Russian Navy: Status & News #4

Russian, as it's easier for Chinese to learn it than for Russians to learn Chinese. They probably have liaison translators as well.

Probably not english, as indicated. Chinese are good speakers of foreign languages. Older generations or people who live near Russian border can speak Russian, so this could be it. Russian grammar can be more complicated than Chinese, but the language generally is much much much easier to learn than some other Slavic languages.

Some more details regarding the exercises.

Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie told the Global Times that it is very possible the drills will be held right after the parade...Li expects five to six [Rusian] naval vessels to participate in the joint exercises, and at least two in the Chinese parade.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1143872.shtml

GarryB wrote:

Specially for this day, Russian harbour defence

Not a Russian or Soviet gun turret... looks more Italian...

it should look Italian because it is  Italian  an old model of Oto Melara 76mm

Varshavyanka-class subs for Russia’s Pacific Fleet to get advanced equipment



MOSCOW, April 1. /TASS/. A series of six Project 636.3 Varshavyanka-class diesel-electric submarines under construction for Russia’s Pacific Fleet will get improved radio-technical equipment and life support systems, Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Korolyov said at a working meeting in the Admiralty on Monday.

"A series of Project 636.3 submarines for the Pacific Fleet will operate more advanced life support and radio-technical systems," the Defense Ministry quoted the Navy chief as saying.
This has been achieved thanks to the Navy Main Command’s constant and close interaction in the sphere of conventional submarine-building with the United Shipbuilding Corporation, the Rubin Central Design Bureau and the Admiralty Shipyard, Korolyov stressed.

The series of Project 636.3 conventional submarines will be delivered to the Pacific Fleet by 2025. The construction of this series is set to be completed in 2022 while the subs’ trials will take the next three years, the Navy chief said.

The first Project 636.3 submarine Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was floated out for Russia’s Pacific Fleet at the Admiralty Shipyard in St. Petersburg on March 28.

As Admiralty Shipyard CEO Alexander Buzakov said earlier, all the Project 636.3 submarines will be built by 2022.

The Project 636.3 (‘Varshavyanka’) is referred to the third generation of diesel-electric submarines. The submarines of this type have been designed by the Rubin Central Design Bureau. They develop a speed of up to 20 knots, have sea endurance of 45 days and a crew of 52 men. They can dive to a depth of about 300 meters. The submarines of this class displace over 2,000 tonnes in their surface position and about 4,000 tonnes under the water. Varshavyanka-class subs are armed with Kalibr cruise missiles.

The first series of six submarines for the Black Sea Fleet was under construction from 2010 to 2016. The first two subs for the Pacific Fleet have been named the Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and the Volkhov.

Project 636 submarines are considered to be the most noiseless among Russian conventional subs. They have been dubbed the ‘Black Hole’ for their unique quietness. They are also furnished with modern radar and communications systems, sonars and 533mm torpedoes.

Very Good Read

From "Varshavyanka" to "Kalina": which non-nuclear submarines will increase the combat power of the Russian Navy

https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/617555-novye-podlodki-neatomnyi-flot

There were two thematic issues on the agenda.

The first concerned the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov Fleet".

The Minister of Defense recalled that in April last year, the Ministry of Defense concluded a state contract with the Zvezdochka Center for the repair of technical readiness and modernization of the ship.

At the moment, work is carried out in accordance with the master plan schedule.

Technical readiness of the cruiser is 25%.

Its repair and modernization is expected to be completed by the end of 2020.

Sergei Shoigu proposed to discuss the course of work on the ship.

The second issue was related to equipping military facilities with technical security equipment.

The Minister of Defense noted that they are currently installed on more than 16,000 objects.

By early next year, their number will reach 17,000.

“Complexes of technical means allow ensuring the security and anti-terrorist protection of military units, as well as create conditions for reducing the separation of personnel from combat training,” said Sergey Shoigu.

The participants of the selector examined how the equipment is being equipped with modern security systems.

Next, the Minister of Defense drew attention to a number of upcoming significant events.

On April 23, ships of the far sea zone will be laid –– two frigates of project 22350 at the shipyard “Severnaya Verf” in St. Petersburg and two large landing ships of the project 11711 at the shipyard “Yantar” in Kaliningrad.

