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    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile

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    Re: "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue May 22, 2018 7:29 pm

    "a source from the intelligence agency under anonymous"

    So not a Russian source, no name given to hide identity (so they can make up a story but provide no source) and nothing to give indication what they said is true (if Russian engineers said not to hold tests cause it wasn't ready yet, then there should easily be a Russian link but there isn't).
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed May 23, 2018 1:07 am

    BTW the best explanation is that 2-2,5 tons missile cannot have nuclear source of energy. And who said that is has 2 tons? or Tu-160 can have 6 in revolver launcher?  What a Face What a Face What a Face
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    Re: "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 23, 2018 9:03 am

    BTW the best explanation is that 2-2,5 tons missile cannot have nuclear source of energy. And who said that is has 2 tons? or Tu-160 can have 6 in revolver launcher?

    Uranium and lead are very dense materials that don't take up much room... the MTOW of the Blackjack is 45 tons in the current upgraded model, so the limit is volume and not weight... and why would you put it on a bomber?

    It can fly all the way to any target on earth with a much smaller RCS...

    A 2KT nuclear bomb can be fitted into an artillery shell 152mm wide and 40kgs in weight... to be perfectly honest, I really don't think a nuclear turbojet would need to be much bigger or heavier than that... but with a 2-2.5 ton cruise missile you wont need about 1.8 tons of fuel, so even if the nuclear propulsion is 1.5 tons, it would still be 300kgs lighter than a normal turbojet powered version of the same missile... except with unlimited range...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed May 23, 2018 12:57 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    BTW the best explanation is that 2-2,5 tons missile cannot have nuclear source of energy. And who said that is has 2 tons? or Tu-160 can have 6 in revolver launcher?

    ... and why would you put it on a bomber?

    that's precisely my idea... can be land based can be sea based who told is has to be aairborne? ah I forgot western experts columnists.



    ... to be perfectly honest, I really don't think a nuclear turbojet would need to be much bigger or heavier than that... but with a 2-2.5 ton cruise missile you wont need about 1.8 tons of fuel, so even if the nuclear propulsion is 1.5 tons, it would still be 300kgs lighter than a normal turbojet powered version of the same missile... except with unlimited range...

    I dont know what is size or weight of this installation... or kind of engine there . The whatever assumption we make is it good Razz Razz Razz IMHO it iw more like 10-20tons and as strategic weapon unlikely has 2 or 20kn warhead. I bet on something closer to 2Mt
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    Post  Hole on Wed May 23, 2018 5:12 pm

    The MTOW (Maximum take off weight) of the Tu-160 is 275 tons.
    Its maximum weapons load is 40 tons.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed May 23, 2018 9:49 pm

    Hole wrote:The MTOW (Maximum take off weight) of the Tu-160 is 275 tons.
    Its maximum weapons load is 40 tons.

    it still has size restrictions though if you refer to Burevestnik.
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    Post  Hole on Wed May 23, 2018 9:58 pm

    I was refering to the post from GarryB. He wrote the MTOW of the Tu-160 is 45 tons.

    The Burevestnik will be launched from the ground. But a version of the Kh-101 with a nuclear engine is likely.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 24, 2018 2:00 am

    I was refering to the post from GarryB. He wrote the MTOW of the Tu-160 is 45 tons.

    Sorry, put MTOW by mistake.... the maximum weapon load of the upgraded Tu-160M is 45 tons.

    We don't know what the max weapon load for the new Tu-160M2 will be.

    And ground launched actually makes the most sense... it does not violate the INF treaty because the INF treaty only applies to intermediate range missiles so unlimited range missiles are not included... perhaps the cruise missiles fitted to Iskander are nuclear propelled.. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    Maybe they will wire it like Igla so any unused fuel adds to the power of the warhead..... Twisted Evil
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    Post  Hole on Thu May 24, 2018 10:43 am

    Looks like the INF treaty will be gone in a few month because "the evil russians breaking it".
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 25, 2018 7:28 am

    They need to accuse Russia of breaking it so no one notices that the standard MK41 launchers they are installing in their European ABM system are designed to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles, which is a direct violation of the INF treaty...

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    Post  kvs on Sat May 26, 2018 5:46 pm

    Hole wrote:Looks like the INF treaty will be gone in a few month because "the evil russians breaking it".

    If the INF goes then Russia must pull out of the START (whatever version number). America thinks it has an advantage
    without arms control. Let them eat the consequences of this pathological delusion.

    I suggest that Russia increases the deployed warhead count by 5-10 times. That will get NATO ubermenschen wetting
    their diapers.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat May 26, 2018 10:37 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:Looks like the INF treaty will be gone in a few month because "the evil russians breaking it".

