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    Discussion about construction or not of AC/Destroyers/Cruisers for RuNavy

    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:12 am

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    eehnie wrote: Are you insulting me again while you mock the moderators and the rules of the forum?

    You know how you can embarrass all of those who are mocking you? Lider is under construction already one year  right? then wait 2-3 years until it is lunched. Than you can say "didn't I tell ya folks? "  They really feel stupid then Very Happy

    You would be right if your 2-3 years represent 20 to 30 years in reality lol1
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:08 am

    This is the best solution for your conflicts. All discussions with insults each other will be transferred here as well as repeated posts about the same again and again
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:26 pm

    In the following two comments there are collected collected links and quotes about 4 recent articles about the Project 23000 aircraft carrier:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217671
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217835

    between all them, this is the most interesting in relation with the construction of ships:

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3475950&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhW5fyiLpAVwfnu1eBTnkiYjWjRJA

    The Ministry of Defense approved the volume of the new state armament program

    As assumed by Kommersant, the approved volume of the new state armament program (SPG) for 2018-2027 is 19 trillion rubles. The Defense Ministry considers this amount sufficient.  "The LG is balanced, planned.  The most important thing is that in the current SPG, 19 trillion is the supply of arms and military equipment and 1 trillion for the synchronization system, "Tass quoted Tatyana Shevtsova, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia.

    He noted that the previous LGP did not include the costs of synchronization.  "We need a storage system, a system of basing and equipping the troops, this was not taken into account in the previous LG," Ms. Shevtsova said.

    Another deputy defense minister - Yuri Borisov - said that the main priority of the new state arms program will be the development of nuclear deterrence systems.  "The first priority, of course, is given to the development of nuclear deterrence systems, as the main type of armed forces, which guarantees the security of our country in any kind of conflicts," he said.  Also, according to him, special attention will be paid to high-precision weapons in the LG, because "this is a modern trend in the development of all military conflicts."  "If we are talking about high-precision weapons, then this is certainly a system of information support, because without information high-precision weapons do not work," added Mr. Borisov.  In addition, he spoke about developments in the direction of hypersonic technology, also noting that "nothing special" in the possible appearance of such weapons in the next decade.

    Yuri Borisov mentioned the development of aircraft carriers in the context of the LG.  "Speaking specifically about aircraft-carrying cruisers, this is the end of the program, we plan to develop and lay down modern aircraft carriers," he said.  This summer, the deputy commander-in-chief of the navy, Viktor Bursuk, said that Russia provided for the design and construction of helicopter carriers.  According to him, until 2025 it is planned to put into operation two such ships.

    The draft LG will be submitted to Russian President Vladimir Putin no later than December 15.  "Today it is at the final stage of elaboration, in the government already.  I think that no later than December 15 it will be submitted to the administration.  I can not say the exact date when the president will approve it, "Yuri Borisov said.

    As commented, this is exactly the same said in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#211908

    The marine rapid-response force is intended to be capable of conducting missions in the maritime, aerial and land domains in any part of the world. For this, new aircraft carriers will be the core of its capability, ... Work to design a new class of Russian aircraft carrier is to be completed before 2020, with construction and entry into service planned for the second phase of the doctrine (2021-2030).

    Unlike the heavy aircraft cruisers of the previous generation of Russian aircraft carriers, the new carrier design will be multirole. It is envisaged to be equipped with manned and unmanned combat systems operating in the air, at sea, underwater and possibly in space. The carrier's air groups will include radar surveillance and C2 aircraft, alongside reconnaissance and strike UAVs.

    it is envisaged that during this final phase the following will be undertaken: ... ongoing series production of the new aircraft carrier class


    For the people that wants to pay attention to the reality. All the exposed in these two messages lincked at the begin means:

    1.- Project 23000E: Variant to export. Preliminary Design completed by 2015.
    2.- Project 23000: Variant for Russia. Preliminary Design completed by 2018.

    2.1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 has been completed.
    2.2.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 is ready for examination of the Ministry of Defense.
    2.3.- Pending approval of the Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 by the Ministry of Defense.
    2.4.- The Project 23000 is meeting the schedule defined in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015. Maybe ahead of the schedule.
    2.5.- The gourvernment of Russia plans to lay down some unit of the Project 23000 aircraft carrier under the State Armament Program 2018-2027.

