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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:34 pm

    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:35 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia to build 1st helicopter carrier based on Ivan Gren warship by 2024

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1054156

    Suspect Suspect Suspect

    It seems quite strange, it may be a mistake by TASS

    Why? Because of the based on Ivan Green?

    The first Russian expeditionary ship built in 2024

    MOSCOW, Apr 17 - RIA News. The first Russian expeditionary ship will be redesigned and built in 2024, President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexey Rakhmanov told reporters on Wednesday.
    “We are in a hurry, we want to finish it in 2024, but this is a difficult story. He will have to be redesigned,” he said, answering a journalist’s question.

    Later, Rakhmanov explained that a promising expedition vessel would be created on the basis of a large landing ship of the type "Ivan Gren".

    https://ria.ru/20190417/1552779624.html

    As I interpret it's not a big Iver Green, will be a landing ship so everything is based/related lol1
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    Post  LMFS on Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia to build 1st helicopter carrier based on Ivan Gren warship by 2024

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1054156

    Suspect Suspect Suspect

    It seems quite strange, it may be a mistake by TASS

    Why? Because of the based on Ivan Green?

    The first Russian expeditionary ship built in 2024

    MOSCOW, Apr 17 - RIA News. The first Russian expeditionary ship will be redesigned and built in 2024, President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexey Rakhmanov told reporters on Wednesday.
    “We are in a hurry, we want to finish it in 2024, but this is a difficult story. He will have to be redesigned,” he said, answering a journalist’s question.

    Later, Rakhmanov explained that a promising expedition vessel would be created on the basis of a large landing ship of the type "Ivan Gren".

    https://ria.ru/20190417/1552779624.html

    As I interpret it's not a big Iver Green, will be a landing ship so everything is based/related lol1

    Is strange to talk about an 'helicopter carrier' because of several reasons:

    - First, a newer vessel of a newer class (and more in the size of a LHD) would need many years to be approved developed and built. 2024 is simply too close and we have heard nothing until now about concrete building plans for helo carriers
    - Turning Ivan Gren into a LHD? Sorry? What would be used of the original ship? It makes no sense to do this, the deck would be different, the size too, the bay would be completely different due to hangars and completely different layout of the superstructure. In fact, the Gren is an old vessel with an unimpressive hull that has already been put down for not so good sea-keeping They have just patented a newer hull type which would be ideal for a LHD

    I think they are just referring to the newly ordered Ivan Grens ("expedition vessel") that needed to be modified. Delivery data (2024) seems right (2025 was the limit) and even then they are saying it will be challenging due to the redesign needed. A new helicopter carrier in that time would be quite crazy, maybe they saw expeditionary vessel and thought it was a LHD.
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:20 am

    I think it's an LHD that should be launched in 2024(6 years from now), but the timeframe is fluid, "in the near future" we heard so many times.
    I don't understand the part about transforming Iver Green on a LHD? I didn't mean that.
    Improved Iver Green will still be procured.
    Well that's my 5 cents
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:49 am

    dino00 wrote:I think it's an LHD that should be launched in 2024(6 years from now), but the timeframe is fluid, "in the near future" we heard so many times.
    I don't understand the part about transforming Iver Green on a LHD? I didn't mean that.
    Improved Iver Green will still be procured.
    Well that's my 5 cents

    Maybe you are right and they don't mean construction but laying down, that is a good possibility.

    With transforming the Gren into a LHD I meant to change the design of the Gren class, not the already built vessels! The Mistrals were 21 kT, Lavina 23 kT, Gren is 6.6 kT full displacement. Maybe they go for a very small version as I think I remember being mentioned some years ago around 8 kT. Maybe layout would not be a full flat top like Lavina but maybe roughly using the front superstructure of the Gren and making space at the rear for helos. Would that be the biggest LHDs of VMF, really??

    We will see, but another news seems to point out the same interpretation of the article you posted:

    https://weaponews.com/news/65349835-usc-built-the-first-expedition-ship-for-the-russian-navy-by-2024.html

    They specify an "expeditionary" ship as they understand it combines the helo carrier and the amphibious assault ship.
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    Post  hoom on Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:07 am

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs
    Agree, hopefully people can stop talking about reactivating Lazarev now...

    It seems quite strange, it may be a mistake by TASS
    Yes, it would be weird because IG is only 6600Ton vs LHDs are mostly either around 20Kton or 40KTon, the changes to scale up IG to those sorts of size would leave it pretty hard to call it still based on IG.
    I think they're conflating 'improved IG' with 'new class of LHD' which I believe are two separate programs.
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    Post  Gazputin on Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:16 am

    yeah read that …
    Ivan Gren … was designed by a committee … its a crazy design … but I get why the big crane was in the middle of the ship re stability
    question is …. why do you need the crane anyway ? …. primitive ports etc ?? nfi

    anyway they are made at Yantar
    so I looked up their website and they can make ships up to 150-160 m long and 25-26m wide … max

    so there's no need to speculate - the next multi-function landing ship (which can also be used for non-military humanitarian disaster relief etc)
    will be 150m long and 25m wide ….. and made by Yantar as they have been building up their skills base there re workers
    there's no point building the next ships elsewhere ….

