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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:30 pm


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    Update from a source: Russia's Burevestnik nuclear-powered cruise missile has a NATO designator — SSC-X-9 SKYFALL. (USIC also calls this missile the KY30.)

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:36 am

    JohninMK wrote:
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    Update from a source: Russia's Burevestnik nuclear-powered cruise missile has a NATO designator — SSC-X-9 SKYFALL. (USIC also calls this missile the KY30.)

    and link? Razz Razz Razz
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:56 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
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    Update from a source: Russia's Burevestnik nuclear-powered cruise missile has a NATO designator — SSC-X-9 SKYFALL. (USIC also calls this missile the KY30.)

    and link?


    Here:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nktpnd/status/1064991343624237059?p=v


    As far as names go this one ain't too shabby

    Also, I'd take it that they confirmed that it works otherwise they wouldn't be giving it official name
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    Post  Hole on Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:16 am

    Should be SSC-007. Laughing
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:17 am

    Is this picture of a Burevestnik mobile launcher?

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    Its from a SF article on Avangard, but clearly its not a HGV launched atop an ICBM...

    (SF article on Avangard FWIW https://southfront.org/avangard-hypersonic-weapon-systems-will-be-put-on-combat-duty-in-2019-commander-of-strategic-missile-troops/)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:21 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Is this picture of a Burevestnik mobile launcher?

    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile - Page 9 1-107

    Its from a SF article on Avangard, but clearly its not a HGV launched atop an ICBM...

    (SF article on Avangard FWIW https://southfront.org/avangard-hypersonic-weapon-systems-will-be-put-on-combat-duty-in-2019-commander-of-strategic-missile-troops/)

    I don't think it is. It looks like it's a loader for installing silo based ICBM's, just look at the hatch door behind it.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:06 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't think it is. It looks like it's a loader for installing silo based ICBM's, just look at the hatch door behind it.

    I thought that too, but the missile would be too short for an ICBM and the hatch (if that is what it is) looks way too large? The "loader" has the look of an environmental test shelter to allow access to missile in transit... maybe its a transport vehicle for Burevestnik test missiles and is loading the missile into the test range launch tube?
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    Post  Hole on Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:23 am

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    The missile is already in the silo, the payload (Avangard) is put onto it.

    Burevestnik uses a inclined launch tube.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:43 pm

    This is Burevestnik:
    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile - Page 9 001114

    It comes in a sealed Transport and launch container:
    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile - Page 9 001311

    The ground launcher would likely look like this:
    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile - Page 9 000222
    Just with boxy containers instead of round ones.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:36 pm

    Thanks Hole! Very Happy   Good pics BTW of Avanguard installation to silo.  I'm surprised that these are available publically.  If these have been cleared for release by Russian authorities, it shows how much todays Russia has changed since the USSR where excessive secrecy was their speciality.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:30 am

    Very interesting that it has a pointed nose... suggests rather high flight speed...

    If these have been cleared for release by Russian authorities, it shows how much todays Russia has changed since the USSR where excessive secrecy was their speciality.

    Indeed... during the cold war such images would be released just a few years after they retired and were being replaced if at all.

    Of course for deterrent factor... the other side needs to see these things are real of course so they have an interest in showing the goods.., even if it is just a slip of an ankle or naked knee...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:17 am

    GarryB wrote:Very interesting that it has a pointed nose... suggests rather high flight speed...

    If these have been cleared for release by Russian authorities, it shows how much todays Russia has changed since the USSR where excessive secrecy was their speciality.

    Indeed... during the cold war such images would be released just a few years after they retired and were being replaced if at all.

    Of course for deterrent factor... the other side needs to see these things are real of course so they have an interest in showing the goods.., even if it is just a slip of an ankle or naked knee...

    Well if you have unlimited range from the use of a compact reactor, than their wouldn't be a need to keep it subsonic, because the usual trade off is speed vs range and one is usually sacrificed.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:19 am

    Hole wrote:This is Burevestnik:
    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile - Page 9 001114

    It comes in a sealed Transport and launch container:
    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile - Page 9 001311

    The ground launcher would likely look like this:
    "Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile - Page 9 000222
    Just with boxy containers instead of round ones.

    When you look at the dimensions of it's container, it wouldn't be too difficult to stack 4-6 tubes per vehicle.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:19 am

    Well if you have unlimited range from the use of a compact reactor, than their wouldn't be a need to keep it subsonic, because the usual trade off is speed vs range and one is usually sacrificed.

    The main reason they have small light turbofan engines instead of bigger more powerful turbojets is that to get long range you choose relatively low thrust fuel efficient engines that limit you to subsonic speeds.

    With unlimited range, then the limit is the size and weight of the propulsion system...

    As an example... the tests with strategic bombers with nuke propulsion were limited to a very small payload because of the weight of the reactors and the necessary shielding to protect the crew, so they were dropped because it does not matter how good the range is, if it cannot carry a useful payload then it is useless.