    If the INF goes then Russia must pull out of the START (whatever version number).   America thinks it has an advantage
    without arms control.   Let them eat the consequences of this pathological delusion.

    I suggest that Russia increases the deployed warhead count by 5-10 times.    That will get NATO ubermenschen wetting
    their diapers.

    Ooh please, everyone here knows full well which arms control treaty America fears most, the MTCR, if Russia leaves that, it's all over, imaging the madness that would happen if Russia starts exporting some real long ranged missile systems the U.S would be in deep sh%t, having all their precious ships turn into fish in a barrel.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun May 27, 2018 1:20 am

    kvs wrote:

    I suggest that Russia increases the deployed warhead count by 5-10 times.    That will get NATO ubermenschen wetting
    their diapers.

    Iam not sure it this is th best option. Every missile costs money. Best solutions are asymmetric - like Burevestnik, Kinzhal or Avangard. You cannot go in pair with economy 5,5 times (PPP) bigger.
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    Post  [ F l a n k e d ] on Sun May 27, 2018 6:57 pm

    I like the notion of a cruise missile of unlimited range, however could there be some absolute upper limit to its endurance in terms of airframe fatigue and the like?
    Also what are the potential applications in peacetime? Reconnaissance versions patrolling the oceans endlessly or entire flocks shadowing and pestering carrier groups from afar?
    The possibilities are endless, but the nuclear source of propulsion might pose political and diplomatic restrictions as to usage in the conventional role.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 27, 2018 7:07 pm

    [ F l a n k e d ] wrote: I like the notion of a cruise missile of unlimited range, however could there be some absolute upper limit to its endurance in terms of airframe fatigue and the like?

    Of course, wear and tear is inevitable


    [ F l a n k e d ] wrote:Also what are the potential applications in peacetime? Reconnaissance versions patrolling the oceans endlessly or entire flocks shadowing and pestering carrier groups from afar?
    The possibilities are endless, but the nuclear source of propulsion might pose political and diplomatic restrictions as to usage in the conventional role.

    None whatsoever

    Potential problems with contamination (especially on takeoff from your territory) don't make it worth the hassle, this is doomsday scenario system, nothing more
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:50 am

    Video on Russian MoD twitter purporting to show Burevestnik missiles in the assembly shop! Very Happy

    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1019849881052213248

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    Post  Sprut-B on Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:18 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Video on Russian MoD twitter purporting to show Burevestnik missiles in the assembly shop!   Very Happy

    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1019849881052213248


    Fuck yeah! I can already feel USA & It's allies are burning out of frustration lol. I just want to bitch slap all those NATO fanboys who were saying that these weapons are only exist on papers.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:49 pm

    The missile is smaller than i thought. In the first video it looked as big as a P-500.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:39 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Video on Russian MoD twitter purporting to show Burevestnik missiles in the assembly shop! Very Happy

    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1019849881052213248

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f60/19/14/38/61/00114210.png

    More like final check-up and packaging shop, I doubt we will be seeing actual assembly shop for these things anytime soon

    I do wonder what's under those covers... Smile
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 pm

    The red colour indicates that these are part of a test batch. The transport container looks great.
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    Re: "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile

    Post  kvs on Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:36 pm



    Supposedly the launch and some flight video.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:37 pm

    It seems the missile is the same size as the Kh-101, maybe a little bit larger. Probably heavier. Let´s say it weights 5 tons, than Russia could put one or two on a medium truck or four or even six on a heavy truck. Around 2025 they will have 250 - 300 of them. Until now the strategic bombers would be needed to bring cruise missiles close to the enemy territory (3000 km for the Kh-55MS, 5000 - 5500 km for the Kh-555 and the Kh-101/-102), with the Burevestnik this will no longer be neccessary. They can be launched from home and hit the enemy territory, which will free bombers for other targets.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:53 pm

    RF loses n.-capable CM in Barents Sea. US intelligence finds it
    http://www.pravdareport.com/science/tech/24-08-2018/141449-russia_new_missile_lost-0/

    I doubt that they would be testing it there, over water, potentially contaminating all fish, & complicating salvaging it. The Kapustin Yar range, Siberia & the Far East r big enough for closed circle flight testing & recovery of downed CMs.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:39 pm

    There was zero evidence of such. Majority of ships operating in area are doing seizmic research for potentially oil. Someone took that story and made up a "looking for missile"

    In end, if missile crashed in Sea last year, they wouldn't be looking for it now.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:04 pm

    Someone in Amiland farts and everybody takes it for the truth. Mad

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