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    Re: "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 19, 2018 7:34 am

    Another factor is how many do they have... they might make 20-30, but 10-20 of them might just be used as research... they could use those in war time to simulate a noisy version of Yassen or Borei to draw out enemy subs... you could design the thing to have no air cavities in it and make it super strong so even a direct hit from a torpedo wont even damage it... you could use it as a perimeter system around a carrier group... it could zip ahead at 60-70 knots and use active sonar in choke points and make noises to simulate any type of ship or sub... any mines set to destroy carriers could be set off... enemy subs detected... the worst thing that could happen is you lose the drone... but you will get a warning and with a satellite link and datalink you might get a warning as to what did it... if it is armed with 4 or 5 torpedos scabbed to its side it could have a go at any ship or sub it does detect...

    During peace time, as I said... UUV for maritime research...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon May 21, 2018 1:47 pm


    Rosatom will develop heavy-metal reactors for military usage
    The specialists of OKB Hydropress, which is part of the state corporation Rosatom, are developing reactors with heavy liquid metal coolants for defense purposes, the company's report for 2017 reported.

    As quoted by RIA Novosti's report materials , and they are on the site of the corporate information disclosure center, reactor installations with heavy liquid metal coolant were carried out within the framework of the state defense order. No more details are reported.

    Heavy liquid-metal coolants are lead or an alloy of lead with bismuth. On fast neutrons with lead-bismuth cooling, reactors for nuclear submarines were created. Some of the most famous are nuclear power plants for the most high-speed and maneuverable Soviet nuclear submarines of Project 705 and 705K. Abroad they are known as "Alpha". By the way, these submarines were included in the Guinness Book of Records for their high-speed performance. Moreover, these reactors had the possibility of obtaining large capacities at small plant sizes.

    According to experts, reactor installations with heavy-metal lead-bismuth coolant can be used on Russian unmanned combat underwater vehicles.

    https://rg.ru/2018/05/18/rosatom-razrabotaet-dlia-voennyh-tiazhelometallicheskie-reaktory.html

    SO beyond Poseidon? or Husky a la hushed up version of Lira?






    GarryB wrote:Another factor is how many do they have... they might make 20-30, but 10-20 of them might just be used as research...

    During peace time, as I said... UUV for maritime research...


    The first doesn't exclude the other option to me Smile



    if it is armed with 4 or 5 torpedos scabbed to its side it could have a go at any ship or sub it does detect...

    It doesn't have to carry torpedoes on its side - there isa weapon bay . BTW In SAP 2027 there were mentioned "bottom based " ballistic missiles right?
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    Re: "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

    Post  kvs on Tue May 22, 2018 4:46 am

    Re: bitching about 2 Mtons above

    Why would the Russian military disclose the yield of the warhead for this device? So that America can more easily take counter-measures?
    People here are like Pavolv's dogs drooling on queue over every piece of media shite extruded on Russian military subjects.

    It is patently obvious that this deep submersible can carry a 50+ Mton warhead since it can have a payload of at least 20 tons.
    This submersible makes much more sense than yet another ICBM. The ancient Tsar Bomba had a weight of 27 tons. Its modern
    variant would likely be half the weight.
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    Re: "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:01 am

    Video on Russian MoD twitter purporting to show the Poseidon nuclear mega-torpedo! Very Happy  Propulsion unit is blurred out, but still nice vid!

    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1019847603037659137


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    Re: "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:46 pm

    Russia launches trials of Poseidon underwater drone that can carry nuclear warheads

    The Poseidon oceanic multipurpose system is a principally new type of seaborne underwater weapons based on the use of drones

    MOSCOW, July 19. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry has launched the trials of Poseidon underwater drones at its testing ranges, the ministry’s press office reported on Thursday.

    "Trials have been organized at the ranges of the Defense Ministry of Russia to confirm the dynamic characteristics of the apparatus [Poseidon] during launches in a real environment and to check the parameters of the apparatus’s movement along the route in autonomous mode," the Defense Ministry said.

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    As of today, comprehensive experimental work on the underwater drone is coming to an end and industrial enterprises have carried out measures for checking the joint operation and the reliability of all the drone’s systems and assemblies, the ministry’s press office said.

    "Trials have been organized at the ranges of the Defense Ministry of Russia to confirm the dynamic characteristics of the apparatus during launches in a real environment and to check the parameters of the apparatus’s movement along the route in autonomous mode. All the measures for creating the Poseidon system are being carried out in compliance with the work schedule," Russia’s Defense Ministry said.