At the same time, the Northern Shipyard will dock large blocks of the corvette of the project 20386.

It will receive its name in honor of the military brig of the Russian fleet “Mercury”, whose feat in May will be 190 years old.

In the Russian-Turkish war, he defeated two enemy battleships of superior size and weaponry.

The Minister of Defense expressed confidence that the revival of the name of the heroic brig will serve to preserve the glorious pages of the history of the Navy.

“These ships are planned to be added to the Navy until 2025. They will significantly strengthen the ship's shock groups of the far sea zone, ”said Sergey Shoigu.

From the side of bmpd, we point out that, according to rumors circulating on the web resource forums.airbase.ru, two new frigates of the project 22350 will be named "Admiral Amelko" and "Admiral Chichagov."

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3603133.html

Krylov Center patented the hull of a warship with high rates of propulsion

It has the contours providing the minimum hydrodynamic resistance

SAINT-PETERSBURG, April 11. / Tass /. The hull of a surface warfare ship with high rates of propulsion was developed, tested and patented by experts of the Krylov State Research Center.

“Scientists and specialists of the military shipbuilding department of our center have created a unique hull of a surface combat ship of the ocean zone. This hull has contours providing minimal hydrodynamic resistance and high speed of the ship,” said Valery Polyakov, advisor to the center’s general director.

"The correctness of the choice of the hull shape of the hull, reducing the resistance to movement of the ship by 25-30%, has been tested in the center's experimental basin during numerous tests of models and patented," he added.

According to the representative of the center, the innovative corps of the combat ship provides a real opportunity to accommodate a greater number of universal vertical launchers, up to 150-200% of the standard ammunition for ships in the far sea and ocean zones, anti-ship, anti-submarine and anti-ship weapons.

"Today, the US Navy and the leading Western countries have no analogs of such a hull, which allows the Russian Navy to build highly efficient warships in the ocean zone, superior to all modern and future surface ships of foreign fleets in their characteristics and composition" - stressed Polyakov.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6323667

Amazing! That level of improvement of the hull's efficiency is in line with what they claimed for the multihull carrier. The increased internal volume would of course allow to increase the weapons load without increasing the displacement or the drag. Should be implemented already with 22350M if possible

The largest ever - today's sea denial exercises of the Northern fleet. Is Barents bastion expanding into the Norwegian sea?! More:

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/04/russia-demonstrated-complex-live-fire-bastion-defense-exercise-outside-norway#.XK9aqyAtCOM.twitter

Thai frigates Nareusan and Bangkong visited Vladivostok today.

Russia to build 1st helicopter carrier based on Ivan Gren warship by 2024

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1054156

verkhoturye51 wrote:Thai frigates Nareusan and Bangkong visited Vladivostok today.

The antenna on the research ship on the right is huge when compared to the thai frigate next to it.

If they could use it horizontaly and powered by the nuclear reactor at 10 or 15 MW like an engagement radar maybe it could just burn f-35 from 200km away.

Isn't it a kirov modified class with nuclear engines ?

An antenna is an antenna. You can use this one for radar application too or as a directed energy weapon antenna for my idea.

dino00 wrote:Russia to build 1st helicopter carrier based on Ivan Gren warship by 2024

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1054156

It seems quite strange, it may be a mistake by TASS

Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded

Aleksey Ramm
Alexey Kozachenko
Bogdan Stepovoy

Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

From "Kirov" to "Peter"

"Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

The End of the Black Prince
Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

Full article
https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

dino00 wrote:Cruiser Sonata: atomic fleet sent for scrap

Six legendary ships and submarines will be scrapped instead of upgraded

Aleksey Ramm
Alexey Kozachenko
Bogdan Stepovoy

Several sources in the military department told Izvestia about an unexpected decision. Recycling plan to complete before the end of 2021. The most sensational will be the destruction of two heavy nuclear missile cruisers "Admiral Ushakov" and "Admiral Lazarev" project 1144 "Orlan". In addition to them, four nuclear submarines will be cut into scrap: K-448 “Daniel of Moscow”, K-221 “Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky”, K-433 “St. George the Victorious” and K-232 “Podolsk”, a source in the Main Command of the Navy said. Disposal will cost 2.7 billion rubles.