    Compared to other projects:

    1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23560 Lider was approved by the Russian Ministry of Defense in the spring of 2017. The Project 23560 Lider is more advanced than the Project 23000 Shtorm.
    2.- According to the public news about the Russian Marine Doctrine of 2015, a project of aircraft carrier must be ready by 2020. There is not other alternative project publicly known at this point.
    3.- The Preliminary Design of the Project ??? Kalina was completed by the summer of 2017. The Project 23000 Shtorm and the Project ??? Kalina are more or less in the same stage of development at this point.
    4.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina or the Project ??????  Kashalot of Large Amphibious Ships (helicopter carriers). The Project 23000 Shtorm is more advanced than the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina and the Project ????? Kashalot. It is logical taking into account that the works on the Project 23000 started around 2011 and the works on the Large Amphibious Ships started after the option of the Mistral ships failed, in 2014-2015.
    5.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ??? Husky or the Project ??? Submarine Interceptor.
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:54 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    2.5.- The gourvernment of Russia plans to lay down some unit of the Project 23000 aircraft carrier under the State Armament Program 2018-2027.

    You got it all wrong. Russia will lay down two Priboy class LHD and not project23000 aircraft carriers. First Priboy will be laid down in 2020 and finished in 2024 and the second will be laid down in 2022 and finished in 2026. Then Russia will focus on construction of 12 Liders.

    So guys don't get any silly ideas about aircraft carriers. This is Russia, they build submarines instead.

    The only hope for Project 23000 lied with Indian government, who decided to build their own aircraft carrier with US technology.
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:22 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    2.5.- The gourvernment of Russia plans to lay down some unit of the Project 23000 aircraft carrier under the State Armament Program 2018-2027.

    You got it all wrong. Russia will lay down to Priboy class LHD and not 23000 aircraft carriers. One Priboy will be laid down in 2020 and finished in 2024 and the other one laid down in 2022 and finished in 2026. Then Russia will focus on construction of 12 Liders.

    So guys don't get any silly ideas about aircraft carriers. This is Russia, they build submarines instead.

    The only hope for Project 23000 lied with Indian government, who decided to build their own aircraft carrier with US technology.

    Clear:

    Yuri Borisov mentioned the development of aircraft carriers in the context of the LG.  "Speaking specifically about aircraft-carrying cruisers, this is the end of the program, we plan to develop and lay down modern aircraft carriers," he said.

    This is refered to the Project 23000. It is explained in this link given in my previous comment. The measures given this week are the same previously published for the Project 23000 (export variant).

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217671
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:30 pm

    In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:35 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Just... dont. We tried. He isnt the brightest apple in the basket, if you know what i mean.
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:41 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Just... dont. We tried. He isnt the brightest apple in the basket, if you know what i mean.

    Oh he is new....poor guy he doesn't know any better
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:43 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Oh he is new....poor guy he doesn't know any better

    They should add option to share ignore lists lol1
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:45 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Relity denial.

    First, the concept of aircraft carrier was explained in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015. Second, you answered without taking the time to read the link, ad just this wek there is important information about how will be the future aircraft carrier of the Russian Armed Forces.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217835

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201802250940-tffd.htm&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhHBkwuqeYndqoEYaEYICKG9lAQTA

    General Directorate for Development: how the new Russian weapons find their way into the army

    Dmitry Sergeev
    09:48 25.02.2018

    ...
    The head of the Research Institute Admiral Nikolay Maximov emphasizes that in the life cycle of any ship it is necessary to provide for its modernization potential.
    ...
    As for the larger-scale prospective combat vehicles of the fleet, Admiral Maksimov speaks of strategic missile submarine cruisers with new ballistic missiles, and the construction of a new aircraft-carrying complex.

    Picture

    The project of such a ship has already been developed, it is known that the flight deck here will be twice as large as the TAKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", and in addition, the starting system will consist of a springboard and a booster.  By the way, the new aircraft carrier will be able to receive long-range radar surveillance aircraft, the basis of the combat composition of the ship's air group can be made up of multi-purpose multi-role fighters based on the T-50, but "adapted" for the deck.