    The question is... how far have they compressed the nuclear power component... and keep in mind this will be a much simpler system that directly heats air to generate thrust rather than old attempts to generate electricity to turn propellers... so basically they have gone from mini NPP to nuclear ramjet... and technically because there is no fuel burned in the accepted sense it would be a scramjet because there is no need for combustion so airflow could be supersonic through the hot stage of the engine...
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    Post  Hole on Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:52 am

    Would love to see such a ground launcher on red square next year. Twisted Evil
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    Post  Arrow on Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:06 pm

    Very interesting that it has a pointed nose... suggests rather high flight speed.. wrote:

    Do you think that Burevestnik will fly with supersonic or hypersonic speed?
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:45 pm

    Very Happy Very Happy pretending to be a serious question Very Happy Very Happy

    I hope It flys supersonic like the French scientist Said.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:08 am

    Should be SSC-007.

    Whatever its designation it certainly should have a 00, because it will definitely be licensed to kill...

    Do you think that Burevestnik will fly with supersonic or hypersonic speed?

    It definitely is not hypersonic... the nose is definitely not pointed enough for that...

    It would require a lot of energy to be supersonic at low flight altitudes... perhaps transonic at low altitudes and supersonic at high altitudes...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:04 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't think it is. It looks like it's a loader for installing silo based ICBM's, just look at the hatch door behind it.

    I thought that too, but the missile would be too short for an ICBM and the hatch (if that is what it is) looks way too large? The "loader" has the look of an environmental test shelter to allow access to missile in transit...  maybe its a transport vehicle for Burevestnik test missiles and is loading the missile into the test range launch tube?

    Definitely the loader vehicle for Avantgarde.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:49 am

    GarryB wrote:
    It definitely is not hypersonic... the nose is definitely not pointed enough for that...

    It would require a lot of energy to be supersonic at low flight altitudes... perhaps transonic at low altitudes and supersonic at high altitudes...


    I'm not sure about its radiation but is something flies fast there is air compression heating - so basically cannot be stealth. IR sensors can detect you hundreds of miles ahead.
    In case oc CMs you either need to be stealth or very, very fast to be effective.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:06 am

    Even if it was supersonic it has a nuclear motor so it does not need to operate at top thrust setting at full speed all the time... it could fly at high subsonic speeds at very low altitudes and cross into the US from any direction... it could fly around Antarctica for a month before heading north to attack targets in the US of A.

    In fact it could operate in clean subsonic and dirty supersonic modes and just fly south and loiter for a month and the go dirty and fast and fly up to US airspace and fly around the place for a month releasing mini bombs around the place all the while spewing out radioactive waste from its engine...

    It is supposed to be a doomsday device after all.

    Its enormous range and suggested subsonic speeds means it wont get to US territory until after the ICBMs and SLBMs have pretty much laid waste to the majority of military airfields and population centres, so this weapon could conceptually hit targets that have already been destroyed... perhaps a sensor with GLONASS or GPS assistance that gives radiation levels so it will only hit areas of population that have not already been hit...

    By the time it is lining up its targets there will be no air defence forces operating on either side...
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:Even if it was supersonic it has a nuclear motor so it does not need to operate at top thrust setting at full speed all the time... it could fly at high subsonic speeds at very low altitudes and cross into the US from any direction... it could fly around Antarctica for a month before heading north to attack targets in the US of A.

    In fact it could operate in clean subsonic and dirty supersonic modes and just fly south and loiter for a month and the go dirty and fast and fly up to US airspace and fly around the place for a month releasing mini bombs around the place all the while spewing out radioactive waste from its engine...

    It is supposed to be a doomsday device after all.

    Its enormous range and suggested subsonic speeds means it wont get to US territory until after the ICBMs and SLBMs have pretty much laid waste to the majority of military airfields and population centres, so this weapon could conceptually hit targets that have already been destroyed... perhaps a sensor with GLONASS or GPS assistance that gives radiation levels so it will only hit areas of population that have not already been hit...

    By the time it is lining up its targets there will be no air defence forces operating on either side...
    Probably little GPS or GLOSNASS coverage either. About the only arm of the armed forces still operating will be the remaining submarines returning to bases or other ports. That's a possible target.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:19 am

    I bet on inertial (laser gyroscope based) + astonavigation homing, designers cannot assume that in case of global war there is anything like Glonass/GPS
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:41 am

    It could be fitted with a day/night indicator and could climb to enormous altitudes, where its propulsion would be rather more efficient and higher speeds easier to achieve and it could use the position of the sun and the stars to determine its location reasonably accurately... together with ring laser gyro data of course...

    I suspect sub bases would be targeted by Poseidon, but certainly there will be a range of potential targets they could look at engaging...

    In fact they could pack a dozen or more small compact low yield nuke bombs on board that are only 10-20kgs each with a few dozen KT warheads that could be ejected over target areas... just to spread the love... make them all surface burst so they irradiate a lot of top soil...

    These are pretty much vengeance weapons... Hitler would be green with envy...
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    As suggested by GunshipDiplomacy, cross posting this nuclear ram/scramjet link here due to historical references.

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