From "Kirov" to "Peter"

"Eagle" - the legend of the Navy. They are considered the largest in the world after aircraft carriers. These are the only ships in the Russian fleet with a nuclear power plant. Their range is almost unlimited. Cruisers can operate in harsh climatic conditions, including in the Arctic region.

For the Navy of the USSR and Russia, four nuclear-powered cruisers of the Orlan type were built: Admiral Ushakov (originally, Kirov), Admiral Lazarev, Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. The series was built for a long time - from 1973 to 1996. Three ships strengthened the Northern Fleet, and the latter, the Admiral Lazarev, hit the Pacific. Now only one ship of this project is listed in the ranks - Peter the Great.

Projects on re-equipment of the Orlans have been discussed for a long time, but the money was allocated only under the state program of armaments for 2011–2020.

The End of the Black Prince
Three submarines of the Kalmar 667 BDR, a strategic missile submarine cruiser carrying 16 R-29R intercontinental liquid-propellant rockets and torpedoes, will be allowed into recycling. For many years the boats were the basis of the marine component of the country's nuclear triad. Light body "Squid" has a characteristic hump behind the fence of the cabin, closing the rocket mines, exceeding in its dimensions durable body. The fleet will remain two project submarines - K-44 Ryazan and BS-129 Orenburg.

The K-448 “Daniil Moskovsky” submarine of Project 671 “Pike” was the main multipurpose submarine of the Navy in the 1980–1990s with torpedo armament. In the fleet of the project boat were considered successful for their quietness, performance characteristics and reliability - for all the time of operation they have not had a single accident. In the NATO countries, nuclear-powered icebreakers have been nicknamed the “Black Prince” for their elegant hull lines.

Full article
https://iz.ru/868993/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/kreiserova-sonata-atomnyi-flot-otpraviat-v-util

With all this recent news about the Navy it looks like they made up their minds about what they want.

all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs

LMFS wrote:

dino00 wrote:Russia to build 1st helicopter carrier based on Ivan Gren warship by 2024

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1054156

It seems quite strange, it may be a mistake by TASS

Why? Because of the based on Ivan Green?

The first Russian expeditionary ship built in 2024

MOSCOW, Apr 17 - RIA News. The first Russian expeditionary ship will be redesigned and built in 2024, President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexey Rakhmanov told reporters on Wednesday.
“We are in a hurry, we want to finish it in 2024, but this is a difficult story. He will have to be redesigned,” he said, answering a journalist’s question.

Later, Rakhmanov explained that a promising expedition vessel would be created on the basis of a large landing ship of the type "Ivan Gren".

https://ria.ru/20190417/1552779624.html

As I interpret it's not a big Iver Green, will be a landing ship so everything is based/related

dino00 wrote:

LMFS wrote:

dino00 wrote:Russia to build 1st helicopter carrier based on Ivan Gren warship by 2024

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1054156

It seems quite strange, it may be a mistake by TASS

Why? Because of the based on Ivan Green?

The first Russian expeditionary ship built in 2024

MOSCOW, Apr 17 - RIA News. The first Russian expeditionary ship will be redesigned and built in 2024, President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexey Rakhmanov told reporters on Wednesday.
“We are in a hurry, we want to finish it in 2024, but this is a difficult story. He will have to be redesigned,” he said, answering a journalist’s question.

Later, Rakhmanov explained that a promising expedition vessel would be created on the basis of a large landing ship of the type "Ivan Gren".

https://ria.ru/20190417/1552779624.html

As I interpret it's not a big Iver Green, will be a landing ship so everything is based/related

Is strange to talk about an 'helicopter carrier' because of several reasons:

- First, a newer vessel of a newer class (and more in the size of a LHD) would need many years to be approved developed and built. 2024 is simply too close and we have heard nothing until now about concrete building plans for helo carriers
- Turning Ivan Gren into a LHD? Sorry? What would be used of the original ship? It makes no sense to do this, the deck would be different, the size too, the bay would be completely different due to hangars and completely different layout of the superstructure. In fact, the Gren is an old vessel with an unimpressive hull that has already been put down for not so good sea-keeping They have just patented a newer hull type which would be ideal for a LHD

I think they are just referring to the newly ordered Ivan Grens ("expedition vessel") that needed to be modified. Delivery data (2024) seems right (2025 was the limit) and even then they are saying it will be challenging due to the redesign needed. A new helicopter carrier in that time would be quite crazy, maybe they saw expeditionary vessel and thought it was a LHD.

