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    "Poseidon" Nuclear-armed Underwater Drone

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    Post  dino00 on Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Maybe you dont understand the quote.
    It has a 2 megaton warhead but if needed can be estended to 200, this is what the Russian expert Said.

    2 megaton is largest standard warhead available off-the-shelf at the moment and it will be first one to get installed on this

    Larger ones will need to be custom ordered but they won't be doing that until they fully test and introduce the whole system first

    Thats what i think.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:47 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Maybe you dont understand the quote.
    It has a 2 megaton warhead but if needed can be estended to 200, this is what the Russian expert Said.

    2 megaton is largest standard warhead available off-the-shelf at the moment and it will be first one to get installed on this

    Larger ones will need to be custom ordered but they won't be doing that until they fully test and introduce the whole system first

    Thats what i think.

    there's a  limit how many megatons you can put per tonne. So I dont think you can put into Poseidon anything you want.





    magnumcromagnon wrote:Guys remember the Fukushima Event? It's still a massive economic-blackhole for Japan, it would be drop in the ocean compared to a Poseidon detonation. Use this as a reference of the destructive potential of a radioactive tsunami on the economic base of a port based city:

    rather weaker war head or longer distance IMHO.  Depending b distance, depths or it cn be 450m tsunami... I quoted link to table of US physicists research about  underwater nuke explosion before.




    The most serious and complete analysis of the problem of the formation of waves from nuclear explosions is given in the official Pentagon study "Water Waves Generated by Underwater Explosions" . [38] Summarizing the different theories, the researchers gave a table of wave heights for nuclear explosions of different power and at different distances from the explosion point under ideal conditions for wave formation. Thus, for an underwater explosion of 100 MT power, the wave height at different distances from the epicenter will be:

    d = 9.25 km, - 202 ... 457 m;
    d = 18.5 km, - 101 ... 228 m;
    d = 92.5 km, - 20 ... 46 m;
    d = 185 km, - 10.1 ... 22 m;
    d = 925 km, - 2,0 ... 4,6 m.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:44 pm

    The Elusive "Poseidon"

    Russian supertorpedo will hit where it is least expected


    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/48763
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    Post  Hole on Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:53 pm

    Whoever wrote this has grasped the idea behind Poseidon. thumbsup
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:22 pm

    Tass wrote:The first carrier of the uninhabited submersibles "Poseidon" will be the special-purpose submarine of the project 09852 Belgorod, which will be launched in the second quarter of 2019. This was reported to TASS on Wednesday by a source in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

    “The first carrier of the Poseidon will be the nuclear submarine of special purpose Belgorod of project 09852. It will be taken out of the Sevmash shipyard and launched in the second quarter,” the agency’s source said. He clarified that the completion of the submarine afloat and mooring trials will be carried out during 2019, Belgorod is scheduled to be put in combat duty in 2020.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:06 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:
    Tass wrote:The first carrier of the uninhabited submersibles "Poseidon" will be the special-purpose submarine of the project 09852 Belgorod, which will be launched in the second quarter of 2019. This was reported to TASS on Wednesday by a source in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

    “The first carrier of the Poseidon will be the nuclear submarine of special purpose Belgorod of project 09852. It will be taken out of the Sevmash shipyard and launched in the second quarter,” the agency’s source said. He clarified that the completion of the submarine afloat and mooring trials will be carried out during 2019, Belgorod is scheduled to be put in combat duty in 2020.

    converted Oscar II SSGN Belgorod (project 09852) and Khabarovsk (project 09851)
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:23 am

    Tests "Poseidon" will take about two years, the source said

    MOSCOW, March 20 - RIA News. The full cycle of tests of the Poseidon system, the first carrier of which will be the submarine of project 949A, will take about two years, an informed source told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.
    Earlier, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Alexei Rakhmanov, confirmed to RIA Novosti that the Poseidon carrier submarine will be launched this spring.
    "For about two years, the submarine and the Poseidon torpedo themselves will undergo joint tests," said a source.
    He explained that the revised project 949A "Antey" (former Belgorod), which is currently being completed at the Sevmash plant, will act as an experimental boat.

    https://ria.ru/20190320/1551948863.html
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:30 am

    Which raises some questions... what sort of modifications of the Oscar class sub were made for it to carry Poseidons?