    Another novelty for the Navy, developed under the auspices of the General Directorate of Armaments, is a new assault ship, a kind of our response to Mistral.  This ship of Russian design will be able to land and landing, and receive helicopters, and provide fire support.  As for improving the combat capabilities of the submarine fleet, now, for example, work is under way to create promising means of navigation and management.  "Today, the most accurate characteristics are issued by fiber optic gyroscopes, " said Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.  - And all this is nothing more than a phased development of various kinds of technologies.  At each stage, accuracy is improved.  If earlier it was dozens of angular minutes, today it's hundreds, and in the future thousands. "

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.sputniknews.com%2Ftechnik%2F20180225319701993-russland-marine-flugzeugtraeger%2F&edit-text=

    Russia's navy can look forward to new aircraft carriers

    technology
    18:02 25.02.2018   (updated 19:19 25.02.2018)   To the short link

    The Russian naval forces can wait tensely for a new aircraft carrier.  A corresponding project has now been prepared, reported on Sunday, the TV channel "Zvezda".

    According to preliminary calculations, the length of the new ship should be 330 meters, the width - 40 meters.  The ship is to carry up to 90 aircraft and helicopters and can record radar early warning aircraft.

    Faster than Bullet: New Missiles for Russian Navy >>>

    Crew des russischen Atomkreuzers Pjotr Welikij (Archivbild)
    ©️ Sputnik / Grigory Syssoew

    The launching system of the new aircraft carrier will consist of a so-called ski jump, a kind of "ski jump", and a device for acceleration.  The departure deck of the ship should be twice as large as that of Admiral Kuznetsov , who is currently the only aircraft carrier in the service of the Russian Seekriegsflotte.

    With the development of the new ship, the Russian Krylov Research Center in St. Petersburg should deal.  Construction is scheduled to commence under the new state-of-the-art upgrade program for the period 2018-2025.

    Both articles come have its source in the video of the first article and offer complementary information about the program.

    It is clear that the sputnik article is talking about a design strongly related to the previously known export variant of the project 23000. The numerical data agree, as we can see in every source:

    http://www.deagel.com/Fighting-Ships/Project-23000E_a003273001.aspx

    Dimensions
    Beam: 40 meter (131 foot)
    Draft: 11 meter (36.1 foot)
    Length: 330 meter (1,083 foot)

    Finally this third article extracted the following picture from the same video of the first link, arguing that can be a model of the last iteration of aircraft carrier for the Russian Armed Foces:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnavy-korabel.livejournal.com%2F184035.html

    ...The last issue of the program "Military Acceptance" of the TRC "Zvezda" dedicated to the Main Armament Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation flashed the model of a prospective aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy ( reference 1 - 00:48), shot in the office of the Deputy Minister of Defense Y. Borisov, , as is known, questions of the military-technical policy and military-technical support of the Armed Forces....


    1. Screenshot from the program "Military Acceptance", issue "Russian weapons of the future., Made under the control of the GUV" dated 25.02.2018

    ...


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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:47 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Just... dont. We tried. He isnt the brightest apple in the basket, if you know what i mean.

    From someone that sneaks as fast as possible when surface or linear integration is mentioned... Do you want to pass again the exams? Your result was quite lame last time. I remember 0/10 on economic management.
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:55 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Just... dont. We tried. He isnt the brightest apple in the basket, if you know what i mean.

    From someone that sneaks as fast as possible when surface or linear integration is mentioned... Do you want to pass again the exams? Your result was quite lame last time. I remember 0/10 on economic management.

    And there he is, managing to type and breath at the same time lol1 respekt
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:05 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Just... dont. We tried. He isnt the brightest apple in the basket, if you know what i mean.


    1.- Question Militarov, after your ridiculous remark giving reason to the guy that said it was helicopter carrier:

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201802250940-tffd.htm&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhHBkwuqeYndqoEYaEYICKG9lAQTA

    General Directorate for Development: how the new Russian weapons find their way into the army

    The project of such a ship has already been developed, it is known that the flight deck here will be twice as large as the TAKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", and in addition, the starting system will consist of a springboard and a booster.  By the way, the new aircraft carrier will be able to receive long-range radar surveillance aircraft, the basis of the combat composition of the ship's air group can be made up of multi-purpose multi-role fighters based on the T-50, but "adapted" for the deck.