I think it's an LHD that should be launched in 2024(6 years from now), but the timeframe is fluid, "in the near future" we heard so many times.
I don't understand the part about transforming Iver Green on a LHD? I didn't mean that.
Improved Iver Green will still be procured.
Well that's my 5 cents

dino00 wrote:I think it's an LHD that should be launched in 2024(6 years from now), but the timeframe is fluid, "in the near future" we heard so many times.
I don't understand the part about transforming Iver Green on a LHD? I didn't mean that.
Improved Iver Green will still be procured.
Well that's my 5 cents

Maybe you are right and they don't mean construction but laying down, that is a good possibility.

With transforming the Gren into a LHD I meant to change the design of the Gren class, not the already built vessels! The Mistrals were 21 kT, Lavina 23 kT, Gren is 6.6 kT full displacement. Maybe they go for a very small version as I think I remember being mentioned some years ago around 8 kT. Maybe layout would not be a full flat top like Lavina but maybe roughly using the front superstructure of the Gren and making space at the rear for helos. Would that be the biggest LHDs of VMF, really??

We will see, but another news seems to point out the same interpretation of the article you posted:

https://weaponews.com/news/65349835-usc-built-the-first-expedition-ship-for-the-russian-navy-by-2024.html

They specify an "expeditionary" ship as they understand it combines the helo carrier and the amphibious assault ship.

all logic decisions for 2 inactive Kirov class cruisers, the one left Victor III class sub and 3 Delta III SSBNs

Agree, hopefully people can stop talking about reactivating Lazarev now...

It seems quite strange, it may be a mistake by TASS

Yes, it would be weird because IG is only 6600Ton vs LHDs are mostly either around 20Kton or 40KTon, the changes to scale up IG to those sorts of size would leave it pretty hard to call it still based on IG.
I think they're conflating 'improved IG' with 'new class of LHD' which I believe are two separate programs.

yeah read that …
Ivan Gren … was designed by a committee … its a crazy design … but I get why the big crane was in the middle of the ship re stability
question is …. why do you need the crane anyway ? …. primitive ports etc ?? nfi

anyway they are made at Yantar
so I looked up their website and they can make ships up to 150-160 m long and 25-26m wide … max

so there's no need to speculate - the next multi-function landing ship (which can also be used for non-military humanitarian disaster relief etc)
will be 150m long and 25m wide ….. and made by Yantar as they have been building up their skills base there re workers
there's no point building the next ships elsewhere ….

Ivan Gren …. 120m x 16m
apparently a spin off of the previous Ropucha of about the same size …

look further and Yantar made a few Ivan Rogov LHDs … around 150-160m x 24m
which correspond exactly to the biggest ships Yantar can make ….

why did they not follow up on the Rogov size ships ? no idea
me … I'd throw out the Ivan Gren nonsense …
and go right back to the Rogov …. build the biggest ship they can

but as you have no front loading ramp … you need a rear well instead
so shove all the superstructure forward
stick a big heli deck on the back over your rear well ...
put a couple of R2D2s on the hangar roof ….
a couple of those nasty Pantsir things up front ….

have 3-4 of those Ka-52s onboard with extremely nasty hypersonic long range missiles ….

you can design the general layout in about 1 hour with a bottle of red wine …

meanwhile …
Yantar will keep active (while the new bigger ship is designed) …. via 2 more (weird) Ivan Grens ….
and your workforce gets bigger with more skills …. your logistics get better
( I'd think of the 2 extra Grens as "training ships" for the shipyard workers …)

The bigger ships surely won't hit the water until 2027-28
if it takes them 3-4 years to make a few more Grens ….

2019 +4 +4 = 2027 …..

meanwhile they'll have a bunch of Grens to go to Syria and back …. good enough for now ….

the other thing they must be mulling over …. do they make them ice-class too … for the Arctic ?
I can see why they are doing a few more Ivan Gren's for now …

would be good to be a fly on the wall listening to that discussion ….