    The reason I ask is because if they are mounted in the front in place of torpedoes and other structures, then perhaps it can retain its Granit tubes... because if it does then perhaps the new upgrades with Onyx missiles... three to a Granit tubes could be substituted with those unlimited range nuclear powered cruise missiles... they might be bigger and only fit one per Granit missile tube, but that is fine... say three Poseidons and 24 unlimited range nuclear propelled cruise missiles... sailing down by the antarctic coast ready to launch an attack...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:40 pm

    Invincibility of "Poseidon" - a myth?
    IMO, they can move very slowly & be escorted by their quiet SSNs capable of shooting down MPA.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:42 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Invincibility of "Poseidon" - a myth?
    IMO, they can move very slowly & be escorted by their quiet SSNs capable of shooting down MPA.

    Something to keep in mind is that Poseidon's NPP has variable power outputs, so at a low power output it could theoretically creep for weeks or months at the speed of a jelly fish at deep depths, and then suddenly receive a extremely low wavelength (ELF) signal to swim at high-speed towards its targets....which begs the question could a presumably larger modernized Poseidon UUV be a future launch platform for Zircon? I wonder...

    ...And yes Poseidon will call upon the power of (ELF)'s to destroy it's enemies! Wink
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:53 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Invincibility of "Poseidon" - a myth?
    IMO, they can move very slowly & be escorted by their quiet SSNs capable of shooting down MPA.

    why not, we dont really know how is doctrine of Poseidon application foreseen?

    As for author:
    That dude is famous drama queen. On Russian forums some say fired for alcoholism. But this might be only gossip , never checked that. .
    Pretty far from reality to me. So he knows about low Poseidon chances but nobody else in MoD does? ekhm Id treat this with grain of salt




    Although they are known to specialists. However, the judgment of these specialists, widely distributed on the Internet resources, is biased. If necessary, this statement may be disclosed in more detail in a separate material.

    well and his knowledge about current state of technology is what form first hand? c'mon



    The adequacy of the very idea of ​​speech is simply not there. Especially in view of paragraphs. 1 and 3 tbsp. 35 of the Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of August 12, 1949, adopted on June 8, 1977: “1. In the case of any armed conflict, the right of the parties to the conflict to choose methods or means of warfare is not unlimited. ... 3. It is forbidden to use methods or means of warfare that are intended to cause or, as might be expected, cause extensive, long-term and serious damage to the natural environment. "


    bwahahaha convention when world ends? this guy is either deliberately distorting facts or hardly understands topic
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:40 am

    ...“1. In the case of any armed conflict, the right of the parties to the conflict to choose methods or means of warfare is not unlimited. ...


    In nuclear war it definitely is unlimited, that's the whole idea behind concept of nuclear war


    ...3. It is forbidden to use methods or means of warfare that are intended to cause or, as might be expected, cause extensive, long-term and serious damage to the natural environment. "


    Oh well in that case I'm sure that UN will investigate and prosecute guilty parties post haste lol1
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Oh well in that case I'm sure that UN will investigate and prosecute guilty parties post haste lol1

    in Hague Mickey Mouse Court?
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    Post  Arrow on Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:42 am

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/25/russias-nuclear-armed-underwater-drone-may-be-ready-for-war-in-2027.html

    Putins wunderwaffe in big trouble...
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:34 am

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/25/russias-nuclear-armed-underwater-drone-may-be-ready-for-war-in-2027.html

    Putins wunderwaffe  in big trouble...

    I'm trying to imagine how do you estimate that solving problems with nuclear reactor will take 8 years.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:59 am

    CNBC. Laughing
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:03 pm

    Arrow wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/25/russias-nuclear-armed-underwater-drone-may-be-ready-for-war-in-2027.html

    Putins wunderwaffe  in big trouble...


    , people familiar with a U.S. intelligence assessment tell CNBC.

    same people familiar told pipols unfamiliar?  same who said Iraq had ABC weapons right?right I have same level of trust  affraid affraid affraid

    Wunderwaffe?
    Interesting is that neither Putin nor anybody in Russia used "Wunderwaffe"  term. Ever.

    In turn this  was very often an d only used by Hitler and  Fashington  Nazis . Did you pay Hitler license fees for using his terms? I thought Us is very carrying  about intellectual rights protection  thumbsup  thumbsup  thumbsup    


    BTW since we are talking about Nazi terminology  I have better name for CNBC and CNN and all "sources under condition of anonymity" , "people familiar" with "highly likely"  = RMVP
    Hitler had that before too:  Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propagada,
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    Post  LMFS on Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:03 pm

    Priceless... you mean the same intelligence sources that got caught with their pants lowered on March 1st 2018 know now every detail about Poseidon and its troubles? The same that knew Burevestnik was falling to the sea but previously had no clue it even existed until Putin told them? This is a big, faaat piece of BS from a establishment in full damage control mode, so desperate they don't even care being pathetic in the attempt.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:00 am

    Hole wrote:CNBC. Laughing

    I've could've swore it used to be spelled CNeverendingBS. Wink
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:03 am

    Hehehehe... the butt hurt begins... Russia is either the most powerful force in the universe with a finger in every pie, or weaklings that copy what they can't steal...