    The development of new strategic weapon systems "aims to increase Russia’s defense capability and prevent any aggression against our country and its allies," the Defense Ministry stressed.


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:51 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Video on Russian MoD twitter purporting to show the Poseidon nuclear mega-torpedo! Very Happy  Propulsion unit is blurred out, but still nice vid!

    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1019847603037659137

    Looks like the MoD messed up, nowadays such blurs could easily be undone.
    They should have blacked it out instead.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:44 pm

    This is a f...ing large "torpedo".
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    Re: "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:29 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Video on Russian MoD twitter purporting to show the Poseidon nuclear mega-torpedo! Very Happy  Propulsion unit is blurred out, but still nice vid!

    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1019847603037659137

    Looks like the MoD messed up, nowadays such blurs could easily be undone.
    They should have blacked it out instead.

    Only if was done with a package like Adobe Photoshop which actually saves enough information or uses an invertible algorithm
    allowing one to rebuild the original.   Many do not know this detail and get caught.   I doubt the Russian video was manipulated
    with Photoshop or similar.    There is no way to extract high resolution data from coarsened data.   Sub-pixel (like sub-grid scale
    in models) detail cannot be recovered.    There is no closure relation between the large scale and the small scale.


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    Re: "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 am

    Hole wrote:This is a f...ing large "torpedo".

    The liberast retards in the comment section are actually bitching about the use of animations.

    LOL.

    This thing can easily carry a 10+ ton warhead. That is likely 100 Mton yield.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:49 am

    What do they expect? Half a year ago we didn´t even know this thing exists. No one should expect underwater videos from tests at this point.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:47 am

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:This is a f...ing large "torpedo".

    The liberast retards in the comment section are actually bitching about the use of animations.

    LOL.

    This thing can easily carry a 10+ ton warhead. That is likely 100 Mton yield.

    No it carries 2 Mt warhead like Avangrad.

    Any idea how much of an under water explosion would 2Mt TN bomb would create and could sink a CBG , How far does it need to be from CBG so that just the blast effect can sink the entire fleet.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:29 am

    In Russia they told about the homing of the weapon of the "Judgment Day"

    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/07/25/poseidon/
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    Re: "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:38 am

    Standard anti sub depth charges are in the order of 15kt and have a lethal radius of about 9kms where the shockwaves would crush an underwater vessel.

    2MT is 2,000 kts, so we are talking about a pretty devastating weapon against subs and surface ships.

    To be clear a 2MT warhead going off in a harbour would be devastating. normally the heat and blast spread over a reasonable area, but the volume of material in the bomb itself is vapourised and spreads radioactive material around the place.

    An underwater detonation would superheat enormous volumes of salt water and mud which would fall as rain over the immediate are and probably be rather damaging to anyone outside that is exposed to this super hot irradiated material.

    Not very pleasant at all.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:48 am

    Massive



    Lenght: 20m, Diameter: 2m
    For comparison, the R-39 (SS-N-20) is 16m long and has a diameter of 2,4m. Weight: 84t. Poseidon has newer materials, no solid fuel, but i guess it weighs some 50 - 60 tons.

    Means of delivery:
    Subs: Sarov (testing(, Belgorod, Khabarovsk, follow-on class is being designed. Propably Podmoskopvye (externaly).
    Ships: Zwosdotschka, Akademik Kovalev, Akademik Aleksandrov, Elbrus, possibly every ship with a large crane or a slipway.
    Land: every harbor in Russia with a large crane (which means every harbor)


    Even delivery trough air could be possible. An An-124 could carry one. Would need some big parachutes.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:27 am

    GarryB wrote:Standard anti sub depth charges are in the order of 15kt and have a lethal radius of about 9kms where the shockwaves would crush an underwater vessel.

    2MT is 2,000 kts, so we are talking about a pretty devastating weapon against subs and surface ships.

    To be clear a 2MT warhead going off in a harbour would be devastating. normally the heat and blast spread over a reasonable area, but the volume of material in the bomb itself is vapourised and spreads radioactive material around the place.

    An underwater detonation would superheat enormous volumes of salt water and mud which would fall as rain over the immediate are and probably be rather damaging to anyone outside that is exposed to this super hot irradiated material.

    Not very pleasant at all.

    I would rather use it to vaporise the CBG , lets assume a lethal radius of 20 km , This thing can just come from below and at 20 km from CBG just blows itself off taking every thing along with it.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:51 pm

    Hole wrote:Massive



    Lenght: 20m, Diameter: 2m
    For comparison, the R-39 (SS-N-20) is 16m long and has a diameter of 2,4m. Weight: 84t. Poseidon has newer materials, no solid fuel, but i guess it weighs some 50 - 60 tons.

