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:28 pm


    Field tests underway, KAMAZ-53949 Typhoon-K in Ghouta:

    https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/986207221506768896



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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:40 pm

    *Typhoon-L Smile


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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:01 am

    A figure of 40 Pantirs in Syria is bandied about. Looks as if, as we here would have expected, that they are a mix of these two versions. Definitely getting a good workout.


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    Under name Pantsir-S1 Russia produced vehicles with two types of radars. First variant was with rectangular radar (1), Syria received it several years ago. Then Russia began to produce a variant with a new S-band radar (2).




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    Re: Russian military involvement and aid to Syria #13

    Post  kvs on Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:01 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:That's the thing. People are easily fooled due to their idiocy. Kommersant released the news about it. But hey, whatever. Story is good so let's make shit up

    Did he fall from the balcony then?

    Even if he was pushed or thrown, how do you know that it was Russian elements that did it? This is exactly why all the NATO fake stream
    media consumer lemmings fall for the transparent frauds like Litvinenko and Skripal. The subject of motive is never dealt with. This
    includes this case. Give me all the other cases of journalists in Russia being "sent a message". I dare you. The pro-NATO liberast
    media in Russia would be in a full frenzy if it ever got threatened by Putin.

    Clearly you have no clue about the Russian media space.

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