    What means it technically?

    Helicopter carrier?

    Embarassed Embarassed


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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:06 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Just... dont. We tried. He isnt the brightest apple in the basket, if you know what i mean.

    Sve je to bivša reakcija, like Bata used to say.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:00 pm

    Eehnie, please, stop using quote button and colors. It is always the same quote and no one reads your long quotes anymore. Colors are awfull, they don't make us want to read your answers.
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:44 pm

    Isos wrote:Eehnie, please, stop using quote button and colors. It is always the same quote and no one reads your long quotes anymore. Colors are awfull, they don't make us want to read your answers.

    I know you hate to see your previous insults ridiculized by the reality.

    I assure you, that you and the rest of people that has been insulting me will have enough reality here to put your insults in shame.
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    Post  Kimppis on Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:48 pm

    eehnie wrote:I assure you, that you and the rest of people that has been insulting me will have enough reality here to put your insults in shame.

    Great. Are we finally done? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:59 pm

    Kimppis wrote:
    eehnie wrote:I assure you, that you and the rest of people that has been insulting me will have enough reality here to put your insults in shame.

    Great. Are we finally done? Rolling Eyes

    Another one which attacks to me are in shame under the reality.

    Done? Your shame only begins, the reality will give you all the shame you sowed.


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    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:19 pm

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    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:31 pm

    @Kimppis You can't be done with him. He is on repeat mode lol1

    @Eehnie I never insulted you. I just said what you say about russian carriers is stupid and I proved it to you.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:23 pm

    Isos wrote:@Kimppis You can't be done with him. He is on repeat mode lol1

    @Eehnie I never insulted you. I just said what you say about russian carriers is stupid and I proved it to you.

    But are crumbling you under shame of reality the? Smile
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:28 pm

    Isos wrote:@Kimppis You can't be done with him. He is on repeat mode lol1

    @Eehnie I never insulted you. I just said what you say about russian carriers is stupid and I proved it to you.

    Mirror mode, mirror of the reality that means shame on you. Fast here the mirror for you.

    The mirror for Papadragon in my signature.
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:33 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Miror of he realiy for Militarov:

    Militarov wrote:
    verkhoturye51 wrote:In the very next sentence, it's explained what is meant with "aircraft carriers". They are helicopter carriers.

    Building of aircraft carriers isn't a priority in the Russian navy right now anyway. Priority lies with amfibious ships, like Ivan Gren and Priboy, then Liders and finally aircraft carriers. From small to big, like we've seen in the past state financing program.

    Just... dont. We tried. He isnt the brightest apple in the basket, if you know what i mean.


    1.- Question Militarov, after your ridiculous remark giving reason to the guy that said it was helicopter carrier:

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201802250940-tffd.htm&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhHBkwuqeYndqoEYaEYICKG9lAQTA

    General Directorate for Development: how the new Russian weapons find their way into the army

    The project of such a ship has already been developed, it is known that the flight deck here will be twice as large as the TAKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", and in addition, the starting system will consist of a springboard and a booster.  By the way, the new aircraft carrier will be able to receive long-range radar surveillance aircraft, the basis of the combat composition of the ship's air group can be made up of multi-purpose multi-role fighters based on the T-50, but "adapted" for the deck.

    What means it technically?

    Helicopter carrier?

    Embarassed Embarassed
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:51 pm

    This week we had significant news about the plans for the construction of a new aircraft carrier for the Russian Armed Forces:

    In the following two comments there are collected collected links and quotes about 4 recent articles about the Project 23000 aircraft carrier:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217671
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217835

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3475950&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhW5fyiLpAVwfnu1eBTnkiYjWjRJA

    The Ministry of Defense approved the volume of the new state armament program

    As assumed by Kommersant, the approved volume of the new state armament program (SPG) for 2018-2027 is 19 trillion rubles. The Defense Ministry considers this amount sufficient.  "The LG is balanced, planned.  The most important thing is that in the current SPG, 19 trillion is the supply of arms and military equipment and 1 trillion for the synchronization system, "Tass quoted Tatyana Shevtsova, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia.

