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    Russian Navy: Status & News #4

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    Post  Truck Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:18 am

    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?
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    Post  dino00 Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 pm

    Nobody had reliable antitorpedos”

    Chief Designer of the Package-E / NK complex Konstantin Drobot - how Russian ships and submarines become invulnerable

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    Post  Admin Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:26 pm

    George1 wrote:

    The Navy will not lose in its combat power, since the dismantled ships and submarines will be replaced with new ones, military expert Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    This military expert is laughable if he thinks renovating old warships means replacing them with new ones.

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    Post  George1 Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:44 pm

    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:47 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    The Navy will not lose in its combat power, since the dismantled ships and submarines will be replaced with new ones, military expert Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia.
    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    This military expert is laughable if he thinks renovating old warships means replacing them with new ones.
    What do u mean? He means those ships & subs will be replaced by new 1s, so the VMF combat power won't decrease.
    But IMO they could offer to sell the CGNs "as is" instead to India or China, $aving on dismantling. They have plenty of years left in them, since 2 of their sister ships r being upgraded & kept in commission. But perhaps the whole point is for some companies to make $ on dismantling & for the VMF to use them for cannibalization.


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    Post  dino00 Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:49 pm

    Hope for the series: for the Russian Navy laid a few new ships

    Will the president’s attention help the replenishment of the Russian fleet?
    Ilya Kramnik


    Who exactly will be engaged in its decision - also, apparently, it will soon become clear: rumors about a possible emergency replacement of the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy are not in the depths of the military department for the first week.

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    Post  Admin Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:53 pm

    George1 wrote:

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    The original plan was to scrap all of them and have 10 Boreys. I don't see that having changed. Modernising Deltas takes away much needed funding for new construction. If a ship is decommissioned it shouldn't be coming back.

    The Yasen class is prohibitively expensive. If they don't get costs under control they will likely cap it at the four and make something cheaper. That will keep these old attack submarines refurbished in the mean time.
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    Post  Admin Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:09 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    What do u mean? He means those ships & subs will be replaced by new 1s, so the VMF combat power won't decrease.
    But IMO they could offer to sell the CGNs "as is" instead to India or China, $aving on dismantling. They have plenty of years left in them, since 2 of their sister ships r being upgraded & kept in commission. But perhaps the whole point is for some companies to make $ on dismantling & for the VMF to use them for cannibalization.

    There are no new cruisers that are replacing Ushakov and Lazarev. He thinks refurbishing the other two are new replacements which is laughable. Losing 3 Deltas to get one Borey is not replacement, it is downsizing. There is a propaganda among the ministries to report that refurbished items count as new, which is the biggest joke of all.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:25 am

    There are no new cruisers that are replacing Ushakov and Lazarev.
    They were in reserve awaiting refits for so long that no1 really missed them, except Russian patriots & VMF fans.
    Perhaps the only way to keep the youngest 2 of them is to get rid of the 2 older 1s, $aving on their refit & maintenance/ops. For the price of 1, they could get 2-3 smaller ships that can be based in any port.
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    Post  Admin Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:33 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    There are no new cruisers that are replacing Ushakov and Lazarev.
    They were in reserve awaiting refits for so long that no1 really missed them, except Russian patriots & VMF fans.
    Perhaps the only way to keep the youngest 2 of them is to get rid of the 2 older 1s, $aving on their refit & maintenance/ops.  For the price of 1, they could get 2-3 smaller ships that can be based in any port.

    I wonder how they plan to refurbish the Kirovs, the only dry dock long enough to do it sank with PD-50.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:07 am

    The Nakhimov is going to the Pac. Fleet & could complete its refit in the Zvezda drydock there, or in Crimea's Zaliv, if needed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battlecruiser_Admiral_Nakhimov#Reactivation

    They could also send the Peter the Great there too.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:13 am

    If they want to make 20K ton destroyers then they are going to need a lot of bigger docks to work on them and to build them.