    Ivan Gren …. 120m x 16m
    apparently a spin off of the previous Ropucha of about the same size …

    look further and Yantar made a few Ivan Rogov LHDs … around 150-160m x 24m
    which correspond exactly to the biggest ships Yantar can make ….

    why did they not follow up on the Rogov size ships ? no idea
    me … I'd throw out the Ivan Gren nonsense …
    and go right back to the Rogov …. build the biggest ship they can

    but as you have no front loading ramp … you need a rear well instead
    so shove all the superstructure forward
    stick a big heli deck on the back over your rear well ...
    put a couple of R2D2s on the hangar roof ….
    a couple of those nasty Pantsir things up front ….

    have 3-4 of those Ka-52s onboard with extremely nasty hypersonic long range missiles ….

    you can design the general layout in about 1 hour with a bottle of red wine … Smile

    meanwhile …
    Yantar will keep active (while the new bigger ship is designed) …. via 2 more (weird) Ivan Grens ….
    and your workforce gets bigger with more skills …. your logistics get better
    ( I'd think of the 2 extra Grens as "training ships" for the shipyard workers …)

    The bigger ships surely won't hit the water until 2027-28
    if it takes them 3-4 years to make a few more Grens ….

    2019 +4 +4 = 2027 …..

    meanwhile they'll have a bunch of Grens to go to Syria and back …. good enough for now ….

    the other thing they must be mulling over …. do they make them ice-class too … for the Arctic ?
    I can see why they are doing a few more Ivan Gren's for now …

    would be good to be a fly on the wall listening to that discussion ….









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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:01 pm

    Six Russian nuclear ships will be sent for scrap instead of upgrading
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    Post  Truck on Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:18 am

    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 pm

    Nobody had reliable antitorpedos”

    Chief Designer of the Package-E / NK complex Konstantin Drobot - how Russian ships and submarines become invulnerable

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    https://iz.ru/856422/aleksei-ramm/nadezhnykh-antiporped-ni-u-kogo-ne-bylo
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:26 pm

    George1 wrote:

    The Navy will not lose in its combat power, since the dismantled ships and submarines will be replaced with new ones, military expert Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    This military expert is laughable if he thinks renovating old warships means replacing them with new ones.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:44 pm

    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:47 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    The Navy will not lose in its combat power, since the dismantled ships and submarines will be replaced with new ones, military expert Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia.
    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    This military expert is laughable if he thinks renovating old warships means replacing them with new ones.
    What do u mean? He means those ships & subs will be replaced by new 1s, so the VMF combat power won't decrease.
    But IMO they could offer to sell the CGNs "as is" instead to India or China, $aving on dismantling. They have plenty of years left in them, since 2 of their sister ships r being upgraded & kept in commission. But perhaps the whole point is for some companies to make $ on dismantling & for the VMF to use them for cannibalization.


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    Post  dino00 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:49 pm

    Hope for the series: for the Russian Navy laid a few new ships

    Will the president’s attention help the replenishment of the Russian fleet?
    Ilya Kramnik


    Who exactly will be engaged in its decision - also, apparently, it will soon become clear: rumors about a possible emergency replacement of the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy are not in the depths of the military department for the first week.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:53 pm

    George1 wrote:

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    The original plan was to scrap all of them and have 10 Boreys. I don't see that having changed. Modernising Deltas takes away much needed funding for new construction. If a ship is decommissioned it shouldn't be coming back.

    The Yasen class is prohibitively expensive. If they don't get costs under control they will likely cap it at the four and make something cheaper. That will keep these old attack submarines refurbished in the mean time.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:09 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    What do u mean? He means those ships & subs will be replaced by new 1s, so the VMF combat power won't decrease.
    But IMO they could offer to sell the CGNs "as is" instead to India or China, $aving on dismantling. They have plenty of years left in them, since 2 of their sister ships r being upgraded & kept in commission. But perhaps the whole point is for some companies to make $ on dismantling & for the VMF to use them for cannibalization.

    There are no new cruisers that are replacing Ushakov and Lazarev. He thinks refurbishing the other two are new replacements which is laughable. Losing 3 Deltas to get one Borey is not replacement, it is downsizing. There is a propaganda among the ministries to report that refurbished items count as new, which is the biggest joke of all.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:25 am

    There are no new cruisers that are replacing Ushakov and Lazarev.
    They were in reserve awaiting refits for so long that no1 really missed them, except Russian patriots & VMF fans.
    Perhaps the only way to keep the youngest 2 of them is to get rid of the 2 older 1s, $aving on their refit & maintenance/ops. For the price of 1, they could get 2-3 smaller ships that can be based in any port.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:33 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    There are no new cruisers that are replacing Ushakov and Lazarev.
    They were in reserve awaiting refits for so long that no1 really missed them, except Russian patriots & VMF fans.
    Perhaps the only way to keep the youngest 2 of them is to get rid of the 2 older 1s, $aving on their refit & maintenance/ops.  For the price of 1, they could get 2-3 smaller ships that can be based in any port.