    He noted that the previous LGP did not include the costs of synchronization.  "We need a storage system, a system of basing and equipping the troops, this was not taken into account in the previous LG," Ms. Shevtsova said.

    Another deputy defense minister - Yuri Borisov - said that the main priority of the new state arms program will be the development of nuclear deterrence systems.  "The first priority, of course, is given to the development of nuclear deterrence systems, as the main type of armed forces, which guarantees the security of our country in any kind of conflicts," he said.  Also, according to him, special attention will be paid to high-precision weapons in the LG, because "this is a modern trend in the development of all military conflicts."  "If we are talking about high-precision weapons, then this is certainly a system of information support, because without information high-precision weapons do not work," added Mr. Borisov.  In addition, he spoke about developments in the direction of hypersonic technology, also noting that "nothing special" in the possible appearance of such weapons in the next decade.

    Yuri Borisov mentioned the development of aircraft carriers in the context of the LG.  "Speaking specifically about aircraft-carrying cruisers, this is the end of the program, we plan to develop and lay down modern aircraft carriers," he said.  This summer, the deputy commander-in-chief of the navy, Viktor Bursuk, said that Russia provided for the design and construction of helicopter carriers.  According to him, until 2025 it is planned to put into operation two such ships.

    The draft LG will be submitted to Russian President Vladimir Putin no later than December 15.  "Today it is at the final stage of elaboration, in the government already.  I think that no later than December 15 it will be submitted to the administration.  I can not say the exact date when the president will approve it, "Yuri Borisov said.

    As commented, this is exactly the same said in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#211908

    The marine rapid-response force is intended to be capable of conducting missions in the maritime, aerial and land domains in any part of the world. For this, new aircraft carriers will be the core of its capability, ... Work to design a new class of Russian aircraft carrier is to be completed before 2020, with construction and entry into service planned for the second phase of the doctrine (2021-2030).

    Unlike the heavy aircraft cruisers of the previous generation of Russian aircraft carriers, the new carrier design will be multirole. It is envisaged to be equipped with manned and unmanned combat systems operating in the air, at sea, underwater and possibly in space. The carrier's air groups will include radar surveillance and C2 aircraft, alongside reconnaissance and strike UAVs.

    it is envisaged that during this final phase the following will be undertaken: ... ongoing series production of the new aircraft carrier class

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201802250940-tffd.htm&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhHBkwuqeYndqoEYaEYICKG9lAQTA

    General Directorate for Development: how the new Russian weapons find their way into the army

    Dmitry Sergeev
    09:48 25.02.2018

    ...
    The head of the Research Institute Admiral Nikolay Maximov emphasizes that in the life cycle of any ship it is necessary to provide for its modernization potential.
    ...
    As for the larger-scale prospective combat vehicles of the fleet, Admiral Maksimov speaks of strategic missile submarine cruisers with new ballistic missiles, and the construction of a new aircraft-carrying complex.

    Picture

    The project of such a ship has already been developed, it is known that the flight deck here will be twice as large as the TAKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", and in addition, the starting system will consist of a springboard and a booster.  By the way, the new aircraft carrier will be able to receive long-range radar surveillance aircraft, the basis of the combat composition of the ship's air group can be made up of multi-purpose multi-role fighters based on the T-50, but "adapted" for the deck.

    Another novelty for the Navy, developed under the auspices of the General Directorate of Armaments, is a new assault ship, a kind of our response to Mistral.  This ship of Russian design will be able to land and landing, and receive helicopters, and provide fire support.  As for improving the combat capabilities of the submarine fleet, now, for example, work is under way to create promising means of navigation and management.  "Today, the most accurate characteristics are issued by fiber optic gyroscopes, " said Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.  - And all this is nothing more than a phased development of various kinds of technologies.  At each stage, accuracy is improved.  If earlier it was dozens of angular minutes, today it's hundreds, and in the future thousands. "

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.sputniknews.com%2Ftechnik%2F20180225319701993-russland-marine-flugzeugtraeger%2F&edit-text=

    Russia's navy can look forward to new aircraft carriers

    technology
    18:02 25.02.2018   (updated 19:19 25.02.2018)   To the short link

    The Russian naval forces can wait tensely for a new aircraft carrier.  A corresponding project has now been prepared, reported on Sunday, the TV channel "Zvezda".

