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    Which is most reliable partner for Russia? (Turks or Kurds)

    Post  eehnie on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:40 am

    This is not a topic and a poll that I opened.

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    Re: Which is most reliable partner for Russia? (Turks or Kurds)

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:57 am

    There is a rule that when a topic reaches 990 answers we locked it and open new one.

    Many members questioned why in a new syrian cicvil war thread should be poll since in none before wasnt.

    I think the best solution is this. New topic, with new subject-poll with the poll question restored


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    Re: Which is most reliable partner for Russia? (Turks or Kurds)

    Post  MechanizedOne on Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:29 am

    Not that i'm a geostrategic expert but I would say the Kurds are probably better at this point for Russia than the Turks. Yes obviously Turkey is much more powerful in a lot of ways (Economy, Military, etc) but I think that they would make unreliable allies and are just in it for themselves all the way, going with whoever would promise them the most after any potential war was over. This seems to be part of a general policy of "Neo-Ottomanism", trying to expand Turkish power and influence and "flex Turkish muscle" at the expense of everyone else.

    In many ways Turkey has snubbed Russia already, e.g the downing of the SU-24M in 2015 (yes the aircraft was "unidentified" but who else is going to be operating a plane like that at that time in Syria?). Not only that but Russia disputes the Turkish claim that the aircraft entered Turkish airspace, with Russian Ministry of Defence satellite data supposedly showing that the plane was 1km inside Syria at the time...(Would post the link to the Russian Ministry of Defence video showcasing this here but cant for another 7 days. Just go on youtube and type "MAP: Russian Su-24 crash scheme by defense ministry" and it should come up).

    At least if Russia assisted the Kurds, they would have a weaker but much more reliable partner in such a volatile region, meaning that they would have at least 2 nations that they could count on in the area (the second being Syria).

    As well, bringing Turkey into the Russian bloc somehow would probably alienate Greece, which as we know still enjoys a good friendship with Russia despite being stuck in NATO and being a virtual colony of Germany in the EU (although that is getting into an entirely different topic).

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    Re: Which is most reliable partner for Russia? (Turks or Kurds)

    Post  fredleander on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:14 am

    "Most reliable" I couldn't say with Kurds presently being supported by the US and Turkey a NATO member apt to change its attitude as soon the Kurdish problem is solved.

    "Best", however, is undoubtedly Turkey - simply because they control the Bosporus and Dardanelles. How can Russia support their (and Assad's) forces in Syria if Bosporus is closed and Turkey and the US controls the air space between Russia and Syria? From the Baltics or Murmansk area?

    That said, I believe Iran would be a good ally for Russia. The Iranians are pragmatic and working in the long term. While Turkey can effectively close the Bosporus, a Russia/Iran constellation could close the Persian Gulf.


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    Re: Which is most reliable partner for Russia? (Turks or Kurds)

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:22 pm

    Pretty pointless to compare the value of an alliance with a country with the value of an alliance with a group.

    Erdoan wont be there forever so the unpredictable nature is ongoing, but better relations between Russia and Turkey offer other bonuses, while an alliance with the Kurds offers nothing really... except the division of Syria and an annoyance to Turkey and Iran and Iraq...

    There is no value in good relations with the Kurds for Russia... they are an enemy to Syria, and certainly friends with the US at the moment.

    Turkey, on the other hand controls access to the med by sea, and offers a useful conduit for Russia gas to europe that bypasses the Ukraine.

    Hate to say it but with Turkey buying S-400s it is just as much a client as Greece is, and with the potential for even more...

    A friendly turkey is vastly more useful for Russia and Turkey than a friendly Kurdish group.

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    Re: Which is most reliable partner for Russia? (Turks or Kurds)

    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:42 pm

    None are reliable partners.

    So neither vote.

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