    They will be needing lots of big tankers and LNG carriers too so time to start expanding their handling and production capacity to allow for much bigger vessels.
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    Post  Truck Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:23 am

    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  There are 2 active and 1 reserve:
    SSN B-138 Obninsk Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-448 Tambov Project 671RTMK 1992 reserve
    And the decision about scrapping is made habitually at the time of the decommission, now only would be the signature of a contract for scrapping in the case of 4 of the 6.
    Eehnie explained very well the meaning of reduction of the fleet.
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2 (Lazarev and Tambov)?
    Lazarev has not replacement at least until the commission of the first Lider. Tambov is recent.
    Your two comments have been a disaster.
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    Post  George1 Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:15 am

    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  There are 2 active and 1 reserve:
    SSN B-138 Obninsk Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-448 Tambov Project 671RTMK 1992 reserve
    And the decision about scrapping is made habitually at the time of the decommission, now only would be the signature of a contract for scrapping in the case of 4 of the 6.
    Eehnie explained very well the meaning of reduction of the fleet.
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2 (Lazarev and Tambov)?
    Lazarev has not replacement at least until the commission of the first Lider. Tambov is recent.
    Your two comments have been a disaster.


    Give source for Victor iii class in active service to see who is disaster.
    Tell me also when you last saw Lazarev in active service, unless you consider painting in drydock as ship in active service.

    It is madness how you are constantly insisting on things that don't happen
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    Post  Truck Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:32 am

    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  There are 2 active and 1 reserve:
    SSN B-138 Obninsk Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-448 Tambov Project 671RTMK 1992 reserve
    And the decision about scrapping is made habitually at the time of the decommission, now only would be the signature of a contract for scrapping in the case of 4 of the 6.
    Eehnie explained very well the meaning of reduction of the fleet.
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2 (Lazarev and Tambov)?
    Lazarev has not replacement at least until the commission of the first Lider. Tambov is recent.
    Your two comments have been a disaster.


    Give source for Victor iii class in active service to see who is disaster.
    Tell me also when you last saw Lazarev in active service, unless you consider painting in drydock as ship in active service.

    It is madness how you are constantly insisting on things that don't happen
    Give source for the contrary. Give source for the decommission of B-138 Obninsk and B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy.
    It never happened. Disaster because you have been unable of reproducing right the past and of recognizing your mistakes. Do you think only Eehnie would catch your mistakes?
    Lazarev and Tambov can be modernized, and should be, at their turn.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:46 am

    Please stop repeat quoting lots of posts in your replies... it is against the rules because it is just a waste of space...

    Edit:

    BTW the Russian Navy has a few problems, but not like the Norwaywegian Navy... https://sputniknews.com/military/201904241074410203-norway-frigate-losses/
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    Post  George1 Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:28 pm

    Truck wrote:
    Give source for the contrary. Give source for the decommission of B-138 Obninsk and B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy.
    do you know how many years these 2 ships are in reserve?

    Truck wrote:.
    Disaster because you have been unable of reproducing right the past and of recognizing your mistakes. Do you think only Eehnie would catch your mistakes?

    Υes i forgot how many users have put him in their ignore list.. Because he was accurate when he was saying from 2015 that Russia will build aircraft carriers in this State armaments program...And you see now that we are in mid of 2019 how accurate he was..and how many times he has recognized all these fantasies he says

    Truck wrote:
    Lazarev and Tambov can be modernized, and should be, at their turn.
    and who said that "CAN BE"? You? You know better than Ministry of Defence?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:06 pm

    Both the Obninsk, Tambov and the Moskovskiy.

    are still in the fleet however they long since stopped trying to modernize them citing "Due to the exhaustion of the modernization potential of the project".

    They will all be retired by 2025, Russia hardly uses them anymore has is.


    Has for Lazarov, this topic is getting old. They have said OVER AND OVER they are not modernizing it the only ones are Peter the great and Naki, GET OVER IT. IT'S NOT HAPPENING.



    Tambov "could be" modernized only if they poured a huge sum of money with work that would carry on for years and years since they would need to rip the entire thing up to replace everything. For a submarine that would be subpar and with a short life span.

    The Russians looked at this and decided the sheer cost and time verse what it offered was in NO WAY worth it.