    According to preliminary calculations, the length of the new ship should be 330 meters, the width - 40 meters.  The ship is to carry up to 90 aircraft and helicopters and can record radar early warning aircraft.

    Faster than Bullet: New Missiles for Russian Navy >>>

    Crew des russischen Atomkreuzers Pjotr Welikij (Archivbild)
    ©️ Sputnik / Grigory Syssoew

    The launching system of the new aircraft carrier will consist of a so-called ski jump, a kind of "ski jump", and a device for acceleration.  The departure deck of the ship should be twice as large as that of Admiral Kuznetsov , who is currently the only aircraft carrier in the service of the Russian Seekriegsflotte.

    With the development of the new ship, the Russian Krylov Research Center in St. Petersburg should deal.  Construction is scheduled to commence under the new state-of-the-art upgrade program for the period 2018-2025.

    Both articles come have its source in the video of the first article and offer complementary information about the program.

    It is clear that the sputnik article is talking about a design strongly related to the previously known export variant of the project 23000. The numerical data agree, as we can see in every source:

    http://www.deagel.com/Fighting-Ships/Project-23000E_a003273001.aspx

    Dimensions
    Beam: 40 meter (131 foot)
    Draft: 11 meter (36.1 foot)
    Length: 330 meter (1,083 foot)

    Finally this third article extracted the following picture from the same video of the first link, arguing that can be a model of the last iteration of aircraft carrier for the Russian Armed Foces:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnavy-korabel.livejournal.com%2F184035.html

    ...The last issue of the program "Military Acceptance" of the TRC "Zvezda" dedicated to the Main Armament Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation flashed the model of a prospective aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy ( reference 1 - 00:48), shot in the office of the Deputy Minister of Defense Y. Borisov, , as is known, questions of the military-technical policy and military-technical support of the Armed Forces....


    1. Screenshot from the program "Military Acceptance", issue "Russian weapons of the future., Made under the control of the GUV" dated 25.02.2018

    ...
    For the people that wants to pay attention to the reality. All the exposed in these two messages lincked at the begin means:

    1.- Project 23000E: Variant to export. Preliminary Design completed by 2015.
    2.- Project 23000: Variant for Russia. Preliminary Design completed by 2018.

    2.1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 has been completed.
    2.2.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 is ready for examination of the Ministry of Defense.
    2.3.- Pending approval of the Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 by the Ministry of Defense.
    2.4.- The Project 23000 is meeting the schedule defined in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015. Maybe ahead of the schedule.
    2.5.- The gourvernment of Russia plans to lay down some unit of the Project 23000 aircraft carrier under the State Armament Program 2018-2027.

    Compared to other projects:

    1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23560 Lider was approved by the Russian Ministry of Defense in the spring of 2017. The Project 23560 Lider is more advanced than the Project 23000 Shtorm.
    2.- According to the public news about the Russian Marine Doctrine of 2015, a project of aircraft carrier must be ready by 2020. There is not other alternative project publicly known at this point.
    3.- The Preliminary Design of the Project ??? Kalina was completed by the summer of 2017. The Project 23000 Shtorm and the Project ??? Kalina are more or less in the same stage of development at this point.
    4.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina or the Project ??????  Kashalot of Large Amphibious Ships (helicopter carriers). The Project 23000 Shtorm is more advanced than the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina and the Project ????? Kashalot. It is logical taking into account that the works on the Project 23000 started around 2011 and the works on the Large Amphibious Ships started after the option of the Mistral ships failed, in 2014-2015.
    5.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ??? Husky or the Project ??? Submarine Interceptor.
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    Re: Discussion about construction or not of ships for RuNavy

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:06 am

    eehnie wrote:This week we had significant news about the plans for the construction of a new aircraft carrier for the Russian Armed Forces:

    In the following two comments there are collected collected links and quotes about 4 recent articles about the Project 23000 aircraft carrier:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217671
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p75-state-armament-program-2018-2027#217835

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3475950&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhW5fyiLpAVwfnu1eBTnkiYjWjRJA

    The Ministry of Defense approved the volume of the new state armament program

    As assumed by Kommersant, the approved volume of the new state armament program (SPG) for 2018-2027 is 19 trillion rubles. The Defense Ministry considers this amount sufficient.  "The LG is balanced, planned.  The most important thing is that in the current SPG, 19 trillion is the supply of arms and military equipment and 1 trillion for the synchronization system, "Tass quoted Tatyana Shevtsova, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia.