    Means of delivery:
    Subs: Sarov (testing(, Belgorod, Khabarovsk, follow-on class is being designed. Propably Podmoskopvye (externaly).
    Ships: Zwosdotschka, Akademik Kovalev, Akademik Aleksandrov, Elbrus, possibly every ship with a large crane or a slipway.
    Land: every harbor in Russia with a large crane (which means every harbor)


    Even delivery trough air could be possible. An An-124 could carry one. Would need some big parachutes.

    250-300 tons.

    The density of it should be the same like the water around it.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:15 pm

    Austin wrote:....
    I would rather use it to vaporise the CBG , lets assume a lethal radius of 20 km , This thing can just come from below and at 20 km from CBG just blows itself off taking every thing along with it.

    If you are hitting CBGs that means that you are in nuclear war. So in that case there is no point in wasting nuclear weapons on secondary targets like CBGs, save them for cities because those are targets that matter.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Austin wrote:....
    I would rather use it to vaporise the CBG , lets assume a lethal radius of 20 km , This thing can just come from below and at 20 km from CBG just blows itself off taking every thing along with it.

    If you are hitting CBGs that means that you are in nuclear war. So in that case there is no point in wasting nuclear weapons on secondary targets like CBGs, save them for cities because those are targets that matter.

    All targets are important and there are enough nuclear weapons to destroy them all
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:48 pm

    Austin wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Austin wrote:....
    I would rather use it to vaporise the CBG , lets assume a lethal radius of 20 km , This thing can just come from below and at 20 km from CBG just blows itself off taking every thing along with it.

    If you are hitting CBGs that means that you are in nuclear war. So in that case there is no point in wasting nuclear weapons on secondary targets like CBGs, save them for cities because those are targets that matter.

    All targets are important and there are enough nuclear weapons to destroy them all

    Do you know what nuclear war is?
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:30 pm

    Nuclear war will be the end of climate change. Laughing
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:40 pm

    Hole wrote:Massive



    Lenght: 20m, Diameter: 2m
    For comparison, the R-39 (SS-N-20) is 16m long and has a diameter of 2,4m. Weight: 84t. Poseidon has newer materials, no solid fuel, but i guess it weighs some 50 - 60 tons.

    Means of delivery:
    Subs: Sarov (testing(, Belgorod, Khabarovsk, follow-on class is being designed. Propably Podmoskopvye (externaly).
    Ships: Zwosdotschka, Akademik Kovalev, Akademik Aleksandrov, Elbrus, possibly every ship with a large crane or a slipway.
    Land: every harbor in Russia with a large crane (which means every harbor)


    Even delivery trough air could be possible. An An-124 could carry one. Would need some big parachutes.

    Clearly this device is big enough to carry a 10+ ton payload. Proof by assertion such as the claim above that it can only carry
    a 500 kg warhead is retarded BS. What sort of moron designers would limit this device to a 2 Mton yield warhead. That
    is not the stated purpose of the Poseidon. If they want a doomsday platform then we are talking 10+ ton payloads.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:30 pm

    Hole wrote:Nuclear war will be the end of climate change. Laughing

    Or merely end of beginning of climate change... Cool
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:35 pm

    But who would care after all that? dunno

    If an R-39 can carry 10 warheads of 100kt or some 2,5t payload, this thing can definetly carry much more.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:44 pm

    If you are hitting CBGs that means that you are in nuclear war. So in that case there is no point in wasting nuclear weapons on secondary targets like CBGs, save them for cities because those are targets that matter.

    Well no, this is a Russian weapon... so it might be used to hit CBGs attacking the Russian mainland... and carriers can't move as fast as planes so it could drop a 2MT payload on its way past a carrier group at 1,000m depth that detonates after 10 minutes so the Poseiden can exit the blast area before the explosion destroys the carrier group... the drone zipping through at 80 knots might not even slow down to drop the payload...

    Or it might drop a payload well ahead of the group and then another just under so that whether the group stop or rapidly accelerate it will still get munted.

    The drone could then continue on to the US mainland to take out a port or sail up a river... or into the panama canal.

    Or merely end of beginning of climate change... Cool

    Global warming ended by nuclear winter... that can be Trumps re-election promise...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:03 am

    and now some movies. Nice comparison with a size of standing man . Material from Russian MoD. With love of course Smile



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