    Of course they can't get the reactor working because the west can't either...

    Western intelligence lives up to the oxymoron again...
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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:Hehehehe... the butt hurt begins... Russia is either the most powerful force in the universe with a finger in every pie, or weaklings that copy what they can't steal...

    Of course they can't get the reactor working because the west can't either...

    Western intelligence lives up to the oxymoron again...

    No stories about Russian reactor problems from self-evidently biased NATO sources are credible. Russia is really singular in its development
    of nuclear technology. The USA has lots of dabbling, but little actual development of working models. That is why it can't even reprocess
    nuclear "waste" to be burned in fast neutron reactors which it simply does not have. Some research work in the 1960s does not mean that
    they have the technology in the bag. From various other fields, such old knowledge is basically lost since none of the people involved are
    around to work on any restart project. And paper documents (that is all there was before the 1980s, dinosaur magnetic tapes and disks
    notwithstanding) are not going to be enough since there are nuances that only the original project engineers know. Documentation is an epic
    pain in any large project, including software development. Lots of lip service is given to it in proposals and in meetings, but at the end of the
    day it is given the least priority and at best is only partially implemented.

    Just as with Russian rocket development occurring through the Super Depression of the 1990s, similar work for free happened in nuclear engineering.
    That is why we have Burevestnik. These are not hacks developed overnight. These are advances in technology which are decades in the making.
    All of the childish coverage of this tech in the NATO media is pathetic. It reminds me of the claim that the USA had a Shkval like torpedo back in
    the 1950s by Scientific American. They even have a supposedly relevant diagram of what looks like a convention torpedo to "prove it". Such
    a claim is so ludicrous that it is not even funny. The USA did not have the applied mathematics knowledge back in the 1950s to even start
    such a project. The USSR had the pioneers of turbulence and boundary layer theory which emerged after the 1940s. The Shkval looks nothing
    like any conventional torpedo and no conventionally-shaped torpedo could form a basis for testing the concept.

    Avangard is another breakthrough that is being treated as ho-hum because it was not developed by the USA. This schoolyard ploy of pumping
    up western technology while at the same time pooh-pooing Russian technology is imbecilic and credible only to morons. WWII was enough
    of a demonstration that the west can't beat Russia with technology.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:11 pm

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    Post  dino00 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:32 pm

    The Poseidon system will be adopted by the Navy by 2021, a source said.

    MOSCOW, Apr 23 - RIA News. The Poseidon system, consisting of the submarine carrier of the Belgorod UAVs (project 09852) and the vehicles themselves, will be put into service by the Russian Navy two years later, an informed source told RIA Novosti.

    The official launching ceremony of the first boat, the carrier of underwater UAVs "Poseidon" and "Belgorod" will be held on Tuesday at the Sevmash plant (Severodvinsk).
    "Within two years, the submarine and the Poseidon UAVs themselves will undergo joint tests. At the turn of 2020-2021, the entire system is planned for adoption by the Russian Navy," the agency’s source said.

    https://ria.ru/20190423/1552973397.html

    ...hmm Americans sources say not earlier than 2027... Russian sources say 2021...
    2021 looks to close.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:59 pm

    The same sources tell you that the F-35 is a wonderful plane without any problems.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:00 pm

    dino00 wrote:The Poseidon system will be adopted by the Navy by 2021, a source said.

    MOSCOW, Apr 23 - RIA News. The Poseidon system, consisting of the submarine carrier of the Belgorod UAVs (project 09852) and the vehicles themselves, will be put into service by the Russian Navy two years later, an informed source told RIA Novosti.

    The official launching ceremony of the first boat, the carrier of underwater UAVs "Poseidon" and "Belgorod" will be held on Tuesday at the Sevmash plant (Severodvinsk).
    "Within two years, the submarine and the Poseidon UAVs themselves will undergo joint tests. At the turn of 2020-2021, the entire system is planned for adoption by the Russian Navy," the agency’s source said.

    https://ria.ru/20190423/1552973397.html

    ...hmm Americans sources say not earlier than 2027... Russian sources say 2021...
    2021 looks to close.

    2 years from now. And Poseidon has been tested successfully according to both Putin and MoD, and Belgorod was launched today so it all makes sense really, 2 years of testing which is pretty standard (actually, quicker than normal) in terms of Russian standards.

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