    He noted that the previous LGP did not include the costs of synchronization.  "We need a storage system, a system of basing and equipping the troops, this was not taken into account in the previous LG," Ms. Shevtsova said.

    Another deputy defense minister - Yuri Borisov - said that the main priority of the new state arms program will be the development of nuclear deterrence systems.  "The first priority, of course, is given to the development of nuclear deterrence systems, as the main type of armed forces, which guarantees the security of our country in any kind of conflicts," he said.  Also, according to him, special attention will be paid to high-precision weapons in the LG, because "this is a modern trend in the development of all military conflicts."  "If we are talking about high-precision weapons, then this is certainly a system of information support, because without information high-precision weapons do not work," added Mr. Borisov.  In addition, he spoke about developments in the direction of hypersonic technology, also noting that "nothing special" in the possible appearance of such weapons in the next decade.

    Yuri Borisov mentioned the development of aircraft carriers in the context of the LG.  "Speaking specifically about aircraft-carrying cruisers, this is the end of the program, we plan to develop and lay down modern aircraft carriers," he said.  This summer, the deputy commander-in-chief of the navy, Viktor Bursuk, said that Russia provided for the design and construction of helicopter carriers.  According to him, until 2025 it is planned to put into operation two such ships.

    The draft LG will be submitted to Russian President Vladimir Putin no later than December 15.  "Today it is at the final stage of elaboration, in the government already.  I think that no later than December 15 it will be submitted to the administration.  I can not say the exact date when the president will approve it, "Yuri Borisov said.

    As commented, this is exactly the same said in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#211908

    The marine rapid-response force is intended to be capable of conducting missions in the maritime, aerial and land domains in any part of the world. For this, new aircraft carriers will be the core of its capability, ... Work to design a new class of Russian aircraft carrier is to be completed before 2020, with construction and entry into service planned for the second phase of the doctrine (2021-2030).

    Unlike the heavy aircraft cruisers of the previous generation of Russian aircraft carriers, the new carrier design will be multirole. It is envisaged to be equipped with manned and unmanned combat systems operating in the air, at sea, underwater and possibly in space. The carrier's air groups will include radar surveillance and C2 aircraft, alongside reconnaissance and strike UAVs.

    it is envisaged that during this final phase the following will be undertaken: ... ongoing series production of the new aircraft carrier class

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201802250940-tffd.htm&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhHBkwuqeYndqoEYaEYICKG9lAQTA

    General Directorate for Development: how the new Russian weapons find their way into the army

    Dmitry Sergeev
    09:48 25.02.2018

    ...
    The head of the Research Institute Admiral Nikolay Maximov emphasizes that in the life cycle of any ship it is necessary to provide for its modernization potential.
    ...
    As for the larger-scale prospective combat vehicles of the fleet, Admiral Maksimov speaks of strategic missile submarine cruisers with new ballistic missiles, and the construction of a new aircraft-carrying complex.

    Picture

    The project of such a ship has already been developed, it is known that the flight deck here will be twice as large as the TAKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", and in addition, the starting system will consist of a springboard and a booster.  By the way, the new aircraft carrier will be able to receive long-range radar surveillance aircraft, the basis of the combat composition of the ship's air group can be made up of multi-purpose multi-role fighters based on the T-50, but "adapted" for the deck.