    I wonder how they plan to refurbish the Kirovs, the only dry dock long enough to do it sank with PD-50.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:07 am

    The Nakhimov is going to the Pac. Fleet & could complete its refit in the Zvezda drydock there, or in Crimea's Zaliv, if needed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battlecruiser_Admiral_Nakhimov#Reactivation

    They could also send the Peter the Great there too.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:13 am

    If they want to make 20K ton destroyers then they are going to need a lot of bigger docks to work on them and to build them.

    They will be needing lots of big tankers and LNG carriers too so time to start expanding their handling and production capacity to allow for much bigger vessels.
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    Post  Truck on Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:23 am

    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  There are 2 active and 1 reserve:
    SSN B-138 Obninsk Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-448 Tambov Project 671RTMK 1992 reserve
    And the decision about scrapping is made habitually at the time of the decommission, now only would be the signature of a contract for scrapping in the case of 4 of the 6.
    Eehnie explained very well the meaning of reduction of the fleet.
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2 (Lazarev and Tambov)?
    Lazarev has not replacement at least until the commission of the first Lider. Tambov is recent.
    Your two comments have been a disaster.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:15 am

    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  There are 2 active and 1 reserve:
    SSN B-138 Obninsk Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-448 Tambov Project 671RTMK 1992 reserve
    And the decision about scrapping is made habitually at the time of the decommission, now only would be the signature of a contract for scrapping in the case of 4 of the 6.
    Eehnie explained very well the meaning of reduction of the fleet.
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2 (Lazarev and Tambov)?
    Lazarev has not replacement at least until the commission of the first Lider. Tambov is recent.
    Your two comments have been a disaster.


    Give source for Victor iii class in active service to see who is disaster.
    Tell me also when you last saw Lazarev in active service, unless you consider painting in drydock as ship in active service.

    It is madness how you are constantly insisting on things that don't happen
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    Post  Truck on Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:32 am

    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Truck wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

    Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded


    Aleksey Ramm
    Alexey Kozachenko
    Bogdan Stepovoy

    Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

    From "Kirov" to "Peter"

    "Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

    For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

    Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

    The End of the Black Prince
    Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

    The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

    Full article
    https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

    With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

    all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs


    pwnd There are 2 active Victor III class submarines more.
    Do you know 4 of the 6 mentioned (with strong mistakes) were decommissioned by 2017?
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2?

    is there any plan for modernization of Delta III class subs or there was in the past??? since they are decommissioned the logic says that will be scrapped
    Is there any rule that says if a submarine is decommissioned before 1-2 years, that it will be modernized for sure?

    There is only one Victor III class submarine in service, the K-448 was in reserve for years and now article says that it will not be upgraded. Dont say me now that a class of SSNs with 1 left has any future in Russian Navy since new Yasen class is entering the fleet

    pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  There are 2 active and 1 reserve:
    SSN B-138 Obninsk Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy Project 671RTMK 1990 active
    SSN B-448 Tambov Project 671RTMK 1992 reserve
    And the decision about scrapping is made habitually at the time of the decommission, now only would be the signature of a contract for scrapping in the case of 4 of the 6.
    Eehnie explained very well the meaning of reduction of the fleet.
    Based on what would make sense the decommission of the other 2 (Lazarev and Tambov)?
    Lazarev has not replacement at least until the commission of the first Lider. Tambov is recent.
    Your two comments have been a disaster.


    Give source for Victor iii class in active service to see who is disaster.
    Tell me also when you last saw Lazarev in active service, unless you consider painting in drydock as ship in active service.

    It is madness how you are constantly insisting on things that don't happen
    Give source for the contrary. Give source for the decommission of B-138 Obninsk and B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy.
    It never happened. Disaster because you have been unable of reproducing right the past and of recognizing your mistakes. Do you think only Eehnie would catch your mistakes?
    Lazarev and Tambov can be modernized, and should be, at their turn.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:46 am

    Please stop repeat quoting lots of posts in your replies... it is against the rules because it is just a waste of space...

    Edit:

    BTW the Russian Navy has a few problems, but not like the Norwaywegian Navy... https://sputniknews.com/military/201904241074410203-norway-frigate-losses/
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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:28 pm

    Truck wrote:
    Give source for the contrary. Give source for the decommission of B-138 Obninsk and B-414 Daniil Moskovskiy.
    do you know how many years these 2 ships are in reserve?

    Truck wrote:.
    Disaster because you have been unable of reproducing right the past and of recognizing your mistakes. Do you think only Eehnie would catch your mistakes?

    Υes i forgot how many users have put him in their ignore list.. Because he was accurate when he was saying from 2015 that Russia will build aircraft carriers in this State armaments program...And you see now that we are in mid of 2019 how accurate he was..and how many times he has recognized all these fantasies he says

    Truck wrote:
    Lazarev and Tambov can be modernized, and should be, at their turn.
    and who said that "CAN BE"? You? You know better than Ministry of Defence?

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