    You guys need to move on from those relics, get new and better subs stop trying to keep crappy ones alive.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:21 pm

    Gazputin wrote:yeah read that …
    Ivan Gren … was designed by a committee … its a crazy design … but I get why the big crane was in the middle of the ship re stability
    question is …. why do you need the crane anyway ? …. primitive ports etc ?? nfi

    which was designed in late 80s right? then it wasn't bad at all.  

    GP wrote:anyway they are made at Yantar
    so I looked up their website and they can make ships up to 150-160 m long and 25-26m wide … max

    УДК "Прибой" - характеристики:

    Водоизмещение - около 14000 т
    Длина - 165 м
    Ширина - 25 м
    Осадка - 5 м

    which is pretty close to Priboy proposed size...




    LMFS wrote:
    Is strange to talk about an 'helicopter carrier' because of several reasons:

    - First, a newer vessel of a newer class (and more in the size of a LHD) would need many years to be approved developed and built. 2024 is simply too close and we have heard nothing until now about concrete building plans for helo carriers

    Priboy was mentioned in 2015 for the first time ?


    LMFS wrote:
    - Turning Ivan Gren into a LHD? Sorry? What would be used of the original ship? It makes no sense to do this, the deck would be different, the size too, the bay would be completely different due to hangars and completely different layout of the superstructure. In fact, the Gren is an old vessel with an unimpressive hull that has already been put down for not so good sea-keeping They have just patented a newer hull type which would be ideal for a LHD

    Tu-22M was developed from Tu-22 right?  lol1  lol1  lol1


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:44 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The Russians looked at this and decided the sheer cost and time verse what it offered was in NO WAY worth it.

    You guys need to move on from those relics, get new and better subs stop trying to keep crappy ones alive.



    The decision about scrapping 5 large nuclear powered ships is is logical and an good one. Why to keep old extremely expensive and non unified ships if with same or smaller amount of resources you can build better, newer ships?


    PtG modernization was from 30-50Bns Rub + 4 years. In 2012. So it might be even higher. Lider shall cost ~100Bns Rubles and 6-7 years to build?
    Sme with subs better to build more Huskies Laikas then moderinze old subs

    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:08 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The Russians looked at this and decided the sheer cost and time verse what it offered was in NO WAY worth it.

    You guys need to move on from those relics, get new and better subs stop trying to keep crappy ones alive.



    The decision about scrapping 5 large nuclear powered ships is is logical and an good one. Why to keep old extremely expensive and non unified ships if with same or smaller amount of resources you can build better, newer ships?


    PtG modernization was from 30-50Bns Rub + 4 years. In 2012. So it might be even higher.  Lider shall cost ~100Bns Rubles and 6-7 years to build?
    Sme with subs better to build more Huskies Laikas then moderinze old subs

    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont

    Oh the Naki modernization so far is way more then what they said the original cost is at this point it may be just as expensive for them to build a lider, but you know they need the ships now so hey.

    The Subs, I can see a few of the Akula's sure, heck I can even see the logic for the Oscar's but the Sierra's no, even the guys who operate those subs said there is no point. I don't see why people on here argue about keeping them in service.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:25 pm


    Akulas, Oscars and Deltas that are currently in use will get to serve out their remaining time, everything else gets the scrapper

    They have been more then clear about it

    Two Kirovs are DEFINITELY getting scrapped, only person still in denial about it eehenie Truck
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    Post  Gazputin Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:38 am

    Kirov cruisers will be replaced by SSGNs … submersible guided missile "cruisers" as the Russians call them …
    … as usual with Russians … total pragmatists
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:59 am

    Then why keep 2 of them still? They could mothball/sell them & build 2-3 more SSGNs instead! U need to have the right tool for the job!
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:14 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Then why keep 2 of them still? They could mothball/sell them & build 2-3 more SSGNs instead! U need to have the right tool for the job!

    Because those 2 are in decent condition and scraping them would be wasteful

    Other 2 are in disastrous condition and spending time and money on them would be wasteful


    It's always about same two things: time and money



    And who the hell could they sell them to?


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