    Another novelty for the Navy, developed under the auspices of the General Directorate of Armaments, is a new assault ship, a kind of our response to Mistral.  This ship of Russian design will be able to land and landing, and receive helicopters, and provide fire support.  As for improving the combat capabilities of the submarine fleet, now, for example, work is under way to create promising means of navigation and management.  "Today, the most accurate characteristics are issued by fiber optic gyroscopes, " said Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.  - And all this is nothing more than a phased development of various kinds of technologies.  At each stage, accuracy is improved.  If earlier it was dozens of angular minutes, today it's hundreds, and in the future thousands. "

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.sputniknews.com%2Ftechnik%2F20180225319701993-russland-marine-flugzeugtraeger%2F&edit-text=

    Russia's navy can look forward to new aircraft carriers

    technology
    18:02 25.02.2018   (updated 19:19 25.02.2018)   To the short link

    The Russian naval forces can wait tensely for a new aircraft carrier.  A corresponding project has now been prepared, reported on Sunday, the TV channel "Zvezda".

    According to preliminary calculations, the length of the new ship should be 330 meters, the width - 40 meters.  The ship is to carry up to 90 aircraft and helicopters and can record radar early warning aircraft.

    Faster than Bullet: New Missiles for Russian Navy >>>

    Crew des russischen Atomkreuzers Pjotr Welikij (Archivbild)
    ©️ Sputnik / Grigory Syssoew

    The launching system of the new aircraft carrier will consist of a so-called ski jump, a kind of "ski jump", and a device for acceleration.  The departure deck of the ship should be twice as large as that of Admiral Kuznetsov , who is currently the only aircraft carrier in the service of the Russian Seekriegsflotte.

    With the development of the new ship, the Russian Krylov Research Center in St. Petersburg should deal.  Construction is scheduled to commence under the new state-of-the-art upgrade program for the period 2018-2025.

    Both articles come have its source in the video of the first article and offer complementary information about the program.

    It is clear that the sputnik article is talking about a design strongly related to the previously known export variant of the project 23000. The numerical data agree, as we can see in every source:

    http://www.deagel.com/Fighting-Ships/Project-23000E_a003273001.aspx

    Dimensions
    Beam: 40 meter (131 foot)
    Draft: 11 meter (36.1 foot)
    Length: 330 meter (1,083 foot)

    Finally this third article extracted the following picture from the same video of the first link, arguing that can be a model of the last iteration of aircraft carrier for the Russian Armed Foces:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnavy-korabel.livejournal.com%2F184035.html

    ...The last issue of the program "Military Acceptance" of the TRC "Zvezda" dedicated to the Main Armament Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation flashed the model of a prospective aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy ( reference 1 - 00:48), shot in the office of the Deputy Minister of Defense Y. Borisov, , as is known, questions of the military-technical policy and military-technical support of the Armed Forces....


    1. Screenshot from the program "Military Acceptance", issue "Russian weapons of the future., Made under the control of the GUV" dated 25.02.2018

    ...
    For the people that wants to pay attention to the reality. All the exposed in these two messages lincked at the begin means:

    1.- Project 23000E: Variant to export. Preliminary Design completed by 2015.
    2.- Project 23000: Variant for Russia. Preliminary Design completed by 2018.

    2.1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 has been completed.
    2.2.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 is ready for examination of the Ministry of Defense.
    2.3.- Pending approval of the Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 by the Ministry of Defense.
    2.4.- The Project 23000 is meeting the schedule defined in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015. Maybe ahead of the schedule.
    2.5.- The gourvernment of Russia plans to lay down some unit of the Project 23000 aircraft carrier under the State Armament Program 2018-2027.

    Compared to other projects:

    1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23560 Lider was approved by the Russian Ministry of Defense in the spring of 2017. The Project 23560 Lider is more advanced than the Project 23000 Shtorm.
    2.- According to the public news about the Russian Marine Doctrine of 2015, a project of aircraft carrier must be ready by 2020. There is not other alternative project publicly known at this point.
    3.- The Preliminary Design of the Project ??? Kalina was completed by the summer of 2017. The Project 23000 Shtorm and the Project ??? Kalina are more or less in the same stage of development at this point.
    4.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina or the Project ??????  Kashalot of Large Amphibious Ships (helicopter carriers). The Project 23000 Shtorm is more advanced than the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina and the Project ????? Kashalot. It is logical taking into account that the works on the Project 23000 started around 2011 and the works on the Large Amphibious Ships started after the option of the Mistral ships failed, in 2014-2015.
    5.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ??? Husky or the Project ??? Submarine Interceptor.

    why u repeat the same again and again in different topics?

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